Evening Star Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Sona acted precisely and in the same spirit as Anonymous and Occupy, taking the Law into their own hands because of what THEY believed! How on earth is the Occupy movement equivalent to interfering with an election? How is it even different from any other protest in a democracy? And cybercoma's right about Anonymous: I find their action completely distasteful but being obnoxious and hassling (at worst harassing) someone over material that is already public is not on par with deliberately misinforming voters. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) On twitter: Elections Canada documents show RCMP's commercial crime branch assisted with the #robocalls investigation http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/fio-pelf/commer-crime-eng.htm Edited February 28, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
UofGPolitico Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 On twitter: Elections Canada documents show RCMP's commercial crime branch assisted with the #robocalls investigation http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/fio-pelf/commer-crime-eng.htm Who on twitter? Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Who on twitter? @glen_mcgregor from the Ottawa Citizen if none of you are on twitter..there is a lot of new stuff being discussed by @glen mcgregor & @acoyne Edited February 28, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
UofGPolitico Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 @glen_mcgregor from the Ottawa Citizen if none of you are on twitter..there is a lot of new stuff being discussed nu @glen mcgregor & @acoyne Ok, thank you. This is better than most mystery novels..... new details by the hour, or in some cases, by the minute. I really hope all this hoopla actually leads to those responsible being caught and punished. This cannot stand. At the very least this scandal should highlight the tailspin our electoral politics have been over the last few years and hopefully some changes are implemented. Quote
PIK Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 It seems that in orleans in ottawa that reported this 10 months ago, not one person has been interviewed by elections canada. So what can they do? Bring in the RCMP? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Ok, thank you. This is better than most mystery novels..... new details by the hour, or in some cases, by the minute. I really hope all this hoopla actually leads to those responsible being caught and punished. This cannot stand. At the very least this scandal should highlight the tailspin our electoral politics have been over the last few years and hopefully some changes are implemented. haha yes, these journalists on twitter come by new information it seems everyday. they're following the money trail finding conservative campaigns where there is a record of how much they spent on the campaign yet never reported it to elections canada all kinds of stuff that no one talks about in here they are talking about Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 of course there won't be any by-elections called; in any case, the Harper Conservative Banana Republic carries a fine ring! Yup... Stephen "Anastasio Samoza" Harper to the rescue!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
UofGPolitico Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) There is a Pierre's Poutine restaurant in Guelph. Wow, how stupid is this person lol? What a cheesy alias. Pardon the pun. Now the Burke campaign says one or more unnamed campaign officials may have went rouge without the consent of the national campaign. The suggestion still seems to be that Guelph is the centre of all this. I don't understand why Guelph was targeted though, because it was a clear safe Liberal seat. Even with the rest of Ontario going blue, Valeriote still won by 6,000 votes. LOL, without the alleged suppression I wonder how big his victory would have been. Edited February 28, 2012 by UofGPolitico Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 The message left on Guelph resident Dave Hudson’s voicemail on Election Day 2011 sounded official enough. A recorded female voice claiming to be calling from Elections Canada told him his voting location had changed. “This is an automated message from Elections Canada,” the voice said. “Due to a projected increase in voter turnout, your poll location has been changed … We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.” The message ends by urging voters to call a “hotline” at 1-800-434-4456 if they have any questions. The number is no longer in service. The same message in French then follows. http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/canada/politics/article/1138013--robo-calls-listen-to-this-fraudulent-elections-canada-message Quote
capricorn Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 It seems that in orleans in ottawa that reported this 10 months ago, not one person has been interviewed by elections canada. So what can they do? Bring in the RCMP? PIK, then you probably heard the defeated Liberal candidate and the Conservative MP interviewed this morning on CFRA this morning? A complaint filed in April 2011 and not a peep yet from Elections Canada. That's not right. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Jack Weber Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Clearly you're missing the point, whether it was over 100 years ago or a decade ago it can in no way be considered as relevant as something that is currently happening, your "ad scam" red herring is just as ludicrous to bring up as the rail road scandal is. There's plenty to choose from if we look at the last time the PC's were in power back in the 80's. Nice try though, you clearly have nothing intelligent to add to the conversatoin. The person in question recently brought up the NEP,as if he were some "hard done by" Albertan... By the way,your last statement concerning that poster is spot on... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 There is a Pierre's Poutine restaurant in Guelph. Wow, how stupid is this person lol? What a cheesy alias. Pardon the pun. Now the Burke campaign says one or more unnamed campaign officials may have went rouge without the consent of the national campaign. The suggestion still seems to be that Guelph is the centre of all this. I don't understand why Guelph was targeted though, because it was a clear safe Liberal seat. Even with the rest of Ontario going blue, Valeriote still won by 6,000 votes. LOL, without the alleged suppression I wonder how big his victory would have been. Yep, I'm sure the RCMP will be (if they havent already) questioning every person on Burkes campaign / going to question the owner of Pierre Poutine.. the person who did this may have been a regular I would also show the owner a picture of them all asking him / her if they recognize anyone Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Okay this is weird @glen_mcgregor: Postmedia News - Ottawa Citizen has found "Pierre Poutine" of "Separatist St." in Joliette is fake identity used for #robocalls cell phone. Our scandals are embarrassing.. Pierre Poutine of Separatist street That's the most ridiculous cover name I have ever heared of!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 That's the most ridiculous cover name I have ever heared of!!! Remember when Bush called Jean Chretien Jean Poutine? I think he was joking though Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) How on earth is the Occupy movement equivalent to interfering with an election? How is it even different from any other protest in a democracy? And cybercoma's right about Anonymous: I find their action completely distasteful but being obnoxious and hassling (at worst harassing) someone over material that is already public is not on par with deliberately misinforming voters. You miss my point, Star! I wasn't trying to make a comparison with witch act was more right or wrong. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of giving approval to one wrong thing based on it riding your own favourite hobbyhorse, while condemning a wrong done by someone not on your own political side. It doesn't matter which act is more right or wrong. Situational ethics are ALWAYS wrong! As Captain Kirk told Cloud William in the episode "The Omega Glory", when the Yangs had won their freedom over the Comms and Kirk had realized that their Holy Words were actually the American Declaration of Independence "these words and the words that follow ... must apply to everyone or they mean nothing! Do you understand, Cloud William?" Both Occupy with their "squatting" and Anonymous with their blackmail broke the law. Olp1fan appears to have no problem with that. A Tory staffer tries to stop people using a ballot box because he believes the box to be in an illegal location and somehow, that's NOT alright, because Olp1fan doesn't like Tories! My point was simply that wrong is wrong and right is right. When you start to pick and chose you only show you have no fixed values or ethics of any kind at all. Edited February 28, 2012 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Bill you lost all credibility when you voted for the cpc given they got burned for the in & out which helped them during an election you dont give a care about right or wrong Edited February 28, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
UofGPolitico Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Yep, I'm sure the RCMP will be (if they havent already) questioning every person on Burkes campaign / going to question the owner of Pierre Poutine.. the person who did this may have been a regular I would also show the owner a picture of them all asking him / her if they recognize anyone Yep. I've lived in Guelph all my life and have never eaten there, but I know it is a very popular place among residents and students. I don't know why Guelph was such an important riding for the Conservatives? I guess being the lone red riding still in this area. Quote
UofGPolitico Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Bill you lost all credibility when you voted for the cpc Its unfair to attack someone just because they voted for the CPC. I've voted CPC in the past, but I in no way endorse these tactics. If the party executive is found to be tied to this, I hope the party is taken down. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Its unfair to attack someone just because they voted for the CPC. I've voted CPC in the past, but I in no way endorse these tactics. If the party executive is found to be tied to this, I hope the party is taken down. The cpc have been busted before cheating during elections ergo In & out scandal anybody who votes for a party which lies about their election expenses are capable of anything Quote
capricorn Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Bill you lost all credibility when you voted for the cpc How dare you accuse the 40% of Canadians who voted Conservative of lacking credibility. I demand you apologize to them. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Topaz Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 You miss my point, Star! I wasn't trying to make a comparison with with act was more right or wrong. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of giving approval to one wrong thing based on it riding your own favourite hobbyhorse, while condemning a wrong done by someone not on your own political side. It doesn't matter which act is more right or wrong. Situational ethics are ALWAYS wrong! As Captain Kirk told Cloud William in the episode "The Omega Glory", when the Yangs had won their freedom over the Comms and Kirk had realized that their Holy Words were actually the American Declaration of Independence "these words and the words that follow ... must apply to everyone or they mean nothing! Do you understand, Cloud William?" Both Occupy with their "squatting" and Anonymous with their blackmail broke the law. Olp1fan appears to have no problem with that. A Tory staffer tries to stop people using a ballot box because he believes the box to be in an illegal location and somehow, that's NOT alright, because Olp1fan doesn't like Tories! My point was simply that wrong is wrong and right is right. When you start to pick and chose you only show you have no fixed values or ethics or any kind at all. So does that mean the voters should vote for the NDP next time because the Libs and the Tories have done wrong? The answer is yes they SHOULD but voters won't and that what's wrong with this country. If one sticks to the idea, there's only ONE party , parties like the Tories and the Libs always get back in. Now having said that, outside of the Lib staffer, and IF he acted on his own, I see nothing wrong as yet with the Liberal party, can YOU say that about the new Conservatives since 2006? Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 How dare you accuse the 40% of Canadians who voted Conservative of lacking credibility. I demand you apologize to them. I have to suspect anyone who voted for the cpc after they were caught defrauding elections canada during the in and out to be moral less and no respect for democracy if you fall in that group, then i question your ethics Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 Bill you lost all credibility when you voted for the cpc given they got burned for the in & out which helped them during an election you dont give a care about right or wrong You are entitled to your opinion as to the legalities and the actions of Elections Canada concerning the "in and out" affair. Forgive me if I don't believe it to be gospel just because YOU say so! Who the hell are you, anyhow? Who appointed you Moses on the Mount? You remind me more and more of some evangelical preacher, like Charles McVeety! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olpfan1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Posted February 28, 2012 You are entitled to your opinion as to the legalities and the actions of Elections Canada concerning the "in and out" affair. their is NO question they broke the law & they even plead guilty Quote
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