Topaz Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Now, one think the Tories by the ads, the Tories are not sure of themselves in the next election so they have come out with these ads. The surprise is its NOT against the NDP but Rae. All the mistakes he made like the deficit he ran, BUT wait, the Feds have that same problem and of course, they take his own words out of context. Rae has said many times, he did some things wrong during the recession. That one thing Rae has over Harper, Rae will admit mistakes, Harper believes he doesn't, he blame others. The question is why are they coming out with these ads? Is it to switch the public's focus on the robocalls or does Harper like to sit back and watch the ads and say "Damn I'm good" somebody pat me on the back! http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/conservatives-release-election-style-ads-181100639.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 The question is why are they coming out with these ads? For one thing, they can afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 For one thing, they can afford it. no - in the face of the cascading RoboCon pressures and a building attention/focus on the Conservative national campaign, it's simply Harper Conservatives trying to change the channel. Nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I love the squeal of stuck pigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 They constantly run ads against the other parties. It's ridiculous and needs to stop. Campaign ads should only be run from the time an election is called until the day before an eletion. I don't need to be bombarded with any party's propaganda at any other time of the election cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 They constantly run ads against the other parties. It's ridiculous and needs to stop. Campaign ads should only be run from the time an election is called until the day before an eletion. I don't need to be bombarded with any party's propaganda at any other time of the election cycle. Complete nonsense. I realize that you're not a big fan of free speech, but limiting the amount of time one gets to criticize people in power is exactly the opposite of what should be done. If I want to pay for an ad, criticizing the actions or policies of a particular government or party, I have, and should always have that right. Move to the Soviet Union if you don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLDB Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 They constantly run ads against the other parties. It's ridiculous and needs to stop. Campaign ads should only be run from the time an election is called until the day before an eletion. I don't need to be bombarded with any party's propaganda at any other time of the election cycle. Agreed. And any adds run attacking another candidate should be accurate. This add makes it seem as though Rae will make a run for the permanent leadership then lead the party into the 2015 election. He may or may not. This add doesnt acknowledge that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I love the squeal of stuck pigs. Even the Liberals admit it's a question of who has the most money to wage political war. But this time the Liberals say they will fight back and will use the ad to both raise money and to appeal to voters who go to the polls Monday in a by-election in Jack Layton’s former riding of Toronto-Danforth.“My colleagues at the party will be asking Canadians to contribute financially to our response. The scale of that response will depend on how generous Canadians will be in our appeal to fight back,” Rae spokesman Daniel Lauzon said in an e-mail. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/liberals-vow-to-return-fire-after-tories-target-rae-with-attack-ad/article2374022/ Money, money...send money...the big, bad Conservatives are at it again...waahhhh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 These Tories seem to be afflicted with something?? Hmmm? I know what it is!! It's LPCDS!!! Liberal Party of Canada Derangement Syndrome!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Agreed. And any adds run attacking another candidate should be accurate. And who should decide what's accurate? Let me guess, a ministry of truth? We already have libel and slander laws. If something falls within said laws, then there is a process to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLDB Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Complete nonsense. I realize that you're not a big fan of free speech, but limiting the amount of time one gets to criticize people in power is exactly the opposite of what should be done. If I want to pay for an ad, criticizing the actions or policies of a particular government or party, I have, and should always have that right. Sure, but make it accurate or be charged for libel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLDB Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 And who should decide what's accurate? Let me guess, a ministry of truth? The historical record should do. Or available facts. Manipulating voters should be illegal and thats what attack adds do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Sure, but make it accurate or be charged for libel. Who needs accuracy when the completely inaccurate will do in assassinating character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 The historical record should do. Or available facts. Manipulating voters should be illegal and thats what attack adds do. Or RackNine robocalls... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Who needs accuracy when the completely inaccurate will do in assassinating character? As I see it Jack, it's not attacking character. It's attacking an opponent's record in office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UofGPolitico Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 As I see it Jack, it's not attacking character. It's attacking an opponent's record in office. Exactly. Everything in that ad is factual truth, obviously spun to favour the Conservatives, but not many Ontarians who lived during that time would dispute any of those facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Exactly. Everything in that ad is factual truth, obviously spun to favour the Conservatives, but not many Ontarians who lived during that time would dispute any of those facts. Fair enough,but I can't understand why the Tories are going after the 3rd party so strenuously?? Unless they've got the Mulcair/Cullen/Nash character assassination ads in the can already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I don't need to be bombarded with any party's propaganda at any other time of the election cycle. Is there any way we can travel back in time and delete the hundreds of hours on CBC devoted to Saint Jacques Layton worship? I know you would agree that is only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 As I see it Jack, it's not attacking character. It's attacking an opponent's record in office. Stephen Harper's not here for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Is there any way we can travel back in time and delete the hundreds of hours on CBC devoted to Saint Jacques Layton worship? I know you would agree that is only fair. perhaps you could start with Harper's granting a 'state funeral', hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Is there any way we can travel back in time and delete the hundreds of hours on CBC devoted to Saint Jacques Layton worship? Too funny and great point! Saint Jacques sums it up perfectly! ROTFL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Is there any way we can travel back in time and delete the hundreds of hours on CBC devoted to Saint Jacques Layton worship? I know you would agree that is only fair. It was al little over the top,but it must be noted that it was the Prime Minister who allowed for a State Funeral...That certainly added to the melodrama... However,that melodrama never went on for as long as...say...the Michael Ignatieff character assassination ads did... The "government economic action plan" ads,that continue to run,have...(taxpayers dime,by the way) etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 perhaps you could start with Harper's granting a 'state funeral', hey? Granting a state funeral was the appropriate thing to do. However, turning him into an infallible demi-god definitely wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 If I want to pay for an ad, criticizing the actions or policies of a particular government or party, I have, and should always have that right. He didn't suggest you be denied that right. He suggested that when you're able to make such political ads be limited to the duration of an election campaign. (There's no such thing as absolutely free speech, in any country, BTW.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 turning him into an infallible demi-god definitely wasn't. Wow. I'm an NDP supporter and I don't even hold Layton in regard that high. Seems you may be suffering from Layton Derangement Syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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