Another Tory secret?

[Topaz]

The Tory that ran against Liberal MP Coulter, is working for the Tories in his riding and there's indication that he's is being paid for this job, perhaps by taxpayers money. Anytime, Harper is in Montreal he meets with the "shadow MP" and Coulter has asked and reporters have asked what your job and how much are you making and he never answers. Could this guy be Pierre Poutine?? http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/the-shadow-mp-his-salary-and-his-pub-stop-with-pm-harper-143776096.html

[MACKER]

The Tory that ran against Liberal MP Coulter, is working for the Tories in his riding and there's indication that he's is being paid for this job, perhaps by taxpayers money. Anytime, Harper is in Montreal he meets with the "shadow MP" and Coulter has asked and reporters have asked what your job and how much are you making and he never answers. Could this guy be Pierre Poutine?? http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/the-shadow-mp-his-salary-and-his-pub-stop-with-pm-harper-143776096.html

If you asked the Schutzstaffel, what is your job? Do you think they would reply we hunt down opposition to the government and remove it so we can have a powerful unified party ehum rather Nation. Yesssss.

NO, they would say Nein!

Thereafter you would get a free train ticket to Disney World, all expenses paid.

Clearly Zajdel may not have his job much longer.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-shadow-mp-his-salary-and-his-pub-stop-with-harper/article2377638/?from=sec368

Edited March 22, 2012 by MACKER

[cybercoma]

Tory Secret sounds like an underwear fashion line.

[cybercoma]

It's Irwin Cotler, not Coulter.

Since the Speaker of the House proved he has absolutely no credibility on this issue, it is the obligation of the media to investigate this further and blow the roof off this thing. Running a Shadow MP in a riding is a major affront to democracy and must not be tolerated by any governing party. Our MPs are our representatives and if the governing parties begin ignoring our representatives and installing their own people in ridings, you might as well kiss our democratic institutions goodbye. Adscam was appalling, but this is beyond appalling. This shows the complete and utter disdain the Conservatives have for democracy and ought to be broadly denounced by MPs across the board and the media. If it's the Conservatives doing it today and it's acceptable, it could be the Liberals doing it tomorrow, or the NDP if they ever form government. This must not be tolerated.

[Smallc]

Since the Speaker of the House proved he has absolutely no credibility on this issue,

Because he reminded members of the rules of Question Period? Really? For doing his job?

[cybercoma]

Because he reminded members of the rules of Question Period? Really? For doing his job?

I'm talking about his decision on the matter of Irwin Cotler, not the voter-suppression scandal.

[Smallc]

I'm talking about his decision on the matter of Irwin Cotler, not the voter-suppression scandal.

It wasn't really a House issue.

[cybercoma]

It wasn't really a House issue.

What are you talking about?

It was a question of parliamentary privilege. It's the Speaker's job to rule on these things.

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives did not breach the parliamentary privileges of Liberal MP Irwin Cotler by organizing a telephone polling campaign in his Montreal riding which spread erroneous reports about his resignation, according to the Speaker of the House of Commons.

The ruling by Andrew Scheer came Tuesday after the daily Question Period in Parliament. Mr. Scheer ruled that the Tories’ polling campaign in Mr. Cotler’s riding, though “questionable” and “reprehensible,” did not impair his ability to do his job as an MP.

Full article: http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/13/tory-calls-didnt-breach-liberal-mp-irwin-cotlers-parliamentary-privileges-speaker-rules/

So their tactics were "reprehensible," but it was a-OK. The problem with Scheer's ruling was that he apparently didn't consider the fact the failed candidate has been acting as a Shadow MP, meeting with constituents, setting up deals, and procuring funding for the constituency from the federal government. All of these things go beyond the misleading robocalling that was going on in the riding.

Odd isn't it? How once again shady politics is tied to robocalling and the Conservative camp.

[PIK]

Here we go again, make up some mare scandals, like I said before nobody can scandal like a liberal.

[j44]

Tory Secret sounds like an underwear fashion line.

Or a porn star name. Tory Secret stars in Robocalls in her District.

[WWWTT]

It's Irwin Cotler, not Coulter.

Since the Speaker of the House proved he has absolutely no credibility on this issue, it is the obligation of the media to investigate this further and blow the roof off this thing. Running a Shadow MP in a riding is a major affront to democracy and must not be tolerated by any governing party. Our MPs are our representatives and if the governing parties begin ignoring our representatives and installing their own people in ridings, you might as well kiss our democratic institutions goodbye. Adscam was appalling, but this is beyond appalling. This shows the complete and utter disdain the Conservatives have for democracy and ought to be broadly denounced by MPs across the board and the media. If it's the Conservatives doing it today and it's acceptable, it could be the Liberals doing it tomorrow, or the NDP if they ever form government. This must not be tolerated.

Not only that it could be constitutionaly illegal!Aswell it could be defined as an act of treason which is a capital offence that warranted the use of the death penalty!

WWWTT

[Shakeyhands]

Or a porn star name. Tory Secret stars in Robocalls in her District.

Hahaha... Oh My!!!

[g_bambino]

Not only that it could be constitutionaly illegal!Aswell it could be defined as an act of treason which is a capital offence that warranted the use of the death penalty!

What?

[g_bambino]

Our MPs are our representatives and if the governing parties begin ignoring our representatives and installing their own people in ridings, you might as well kiss our democratic institutions goodbye.

How so? The elected MP is still there in parliament, still representing his constituency and, if he's in Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, holding the government to account. How can this "shadow MP" be considered as anything different to a Conservative-friendly individual in any riding?

[stopstaaron]

Cotler should take his fists to Zajdels big ass head

[stopstaaron]

How can this "shadow MP" be considered as anything different to a Conservative-friendly individual in any riding?

Because he's getting paid on a government salary for going around and giving his "personal opinion". Do conservative friendly individuals go to functions and just give their "personal opinions" and get PAID to do it by the government? I'm a thinking NO.

You can't defend the man Bambino. Pick your fights, this is not one of them.

Edited March 22, 2012 by stopstaaron

[cybercoma]

How so? The elected MP is still there in parliament, still representing his constituency and, if he's in Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, holding the government to account. How can this "shadow MP" be considered as anything different to a Conservative-friendly individual in any riding?

So I'm a constituent, right? I go to the actually MP for my concerns, but he can't do a damn thing because the governing party has their own representative in the riding making contacts, doling out funding, and basically doing all the other jobs the MP is supposed to be doing. It undermines the position of the true MP and I wouldn't even be bothered contacting him with my concerns. It undermines democracy because the governing party is saying, "Dear constituents, We don't give a shit who you elected."

[jacee]

"Dear constituents, We don't give a shit who you elected ."

Well said cybercoma.

[madmax]

Here we go again, make up some mare scandals, like I said before nobody can scandal like a liberal.

And you are sounding like one...

Its pretty clear to me there is no difference between bad liberal governance and bad conservative governance...

well maybe a budget surplus vs budget deficit..

But still seeing how quickly the Cons have lost their way... its almost since the day they got elected, they started heading down that Mulroney path..

[g_bambino]

So I'm a constituent, right? I go to the actually MP for my concerns, but he can't do a damn thing because the governing party has their own representative in the riding making contacts, doling out funding, and basically doing all the other jobs the MP is supposed to be doing. It undermines the position of the true MP and I wouldn't even be bothered contacting him with my concerns.

But any influential person in a community who's a known Conservative supporter could play the same part (and neither can or could do all the same things an MP can).

I didn't realise, however, that this particular individual is paid by the Conservatives to do it.

[ed.: +]

Edited March 23, 2012 by g_bambino

[cybercoma]

bambino, it's a combination of things. You're right. Any Conservative supporter could make contacts and in some ways do these things.

However, the problem here is the combination of the misleading robocalls, the paycheck he's getting from the government, and the fact that he actually is the one to dole out federal financing to the constituency, rather than the actual MP.

[Vendetta]

bambino, it's a combination of things. You're right. Any Conservative supporter could make contacts and in some ways do these things.

However, the problem here is the combination of the misleading robocalls, the paycheck he's getting from the government, and the fact that he actually is the one to dole out federal financing to the constituency, rather than the actual MP.

Treason! Please send these neanderthals back to their caves!

[MACKER]

Here we go again, make up some mare scandals, like I said before nobody can scandal like a liberal.

Yeah, I'm sure Mr. Harper would love someone masquarading as the MP for Calgary West and saying he has resigned, they might actually start to think someone is representing them.

Or rather SouthWest... wasn't he able to win Calgary west? Does this explain his actions with America?

Hey all lets all be shadow MP's .. and make our own house of Commons, real work may get done, reasonable laws,.. ok what seat do you want?

Wow and get paid for it by the federal government...

the main issue was that the shadow MP was being paid with public funds to do that, and had a profolio that was public sector and he was using that as part of his campaign *culture and heritage*.. really illegal to do, like tony clement G20 funds for border security in the middle of ontario illegal. .. my gosh if I call up and launch a robo campagin saying Harper is resigning or any other member there would be hell to pay.. it is criminal.

Technically the government should not be allowed to hire former partisan candiates especially card holders/current members for non partisan positions, it is a conflict of interest to do so.

They should be declared as political staff/aides

Wielding influence is illegal. It is a form of corruption.

"No country is entirely free of corruption. But if corruption is deep enough it can hinder economic growth and good governance, and decay the fabric of society. Corruption is an obstacle to sustainable development, with the potential to enlarge economic gaps and breed organized crime. Unchecked corruption leaves little room for democracy to flourish; little room for freedom to expand; little room for justice to prevail." - Message from the government of Canada.

"No Canada is entirely free of the Conservative Party. But if the Conservative Party is deep enough it can hinder economic growth and good governance, and decay the fabric of society. The Conservative Party is an obstacle to sustainable development, with the potential to enlarge economic gaps and breed organized crime. Unchecked the Conservative Parrty leaves little room for democracy to flourish; little room for freedom to expand; little room for justice to prevail."

Edited March 24, 2012 by MACKER