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[UofGPolitico]

26% of Canadians voted for the conservatives (they are right wingers)

26 % out of 100% is hardly moving to the right

The 40% who chose not to exercise their democratic right should not be in the equation. 26% of Canadians in the last election yes, voted Conservative. You have no idea how many of the 40% who did not vote subscribe to Conservative values. You're criticizing Preston Manning, who I am sorry, but will have much more resources at his disposal than you to make his assertion that Canadians are moving to the right. Basically what he is saying is that more and more people are subscribing to conservative values, but not necessarily voting for the Conservative Party. I've met many people in my life who do in fact possess very conservative values, but do not vote for Harper simply because he is "creepy" or for some other superficial reason.

Edited March 9, 2012 by UofGPolitico

[cybercoma]

Are you implying that the tricks Conservatives use to win the elections are somewhat unethical or illegal and that is why you don't want the opposition to see?

It's not even that secret. Everyone involved in politics knows about CIMS, how it works, what information it contains, and the database's potential. People have already said that the Conservatives have the best voter inforation database because it not only contains information on their supporters, but that has been combined with constituency voter info. CIMS has been attributed to the CPC's ability to raise so much money as well. There database is quite simply more advanced than the ones used by the other parties. If any voter suppression were to take place, this system would make it incredibly easy and it is fully controlled by the central party, as the Electoral District Agreement here shows.

http://cpccims.ca/forms/CIMS%20EDA%20Agreement%20Form.pdf

[cybercoma]

Preston Manning says Robo-calls should worry all politicians

Ottawa Citizen article

Attn: Partisan Hacks, Stand up and take notice how a real Conservative handles this issue.

[jefferiah]

How do you ask a robocaller that?

You don't, of course.

My mistake, though, I thought the poster I was responding to was referring to political calls in general. After re-reading the post and ones he was responding to, I see I was probably wrong in that.

In any case, for those who do not know, it is handy info to have.

Raises a pretty good question, though. If charities and political parties are required to keep their own do-not-call lists, you would wonder why robocalls are even allowed since they do not allow for people to even request to removed from their call list.

Edited March 9, 2012 by jefferiah

[olpfan1]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/03/09/were-older-voters-the-target/

The Star overhears the Elections Canada investigation.

“Every single person I’ve contacted has been (born) between 1947 and 1949,” said one unidentified Elections Canada employee who was following up on the complaints Friday morning.

The Star inadvertently overheard a number of telephone conversations between the woman and complainants located across the country while a reporter was reviewing election expense records at Elections Canada’s Ottawa offices. The questions put to complainants included the content of the robocall, the date it was received and whether that person was able to recall or record telephone number from which the call came. The final question, of those calls that could be heard by the Star, was for the complainants’ age.

[olpfan1]

It's not even that secret. Everyone involved in politics knows about CIMS, how it works, what information it contains, and the database's potential. People have already said that the Conservatives have the best voter inforation database because it not only contains information on their supporters, but that has been combined with constituency voter info. CIMS has been attributed to the CPC's ability to raise so much money as well. There database is quite simply more advanced than the ones used by the other parties. If any voter suppression were to take place, this system would make it incredibly easy and it is fully controlled by the central party, as the Electoral District Agreement here shows.

http://cpccims.ca/forms/CIMS%20EDA%20Agreement%20Form.pdf

Then this database was used to target older citizens if this is true

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1143808--robocalls-older-voters-targeted-by-phony-voting-day-phone-calls-elections-canada-believes?bn=1

[cybercoma]

You don't, of course.

My mistake, though, I thought the poster I was responding to was referring to political calls in general. After re-reading the post and ones he was responding to, I see I was probably wrong in that.

In any case, for those who do not know, it is handy info to have.

Raises a pretty good question, though. If charities and political parties are required to keep their own do-not-call lists, you would wonder why robocalls are even allowed since they do not allow for people to even request to removed from their call list.

Just to let you know, the DNR doesn't cover political calls. They don't have to remove you from their lists.

[jefferiah]

Just to let you know, the DNR doesn't cover political calls. They don't have to remove you from their lists.

Yes, they do.

I know that charities and political parties do not have to comply with the national do-not-call list. But they are required to keep their own internal do-not-call lists. They just never tell you this. If you ask to be removed from their list, they are required to remove you. (In the sense that people being asked to be removed from your list are effectively asking to be added to your internal do-not-call.)

"3. Establish and maintain a private do not call list: While charities are exempt organizations for the purpose of the national list, the Act requires that they maintain private do not call lists. In particular, Canadians are entitled to call specific charities and require the charity to add the caller to the charity’s own do not call list. The charity must maintain and comply with its list or is subject to investigation and penalties under the act."

http://www.canadiancharitylaw.ca/index.php/blog/comments/charities_and_the_do_not_call_list_yes_charities_must_register_who_telemark/

"Organizations who are making telemarketing calls that are exempt from the National DNCL Rules must: maintain an internal do not call list and respect your specific request not to be called;

tell you the purpose of the telemarketing call at the beginning of the call; and,

identify on whose behalf the call is being made."

https://www.lnnte-dncl.gc.ca/nrt-ntr-eng

Edited March 10, 2012 by jefferiah

[eyeball]

You don't, of course.

My mistake, though, I thought the poster I was responding to was referring to political calls in general. After re-reading the post and ones he was responding to, I see I was probably wrong in that.

In any case, for those who do not know, it is handy info to have.

Raises a pretty good question, though. If charities and political parties are required to keep their own do-not-call lists, you would wonder why robocalls are even allowed since they do not allow for people to even request to removed from their call list.

This is why we need a full on public inquiry into this mess instead of just an investigation. The former would at least conclude with real recommendations, like not allowing robocalls and other so-called sleazy electoral/campaign practices that only seem to be making things worse for democracy.

[djwongster]

The Conservatives are clearly to blame and hiding something dirty. They are throwing Dean Del Mastro under the bus now because he is the only one in the House saying that the Conservatives are not to blame and it's all the Liberals. Watch this video where you can clearly see Dean Del Mastro stalling by answering with the same robotic response

[Shakeyhands]

Watch this video where you can clearly see Dean Del Mastro stalling by answering with the same robotic response

That's, sadly, kinda funny.

Real eloquent speaker as well...

[jefferiah]

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Edited March 10, 2012 by jefferiah

[Topaz]

The NDP, Liberals and now the Tories, have agreed to bring forth an motion to give power to EC to check all phone records in the future but also in the past. Del Mastro agreed to it today and so we'll see if the Tories will bring to the House and get it passed. This also means they can go back to 2006, 2008 or further if EC thinks it needs to.

[olpfan1]

The Torys are turning on their own now

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/03/09/pol-fantino-election.html

Three former members of the Conservative riding association in Vaughan, Ont., are asking Elections Canada to investigate the campaign's finances

Edited March 10, 2012 by olpfan1

[capricorn]

The Torys are turning on their own now

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2012/03/09/pol-fantino-election.html

Three former members of the Conservative riding association in Vaughan, Ont., are asking Elections Canada to investigate the campaign's finances

What? No robocalls involved? How disappointing.

[olpfan1]

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/guelph-tory-worker-cancels-meeting-with-elections-canada-investigator/article2365337/?service=mobile

On the advice of his lawyer, a key player in the 2011 Conservative campaign for Guelph is refusing to answer more questions from Elections Canada investigators probing fraudulent robo-calls in the riding.

Andrew Prescott, the deputy campaign manager for Conservative candidate Marty Burke, has already conducted one telephone interview with Elections Canada investigator Al Mathews.

But a source says Mr. Prescott cancelled a face-to-face meeting with Mr. Mathews that had been scheduled for Thursday in Guelph, Ont.

His lawyer advised Mr. Prescott against taking the meeting because of intense media focus on his role in the 2011 campaign, the source says.

Mr. Prescott’s decision could potentially slow down Election Canada’s efforts in the robo-calls probe but the watchdog has been gathering evidence for months from sources as varied as PayPal and telephone companies.

[cybercoma]

Get the Tory Black Book out. They're going to pretend like they want to get to the bottom of this then do everything they can to obstruct the investigation. Go Blue!

[olpfan1]

What? No robocalls involved? How disappointing.

just more money laundering

[capricorn]

just more money laundering

Maybe you should start a new thread about the Fantino allegations cause you know, it's not about robocalls. Just sayin'.

[olpfan1]

Maybe you should start a new thread about the Fantino allegations cause you know, it's not about robocalls. Just sayin'.

hey this whole damn thread is full of robocalls, in & out schemes, stealing election signs

among other election no no's so don't tell me to make a new thread junior

[capricorn]

Hee hee. My spouse is in the other room listening to the CTV 11 o'clock news. As soon as Laflamme mentioned robocalls, he changed the channel.

[capricorn]

junior

[olpfan1]

The fact that Andrew Prescott won't talk to Elections Canada and has lawyered up is proof that we need a public inquiry

[Boges]

Another poll that suggests people don't give a flying F about Robocalls at this point.

http://www.newstalk1010.com/News/localnews/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10357992

A Ipsos-Reid survey for Postmedia News and Global TV suggests that the Conservatives would win an election if it were held today.

37 percent of decided voters say they'd cast a ballot for the Tories. The party level of support is on par with poll numbers from November.

The NDP boasts 29 percent support, down 2 points from November.

23 percent say they'd vote for the Liberals up 2 points from November.

The telephone and online survey was conducted from March 6 to March 8th.

[madmax]

Don't confuse a poll regarding voting preference and interpret to mean something else.

People do care about electoral fraud.

At this time.. nothing that has been brought forth has moved the polling numbers... and why should it?

Chretien , Adscam, Shawinigate.. and a myriad of other issues.. people did care about... that didn't mean they would trust a change in government regardless.. that position eventually changed over time..

My personal view is that this current government can go deeper in the mud then Mulroney and is already deeper in debt then any other government in Canadian History.

Therefore.. I expect things will get far worse before they get better , if you are going to see a change in polling numbers....