madmax Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 If its incompetence fire them. LMAO, the people who do this work, work anywheres from 3 days to 2 weeks. And for some its just work for one day....Good luck with that... I agree with the comment in the paper...these are similar to voting irregularities that happen at every polling station in Canada. I have seen polls where the Conservatives didn't receive a single vote but know this to be an absurd outcome of a poll, however no complaints are made cause the outcome would not be affected and it wasn't direct manipulation more then a clerical error after the return is made.... However, with these papers being of question and the result being in question this will mark the first time in over 20 years a court has ordered an election. Its likely the outcome will be the same... but who knows... it may flip Lib again.. If its bad apples fire them, fine them, and then promptly throw their ass in jail. The idea is be objective until you get the facts together instead of going around and putting the blame to vote fraud blame the Conservatives and then start moulding the evidence to fit the predetermined guilty party. Certainly....I am sure we will see Pierre Poutine and his coherts in the shiny new prisons once the charges are laid and a conviction results... Unfortuneately, when people like Diane Finleys husband are involved and guiltly... there is a small fine, but no prison , instead its an nice senate seat for a job well done. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 So your solution is more of the same...election rigging then. You being a Harper fan, I can see why you'd hate to hold open accountable elections without the need for secrecy. Voter intimidation? You mean like Robo-Calling.... or individuals from the Conservative party of Canada disrupting a special ballot polling station on the University of Guelph campus. That kind of voter intimidation? No the kind where I get 50 of my friends and threaten anyone who votes for a party I don't support. But I see your logic "If you don't agree with my ridiculous idea you must hate democracy". You can make elections without a secret ballot and without fixing the ACTUAL problem the election will be cast in to doubt. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
madmax Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) You answer is to remove the secret ballots? Genius, and you called me a fascist. Theres always a bad idea or two in a thread... That said, I find it interesting that Conservatives supporters are really on the defensive when they should be wanting the truth. They should be demanding how their records ended up in the hands of Pierre Poutine. They should be demanding answers on how their Passcode to use RackNine was given to Pierre Pountine. They should be demanding answers on WHY Racknine would accept monies for robocalls from Pierre Jones. They should be demanding answers why the payment for Robocalls do NOT show up in the Election Expenses. This is a Major Infraction. It shows someone trying to hide somethimg. Edited May 19, 2012 by madmax Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 LMAO, the people who do this work, work anywheres from 3 days to 2 weeks. And for some its just work for one day.... Good luck with that... I agree with the comment in the paper...these are similar to voting irregularities that happen at every polling station in Canada. I have seen polls where the Conservatives didn't receive a single vote but know this to be an absurd outcome of a poll, however no complaints are made cause the outcome would not be affected and it wasn't direct manipulation more then a clerical error after the return is made.... However, with these papers being of question and the result being in question this will mark the first time in over 20 years a court has ordered an election. Its likely the outcome will be the same... but who knows... it may flip Lib again.. Certainly....I am sure we will see Pierre Poutine and his coherts in the shiny new prisons once the charges are laid and a conviction results... Unfortuneately, when people like Diane Finleys husband are involved and guiltly... there is a small fine, but no prison , instead its an nice senate seat for a job well done. 1)Then instead of firing, give them a nice big fine and a year in jail. 2)I don't think its going to go Liberal, in my opinion the voters will look at it from the perspective that the Liberals are on their way out and many will switch to the NDP, and some to the Conservatives. But then again maybe the Liberals will run a competent campaign and win. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
madmax Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 You can make elections without a secret ballot and without fixing the ACTUAL problem the election will be cast in to doubt. I agree... the Secret Ballot is a necessity. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 Theres always a bad idea or two in a thread... That said, I find it interesting that Conservatives supporters are really on the defensive when they should be wanting the truth. They should be demanding how their records ended up in the hands of Pierre Poutine. They should be demanding answers on how their Passcode to use RackNine was given to Pierre Pountine. They should be demanding answers on WHY Racknine would accept monies for robocalls from Pierre Jones. They should be demanding answers why the payment for Robocalls do NOT show up in the Election Expenses. This is a Major Infraction. It shows someone trying to hide somethimg. Listen, I want the guilty party as much as anyone else, find the people who are responsible and then promptly throw them in jail, if evidence is presented that the outcome was dramatically changed then by all means sort the problem then and there. My biggest problem is by removing secret ballots we will invite many more problems and solve none. If I can sit outside and intimidate the voters before they get in to vote, or intimidate enough voters that the rest are either too afraid to vote or vote for the party of my choosing. Would everyone be happy with their employer and coworkers knowing who you voted for? Or have everyone know that you voted for the Communist party, the Marijuana party or the Rhino party or that you didn't vote at all? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 My employer and coworkers all know who I vote for an support as do I theirs. I have no issue with it and while we may disagree on some issues politically, at work it plays no part in our performance or interactions with each other. Now, would I associate with those who hold right wing views away from work...not bloody likely. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 My employer and coworkers all know who I vote for an support as do I theirs. I have no issue with it and while we may disagree on some issues politically, at work it plays no part in our performance or interactions with each other. Now, would I associate with those who hold right wing views away from work...not bloody likely. So am I to assume that the other 23million registered voters have nothing to fear if their vote became public? Funny how you decide to isolate yourself from anyone with opposing viewpoints, your approach does nodders to keep you in the dark. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 The only ones who would have something to fear from an open, accountable voting procedure...are those who have something to hide... Like those involved in robo-calls, rigging the system to exceed spending limits in the 2006 election, denying any wrongdoing until some of its members entered a guilty plea to lesser charges of violating financing provisions of the Elections Act. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 The only ones who would have something to fear from an open, accountable voting procedure...are those who have something to hide... Like those involved in robo-calls, rigging the system to exceed spending limits in the 2006 election, denying any wrongdoing until some of its members entered a guilty plea to lesser charges of violating financing provisions of the Elections Act. And how does a non-secret ballot solve: robo-calls, rigging the system to exceed spending limits in the 2006 election, denying any wrongdoing until some of its members entered a guilty plea to lesser charges of violating financing provisions of the Elections Act. Your idiotic "idea" solves absolutely none of the problems you put forth yet creates a whole host of problems all on its own. Next you will want to set up a website where we can see which party people voted for. And then if there is some employer as close minded as you who checks who the applicants voted for that adds a whole other level of discrimination. When an employer does not hire a perfectly suitable candidate because of their vote in the previous election, what does that solve? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 And how does a non-secret ballot solve: Your idiotic "idea" solves absolutely none of the problems you put forth yet creates a whole host of problems all on its own. Next you will want to set up a website where we can see which party people voted for. And then if there is some employer as close minded as you who checks who the applicants voted for that adds a whole other level of discrimination. When an employer does not hire a perfectly suitable candidate because of their vote in the previous election, what does that solve? More insults from you Signals.Cpl?Did you not heed Charles' warning? In an employer chooses to break laws, then they will be opening themselves up to be held accountable as they should. Not to mention, hurting their own business. I doubt many would be so foolish. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 More insults from you Signals.Cpl? Did you not heed Charles' warning? In an employer chooses to break laws, then they will be opening themselves up to be held accountable as they should. Not to mention, hurting their own business. I doubt many would be so foolish. Im sorry where exactly did I insult you? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 More insults from you Signals.Cpl? Did you not heed Charles' warning? In an employer chooses to break laws, then they will be opening themselves up to be held accountable as they should. Not to mention, hurting their own business. I doubt many would be so foolish. INSULTSInsults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it). Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 Im sorry where exactly did I insult you? Well let's see, in the past 5 minutes you've responded to me with...idiotic, close-minded, ignorant, and bipolar Now I personally have no objection to your right to do so and support freedom of expression but Charles did issue a warning the other day in a thread where you were an active participant to stop doing it. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 Well let's see, in the past 5 minutes you've responded to me with... Now I personally have no objection to your right to do so and support freedom of expression but Charles did issue a warning the other day in a thread where you were an active participant to stop doing it. idiotic-Your Idea was idiotic or would you prefer insanely irresponsible? close-minded-You refuse to interact with people who might have a different view point or would you prefer the web definition: not ready to receive to new ideas. ignorant-Lacking knowledge or awareness in general, thats because you support the use of deadly force(Molotov cocktails) by the so-called protestors. bipolar-One day you oppose use of force by police yet the next day you support use of deadly force by thugs in the street. Web definition:Having or relating to two poles or extremities. Anything else? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Rick Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 idiotic-Your Idea was idiotic or would you prefer insanely irresponsible? close-minded-You refuse to interact with people who might have a different view point or would you prefer the web definition: not ready to receive to new ideas. ignorant-Lacking knowledge or awareness in general, thats because you support the use of deadly force(Molotov cocktails) by the so-called protestors. bipolar-One day you oppose use of force by police yet the next day you support use of deadly force by thugs in the street. Web definition:Having or relating to two poles or extremities. Anything else? Nope, your continued use of insults has been duly noted and saved for Charles to rule upon Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
punked Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 idiotic-Your Idea was idiotic or would you prefer insanely irresponsible? close-minded-You refuse to interact with people who might have a different view point or would you prefer the web definition: not ready to receive to new ideas. ignorant-Lacking knowledge or awareness in general, thats because you support the use of deadly force(Molotov cocktails) by the so-called protestors. bipolar-One day you oppose use of force by police yet the next day you support use of deadly force by thugs in the street. Web definition:Having or relating to two poles or extremities. Anything else? Let me try here. Your definition of Bipolar is idiotic Signals.Cpl please learn what words mean before you use them. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) Let me try here. Your definition of Bipolar is idiotic Signals.Cpl please learn what words mean before you use them. bipolar Involving both extremes (poles) at the same time. Relating to or having bipolar disorder. Example, in the Protests, police provocateurs, masks, etc Rick here argues that anyone who defends the police is an idiot because the police are abusing people...While in the How fair is the student protest? he argues that what the protestors are doing is perfectly legal and they should continue doing so. Bipolar-I oppose violence by the police in the G20 protests, I support thugs in Quebec throwing molotov cocktails at police. Edited May 19, 2012 by Signals.Cpl Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
punked Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 (edited) bipolar Involving both extremes (poles) at the same time. Relating to or having bipolar disorder. Example, in the Protests, police provocateurs, masks, etc Rick here argues that anyone who defends the police is an idiot because the police are abusing people...While in the How fair is the student protest? he argues that what the protestors are doing is perfectly legal and they should continue doing so. Bipolar-I oppose violence by the police in the G20 protests, I support thugs in Quebec throwing molotov cocktails at police. Bipolar has nothing to do with having two sets of standards that is being a hypocrite. Again you don't know the meaning of the word so don't use it. We use to call being Bipolar being Manic Depressive. It has never had anything to do with opinions or beliefs. Edited May 19, 2012 by punked Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 Bipolar has nothing to do with having two sets of standards that is being a hypocrite. Again you don't know the meaning of the word so don't use it. Having two opposite or contradictory ideas or natures: the bipolar world of the postwar period. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bipolar Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
punked Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 Having two opposite or contradictory ideas or natures: the bipolar world of the postwar period. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bipolar I'll stick to the oxford English dictionary thanks. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bipolar?region=us Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 I'll stick to the oxford English dictionary thanks. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bipolar?region=us #1 #2 So you are saying I'm wrong because your one handpicked source does not contain all of the definitions? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
jacee Posted May 19, 2012 Report Posted May 19, 2012 I will say in the next election, with all the items the Alliance/Tories are cutting and they are hurting many people, even their own supporters, I can't see them getting in again and if they do, I would really check all voting ballots again. I'm not saying this because of my view of this party but of Tory supporters I've heard saying, that they won't vote for this party again because they are NOT Conservatives, they're reformers, and they don't like what the party is doing. Oh for the good old days when Conservatives were "Progressive". I wonder at times ... and hope ... that progressive Conservative MP's will remove themselves from the Harper Conservative party and re-identify and sit in the House as Progressive Conservatives ... reducing Harper's majority to a minority in the process. It would mean not having access to Conservative Party funds, but it would also mean not being slimed by the party election fraud scandal. It would be a smart move for them to distance themselves ... soon. I have real hope of this happening. I know the people you are talking about ... good people, mostly rural, who've always voted Progressive Conservative and now have been dragged into the toxic sludge of the HarperCon vicious and predatory mentality. The predaTories ... Wouldn't it be nice ... Canadians of all stripes would stand up and cheer! Quote
madmax Posted May 20, 2012 Report Posted May 20, 2012 Listen, I want the guilty party as much as anyone else, find the people who are responsible and then promptly throw them in jail, if evidence is presented that the outcome was dramatically changed then by all means sort the problem then and there. My biggest problem is by removing secret ballots we will invite many more problems and solve none. If I can sit outside and intimidate the voters before they get in to vote, or intimidate enough voters that the rest are either too afraid to vote or vote for the party of my choosing. Would everyone be happy with their employer and coworkers knowing who you voted for? Or have everyone know that you voted for the Communist party, the Marijuana party or the Rhino party or that you didn't vote at all? I fully agree. Quote
PIK Posted May 23, 2012 Report Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Nope, your continued use of insults has been duly noted and saved for Charles to rule upon Come on, run to charlie for protection from some words. Grow up and quit acting like a baby. And if this gets me banned then so be it, It is actually embarressing to read the crying. Edited May 23, 2012 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
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