olpfan1 Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) This shows plain and simple how the conservatives counter attack machine works, not that it was any surprise though, now MacKay looks like a real asshole http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1136045--military-did-damage-control-in-wake-of-peter-mackay-s-helicopter-flight?bn=1 OTTAWA—Military personnel were asked to dig up dirt on an opposition MP in the wake of revelations Defence Minister Peter MacKay was picked up in a search-and-rescue helicopter from a 2010 fishing trip, defence department records show. It first emerged in a television report on Sept. 21, 2011, that MacKay’s office ordered a Cormorant helicopter to pick him up from a private lodge on the Gander River in Newfoundland at an estimated cost of $16,000. His destination was the Gander airport, where a Challenger jet was waiting to take him to a government announcement in London, Ont. The morning of Sept. 22, Royal Canadian Air Force staff — including an officer posted in MacKay’s office — were digging through flight logs to find instances where opposition party MPs took rides aboard military aircraft, according to emails obtained by the Toronto Star. The search fixated on Liberal MP Scott Simms (Bonavista–Gander–Grand Falls–Windsor), whose riding includes the 9 Wing Gander air force base and who was critical of MacKay in the initial CTV report. By noon that day, the air force officials had found what appeared to be information that might take the edge of Simms’ criticisms. “Found it. Jan. 17, 2011, he (Simms) flew with the Standby crew for almost the whole day,” wrote Maj. Byron Johnson in an email to Royal Canadian Air Force headquarters in Ottawa. “Fax is on the way.” That email was sent to a number of individuals in Ottawa, including Maj. James Hawthorne, the military assistant to the Minister of National Defence. Hawthorne then demanded to know who invited Simms on the ride-along, where he flew with the Gander-based search-and-rescue crew, and if he paid any money to reimburse the military for the flight. Another senior air force official, Maj. Jay Nelles, thanked staff in Newfoundland for retrieving the information so quickly, noting that the urgent request for information gave them “a taste of life in Ottawa!!” Simms said the emails, which he reviewed Thursday, show the Conservative “counter-attack machine” in action. Instead of ministers holding themselves to a higher standard, they attack other politicians’ credibility, he said. “Obviously the minister’s office was looking for something they could peg on me.” The Liberal MP said his tour involved an 8 a.m. briefing and two helicopter rides, totalling more than five hours in the air. In the morning he witnessed two search-and-rescue technicians perform a land search. Later in the day, he flew along as they performed a mock marine rescue. Simms said he gained an appreciation for how much preparatory work goes into planning a mission. It turned out that MacKay’s office had directed the search-and-rescue crews to take on Simms as their guest in response to concerns he had raised about response times to distress calls. But under questioning in the House of Commons the day after news about MacKay’s 2010 helicopter ride, the minister used the information uncovered by air force personnel to justify his own controversial trip. He maintained that his 30-minute ride from the fishing lodge to the Gander airport was in fact a long-delayed search-and-rescue demonstration. He also noted that a number of other MPs, including NDP MPs Jack Harris and Christine Moore, had also taken Cormorant flights to learn about search-and-rescue operations. The Star reported last December that MacKay’s office spent four days arranging the flight out of the fishing lodge and could instead have taken a 90-minute boat ride followed by a 30-minute drive to reach the Gander airport. Military officials warned in those documents about the “potential for negative press” but ultimately carried out their mission “under the guise of” search-and-rescue training. “If Peter MacKay had left the fishing camp that morning. . . and did exercises like I did I wouldn’t have said a word,” Simms said Thursday. A spokesman for MacKay said in a statement that finding out information about Simms’ Cormorant flight was “relevant” because the debate in the Commons was focused on parliamentarians use of military aircraft. The new batch of records obtained by the Star show MacKay also took part in a July 2009 flight aboard a Cormorant helicopter that the military says was designed to familiarize MacKay with its search-and-rescue capabilities. Accompanying the minister on that flight were Laura McIntyre, a defence department communications adviser, and Herb Davis, a failed Tory candidate in the 2008 federal election who was working at the time as MacKay’s director of Newfoundland and Labrador affairs. Edited February 24, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 No need for a new thread olpfan1 Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
olpfan1 Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Posted February 24, 2012 No need for a new thread olpfan1 Oops, I'm sorry, I just looked at the new thread area and didn't see it.. I find adding on to old threads with new "information" does not get everyones attention like it would if the thread was new Quote
PIK Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 It is embarressing how the cons are terrible at scandals, these puny little ones just don't compare with the libs scandals. The cons better smarten up if they want to scandal with the big boys. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
olpfan1 Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Posted February 24, 2012 It is embarressing how the cons are terrible at scandals, these puny little ones just don't compare with the libs scandals. The cons better smarten up if they want to scandal with the big boys. Can't argue with that, the Liberals were experts at scandals and hiding them ..but that might be because they didn't have to deal with the access to information act..now all you have to do is fill out some paperwork and you get emails lol Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 It is embarressing how the cons are terrible at scandals, these puny little ones just don't compare with the libs scandals. The cons better smarten up if they want to scandal with the big boys. Oh, you mean the one where the two LPQ members took advantage and stole some money, I remember that one. What I don't remember is any MP implicated in that one. Now go cry ADSCAM!!! over in the existing "Lies about helicopters, and cover up" thread. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
olpfan1 Posted February 24, 2012 Author Report Posted February 24, 2012 It's so annoying when conservatives bring up Ad Scam, hasn't that excuse expired already? The Liberals haven't been government for 6 years and are the 3rd party without a leader Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 It's so annoying when conservatives bring up Ad Scam, hasn't that excuse expired already? The Liberals haven't been government for 6 years and are the 3rd party without a leader We should never forget that scandal, and certainly learn from it so it never happens again. Having said that, what makes me laugh is that this Gov't campaigned on transparency, honesty and openess and have been any but, yet when a sniff of a scandal comes out, they trot out Adscam like some tired old queen that can be used a few more times. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Bryan Posted February 24, 2012 Report Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) We should never forget that scandal, and certainly learn from it so it never happens again. Having said that, what makes me laugh is that this Gov't campaigned on transparency, honesty and openess and have been any but, yet when a sniff of a scandal comes out, they trot out Adscam like some tired old queen that can be used a few more times. The only reason people know about all these tiny faux scandals is because the CPC is significantly more transparent than governments before. They aren't as good at hiding things, because they aren't trying to hide anything. Edited February 24, 2012 by Bryan Quote
waldo Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 ... the CPC is significantly more transparent than governments before. Quote
capricorn Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 It's so annoying when conservatives bring up Ad Scam, hasn't that excuse expired already? Good, be annoyed. The Liberals never apologized to the Canadian people for the theft of their money and were not reimbursed by the party. That's why they're the third place party. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 They aren't as good at hiding things, because they aren't trying to hide anything. That's because they're arrogant - something their base of support appears to value. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Topaz Posted February 25, 2012 Report Posted February 25, 2012 Well, Harper sang the Beatle's song WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS and now with this report and the election phone calling scam, we now kinow how much that song really means to them. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) The only reason people know about all these tiny faux scandals is because the CPC is significantly more transparent than governments before. They aren't as good at hiding things, because they aren't trying to hide anything. I hope someone had an AK-47 to Bryan' head when he typed that Edited February 25, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
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