olpfan1 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Eric Grenier is one of the conservatives go to guys at the mail, whenever something happens he is the first one to write something positive about the government or tries to play down whatever has went on I don't read his articles anymore Quote
scribblet Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Really, then you close your eyes to any other possibilities All this guy did was crunch the numbers, if you disagree with them or think they are wrong, then prove it, the source is immaterial. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Boges Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Really, then you close your eyes to any other possibilities All this guy did was crunch the numbers, if you disagree with them or think they are wrong, then prove it, the source is immaterial. That would require him to base his opinion on actual evidence. Quote
capricorn Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Eric Grenier is one of the conservatives go to guys at the mail, whenever something happens he is the first one to write something positive about the government or tries to play down whatever has went on I don't read his articles anymore Eric Grenier's work is sourced by many media outlets. Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on most Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls, and electoral projections. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/05/robocalls-scandal-canada-polls-nanos-ekos_n_1320906.html?ref=canada-politics Maybe you just don't like numbers. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Boges Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Eric Grenier's work is sourced by many media outlets. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/05/robocalls-scandal-canada-polls-nanos-ekos_n_1320906.html?ref=canada-politics Maybe you just don't like numbers. C'mon Cap you know HuffPo is a Right-Wing organization. They're in the pocket of Sun News and the Harper Fascist Cabal. Quote
capricorn Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 C'mon Cap you know HuffPo is a Right-Wing organization. They're in the pocket of Sun News and the Harper Fascist Cabal. As a diversion perhaps? Just like Warren Kinsella is the token Liberal contributor at SunNews to make them appear unbiased. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Boges Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 As a diversion perhaps? Just like Warren Kinsella is the token Liberal contributor at SunNews to make them appear unbiased. Sid Ryan did/does columns for them too. Quote
capricorn Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Sid Ryan did/does columns for them too. All the more to confuse anti-SunNewsers. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Eric Grenier's work is sourced by many media outlets. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/05/robocalls-scandal-canada-polls-nanos-ekos_n_1320906.html?ref=canada-politics Maybe you just don't like numbers. Most of the media outlets in the country are pro harper (even more so during elections) Quote
capricorn Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Most of the media outlets in the country are pro harper (even more so during elections) Cite? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Cite? cite what? globe & mail, national post all endorsed the conservatives last election among other city newspapers Edited March 5, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
capricorn Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 cite what? I forgot. You're not prone to backing up your claims with credible sources. globe & mail, national post all endorsed the conservatives last electionamong other city newspapers Are you saying they did the wrong thing? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 I forgot. You're not prone to backing up your claims with credible sources. Are you saying they did the wrong thing? Nothing is stopping you from googling what I claimed It takes 30 seconds Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Most of the media outlets in the country are pro harper (even more so during elections) I would argue the complete opposite actually. No PM has imposed tighter restrictions on questions that can be asked of him and all out access to him as well. Many within the media cannot stand Harper, predominantly the CBC. Just because a certain newspaper takes an editorial stance in support of a particular political party does not mean that entire news organization is biased towards that particular party or leader. PostMedia has long been associated with centre-right views, but it was them who in fact broke this robo call story. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 It was EC, y'all!!!! “I suspect that at the end of the day, if Elections Canada has the resources to do a proper investigation, they’ll find they’re themselves significantly responsible" Someone better get cracking and bear down on them thar back benchers. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
cybercoma Posted March 5, 2012 Author Report Posted March 5, 2012 It was EC, y'all!!!! “I suspect that at the end of the day, if Elections Canada has the resources to do a proper investigation, they’ll find they’re themselves significantly responsible" Someone better get cracking and bear down on them thar back benchers. So, how many different stories is this now? Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) It was EC, y'all!!!! I suspect that at the end of the day, if Elections Canada has the resources to do a proper investigation, theyll find theyre themselves significantly responsible" Someone better get cracking and bear down on them thar back benchers. The line in Charle Daniels song "Uneasy Rider" when he's talking about chasing a bunch of rednecks around a parking lot in his car and saying they were running around,"like their heads was on fire and there asses were catchin'" comes to mind... Desperately grasping at straws is another one... Edited March 5, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) So, how many different stories is this now? 5 or 6... It's almost daily... I guess this is the line Deano the car salesman from Peterborough will use tonight on Power and Politics? Edited March 5, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
UofGPolitico Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 5 or 6... It's almost daily... I guess this is the line Deano the car salesman from Peterborough will use tonight on Power and Politics? Dean has been an embarrassment on this issue. Pierre Pollieve was annoying and kind of an asshole, but his message discipline was a lot better. Dean doesn't look confident and at times appears to not even know what he is saying. I imagine once this all blows over, he may lose his job as the PM's Parliamentary Secretary. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Is it possible for harper to pro rogue parliament for this ? Quote
Sa'adoni Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) I was very surprised to hear that the Conservatives directly violated an Elections Canada directive not to provide polling location information... Election fraud or what... it is really sad Canada doesn't have legal elections anymore .. this is the 3rd election in a row where the conservatives violated the election rules and won. They should be disbanded. It is just plain wrong that a party that repeatedly violates elections law is allowed to run, and claim victory in an election they violated the rules of. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/elections-canada-told-parties-not-to-call-voters-with-polling-station-locations-141498343.html It is sounding like they gave conservative voters the right location and non conservative supporters the wrong location. "While calling Conservative supporters and encouraging them to vote we wanted to make sure they knew where to go," he wrote in response. "While calling not-Conservative supporters and encouraging them to vote we wanted to make sure they knew NOT where to go," various conservatives wrote in response. Why the hell are elections allowed to be outsourced to the US. First off Canadian taxpayer dollars are paying for the calls, second off the jobs arn't even going to Canadians, they are spending Canadian election dollars on Americans... wtf. Why the hell should americans be telling Canadians where to vote? Now its an international issue... Americans helping the conservatives rig the election... Both the conservatives and the Americans should be locked out of politics in Canada. Why the hell are americans campaigning for Canadian candidates in Canada? Edited March 5, 2012 by Sa'adoni Quote
Topaz Posted March 5, 2012 Report Posted March 5, 2012 Question, didn't Ian Brodie of the PMO, have to leave because he got involved in the Obama vs Clinton and if Obama was serious about Free Tade with Canada or some changes to it??? Quote
capricorn Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 I was very surprised to hear that the Conservatives directly violated an Elections Canada directive not to provide polling location information... Your link reports that Conservatives asked EC for a list of poll changes and that EC subsequently provided the list to all parties, which consisted of changes to 127 poll locations. So, all parties had the list of changes. Do you really think only the Conservative party provided the revised poll locations to their supporters? I doubt that very much. It is sounding like they gave conservative voters the right location and non conservative supporters the wrong location. That's one of the allegations by the opposition. First off Canadian taxpayer dollars are paying for the calls, To my understanding in the case of robo calls, expenses for calls from parties to their supporters are contracted out and paid for by the party or local campaigns. In the case of local campaign headquarters, I believe all those expenses, including phones, are paid for out of that campaign's budget. Americans helping the conservatives rig the election... You know that how? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Sa'adoni Posted March 6, 2012 Report Posted March 6, 2012 To my understanding in the case of robo calls, expenses for calls from parties to their supporters are contracted out and paid for by the party or local campaigns. In the case of local campaign headquarters, I believe all those expenses, including phones, are paid for out of that campaign's budget. Official parties get tax rebates for expenses... you know that how? ducks lined up.. Quote
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