Forget Global Climate warmig, we're gonna freeze!

[Guest Peeves]

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/03/07/lorne-gunter-for-climate-cues-look-to-the-sun/

Excerpt from link:

Ottawa’s giant skating rink on the Rideau Canal was closed in February due to thin ice caused by unseasonably mild temperatures. Yet, at the same time, ice blocked the canals of Venice for the first time in recent memory as temperatures in the exquisite Italian city dropped to -10C for more than a week. In the Netherlands, canals were closed to commercial boat traffic because ice made them unnavigable — another unusual development.

Also in early February, fountains in southern France froze over. Polish rail lines were chocked with metres of snow. Swiss villages were cut off by record accumulations this winter. In Japan, tens of thousands of residents were confined to their homes because there was too little removal equipment to clear all the white stuff. At one point three weeks ago, more than 140,000 people worldwide were reportedly stranded by snow.

So which is likely to be the new norm: North America’s mild winter, or Europe’s and Asia’s cold, snowy season?

To hear climate alarmists and environmentalists tell it, the world will soon be without winter. There will be no more backyard skating rinks or Arctic sea ice to sustain the polar bears. Snow will become a rarity in much of Europe, and tornados such as the ones that devastated large swaths of the American Midwest last weekend will become more commonplace.

But that’s not what some solar physicists are predicting.

[Michael Hardner]

Wow, what a crappy article....

For years, now, the global-warming establishment has tried to minimize the effects the sun has on weather and climate.

Why talk about bogeymen in an article about science ? Really, this is beneath the NP.

[olpfan1]

Anyone who believes we caused the earth to warm has to be pretty arrogant.

[Michael Hardner]

Anyone who believes we caused the earth to warm has to be pretty arrogant.

That's a blanket statement. Why would you say that ? It makes no sense. The scientific establishment believes this, so why is it arrogant to believe the same thing ?

[olpfan1]

That's a blanket statement. Why would you say that ? It makes no sense. The scientific establishment believes this, so why is it arrogant to believe the same thing ?

Actually not all scientists believe it, there's just as many that believe we are in for global cooling

[GostHacked]

I really think the weather this year has to do with the larger than normal shift in the magnetic poles early last year. When the magnetosphere changes, the weather on Earth will change as well. The magnetosphere does have an impact on what our weather will be like. Just a hypothesis.

[waldo]

Actually not all scientists believe it, there's just as many that believe we are in for global cooling

you don't know what you're talking about

[waldo]

Anyone who believes we caused the earth to warm has to be pretty arrogant.

in your arrogant free world, what's caused the relatively recent warming? Be prepared to substantiate your claim/statements.

[Michael Hardner]

Actually not all scientists believe it, there's just as many that believe we are in for global cooling

Incorrect. Depending on how you define 'scientist' and which poll you use, of course. You can find ways to jimmy the stats, I'm sure, but climate scientists are beyond 90% in agreement on the basic theory.

[olpfan1]

in your arrogant free world, what's caused the relatively recent warming? Be prepared to substantiate your claim/statements.

It has nothing to do with man made pollution, I still cannot believe you people fell for "global warming caused by man"

What caused the warming? Sun cycles

[olpfan1]

Incorrect. Depending on how you define 'scientist' and which poll you use, of course. You can find ways to jimmy the stats, I'm sure, but climate scientists are beyond 90% in agreement on the basic theory.

Just because you say "incorrect" does not make it incorrect just as I say it's from "sun cycles" does not mean its from sun cycles

you picked your horse, I picked mine

There is more than 10 % of scientists who are on the global cooling bandwagon

Edited March 7, 2012 by olpfan1

[Michael Hardner]

Just because you say "incorrect" does not make it incorrect ...

It's just wrong to say that there are about 50% of scientists who believe in global cooling vs global warming. Where do you get that ?

[olpfan1]

It's just wrong to say that there are about 50% of scientists who believe in global cooling vs global warming. Where do you get that ?

Don't mind this information being from the daily mail, this is substantiated fact

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

[waldo]

It has nothing to do with man made pollution, I still cannot believe you people fell for "global warming caused by man"

What caused the warming? Sun cycles

sun cycles are... cyclical! Temperature increase warming trends are well recognized... there is no correlated solar activity trend that parallels increasing temperature.

as I said, please support your statement/claim that warming is caused by... "sun cycles"

[Michael Hardner]

Well, cooling cycles do occur but what is "global cooling" vs "global warming" and where's your link saying that most scientists say the earth will continue to cool over time ?

[Michael Hardner]

And why does anybody who believes CO2 warms the earth have to be considered 'arrogant' ?

[olpfan1]

Well, cooling cycles do occur but what is "global cooling" vs "global warming" and where's your link saying that most scientists say the earth will continue to cool over time ?

you keep going on about global warming but the earth has stopped warming since 1997

[waldo]

Don't mind this information being from the daily mail, this is substantiated fact

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

substantiated fact! Bloody Hell!

[olpfan1]

And why does anybody who believes CO2 warms the earth have to be considered 'arrogant' ?

arrogant to believe we could have that affect on earth's temperature, it's possible that Co2 will warm a city, like Toronto, but on a worldwide scale...no

[waldo]

you keep going on about global warming but the earth has stopped warming since 1997

ya... so says a British tabloid journalist!

[olpfan1]

substantiated fact! Bloody Hell!

Waldo I don't really care what your opinion on this is, you're like a rabid dog when this subject arises

You can post as many links to your posts as you like but this is the only time I am going to respond to you

in this thread

[Michael Hardner]

arrogant to believe we could have that affect on earth's temperature, it's possible that Co2 will warm a city, like Toronto, but on a worldwide scale...no

I guess you're talking about someone overstating the impact of humans on the earth. There are lots of examples of things that we've done that have impacted the earth - not just warming. Extinct species, for example.

But without objective analysis, you can't say whether an arrogant statement is actually true or not.

It may sound arrogant to say that humans could reach the moon but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[waldo]

Waldo I don't really care what your opinion on this is, you're like a rabid dog when this subject arises

You can post as many links to your posts as you like but this is the only time I am going to respond to you in this thread

no biggee. In the span of a few short posts you have clearly shown you know absolutely nothing... nothing... you can't even talk the fake skeptic talking points correctly. Typically I might have simply ignored it/you; however, when you pompously spout off with your "arrogant labeling", well.... In any case, I'll watch for your cite/support to substantiate your claim that warming is due to, as you say, "solar cycles"! Your linking to a British tabloid article from renowned fake skeptic "journalist" David Rose was gold... you championing it as, as you said, "substantiated fact", was gravy!

[bush_cheney2004]

Waldo I don't really care what your opinion on this is, you're like a rabid dog when this subject arises

True....all of the people killed by Cujo were also global warming deniers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeXGgga0f_g

[olpfan1]

I guess you're talking about someone overstating the impact of humans on the earth. There are lots of examples of things that we've done that have impacted the earth - not just warming. Extinct species, for example.

But without objective analysis, you can't say whether an arrogant statement is actually true or not.

It may sound arrogant to say that humans could reach the moon but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You can't compare warming of the Earths atmosphere due to pollution to the extinction of animals

One is a given, the other is not

That is if you believe the U.S actually landed on the moon, I have my doubts