stopstaaron Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 @stphnmaher: Every time CPC MPs try to steer Mayrand toward talk of errors, he states that something serious happened. lol, nice try CPC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 TV news says that people have been complaining about problems with elections since 2005-6 election, 2008 and 2011. It also said it would take a year or less to finish the investigation then it could go to committee were it would be decided if a Royal Inquirer is needed. The only problem with that is now, the Tories have the power in ALL committee meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I would hate to take away from everyone discussing how they're phasing out the penny, but the Chief Electoral Officer called the robocalls "absolutely outrageous" today amidst Conservatives trying to redefine this issue as simply "erroneous." Strange that everyone wants to get to the bottom of this issue, but the Conservatives continue to downplay and otherwise hamper any meaningful investigation or debate about the subject. Fraudulent robocalls 'absolutely outrageous': chief electoral officer By Stephen Maher and Glen McGregor, Postmedia News "Whether it was organized or bigger or whatever, the fact that electors, at least that we know in Guelph (Ont.), were misdirected by calls falsely made on behalf of Elections Canada is absolutely outrageous."Mayrand suggested that Parliament consider strengthening the penalties for breaches of the elections law and said that the fines and jail sentences under the current regime are "disproportionately light." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stopstaaron Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The Tories were trying to minimize it during the whole committee .. you could tell they are worried.. they probably know more than the public does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Yeah. It really doesn't look good when the Conservatives are trying to downplay it all and Mayrand is saying things like this: "I think it's a serious matter," he said. "I'm glad to see that it concerns Canadians, honestly. It's essential to the way we govern ourselves, and it touches on the fundamentals of our democracy, how we elect our representatives. I can't see anything more serious than that about democratic institutions."Read more: http://www.canada.com/life/Fraudulent+robocalls+absolutely+outrageous+chief+electoral+officer/6380092/story.html#ixzz1qZQ6GELl Even if the Conservatives aren't responsible, it makes the entire party look guilty when there's this kind of organized effort to ignore what is potentially one of the worst frauds in our political history. Edited March 30, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huh Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Dean!!! Better get ready for P&P... Your jabs are so underwhelming, it truly is the best you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huh Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I would hate to take away from everyone discussing how they're phasing out the penny, but the Chief Electoral Officer called the robocalls "absolutely outrageous" today amidst Conservatives trying to redefine this issue as simply "erroneous." Strange that everyone wants to get to the bottom of this issue, but the Conservatives continue to downplay and otherwise hamper any meaningful investigation or debate about the subject. Fraudulent robocalls 'absolutely outrageous': chief electoral officer By Stephen Maher and Glen McGregor, Postmedia News It would be outrageous if they had perpetrated it, by they, someone in the leadership of the party, and did so with the absolute intent to corrupt the election, your tendency to insinuate and accuse continues without restraint, and without evidence. Why would it be strange that they would want to downplay the issue, the country is full of fools like you who convict without any evidence, btw, what evidence do you have that they are hampering a meaningful investigation? Has the RCMP or Elections Canada said that they are being hampered? Or do you just feel that they are? Is your evidence 'just cuz'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Elections Canada probing call complaints in 200 ridings 800 complaints received about robocalls and live calls, Commons committee hears "Any action taken to deliberately misdirect electors and interfere with their right to vote under the Constitution and the Elections Act is a serious offence," he said in his opening statement. "It not only denies the fundamental rights of affected electors, but it also diminishes our democratic institution and the rights of all Canadians." He later called the attempts to misdirect voters "absolutely outrageous" and said whoever is responsible should face serious sanctions. He also said the Elections Act should be reviewed to ensure that its penalties are strong enough."It's totally unacceptable in a modern democracy," he said of the attempts to misdirect voters. Good to know EC sees it that way. 200 ridings ... it's starting to sound a lot like a national project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Why would it be strange that they would want to downplay the issue, because it is strange! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Your jabs are so underwhelming, it truly is the best you can do. They go as low as the crowd I'm aiming at.... Underwhelming you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Which party was it that sent phone calls to Irwin Cotlers riding telling them he is resigning and then admit to doing that in QP while jovially patting themselves on the back for it? Was it the NDP no? It was the Conservatives Their is no doubt in my mind that the Conservatives are responsible for this and there is no doubt in my mind that someone near the top instructed them what to do you must be able to see the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The robocalling was done in 18 swing ridings... this government is illegitimate The governor general has to seriously consider calling for another election aren't you jumping to confusion given that the matter is still under investigation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Maybe Harper leaked this story to the press because he wanted us to be distracted by this so we forget about Toews & Bil C-30? Harper has to know nothing will happen as the result of this so that is why he took the gamble Oh I am on to you Harper yep ...you sure are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 cbc confirmed more ridings were robo called, that is 27 now CBC the leftist gospel of truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 So far that's what I'm reading too, I don't see the CBC making a list of other parties using the same firm. As far as I'm concerned this is nothing but an ongoing attempt to delegitimize a duly elected majority government and unfortunately facts won't count when the issue is resolved. NDP Martin allready did the damage by framing the issue ahead of any investigation and the CBC continues screaming and pushing the 'fraud' meme. This as all again, supposition and gossip with no facts whatsoever, but the usual culprits rush to judgement first, because it's in their interests to damage the Tories by flinging mud which they know can stick, regardless of the outcome. IMO Mr. Harper should hire a private investigator to clear this up. I'm also pretty sure that the media knows who the scurillious twitterer was but isn't revealing it, but you'll bet if they find out who this is, they will. CBC should be registered as a political party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Unfortunately if anyone is brought up on charges, the whole process will get bogged down in beurocracy taking to long and costing the taxpayers MORE money for an investigation that will only catch the small time criminals and not the ones who actually did the crime. I can get behind them getting punished, but we've seen it before, it won't mean much. isn't that "bureaucracy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardguy Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Just read this morning but didn't keep the link, that they allready have identified a young campaign worker, but the damage is allready done with the NDP and the CBC in full tilt - destroy Harper - mode. They have been furiously slinging mud while allowed to frame the narrative before fact finding, they have been successful in their mudslinging, innuendo and gossip. No matter what facts are presented now, it's too late, judgement has been rendered. unfortunately, the CBC and NDP do not care about whether thr evidence supports their bias or motives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Are you going to reply to every post in this thread over the last 6 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 CBC the leftist gospel of truth SunTV...The One Stop Shop Infotainment Channel for Right Wing Kooks in Canada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 unfortunately, the CBC and NDP do not care about whether thr evidence supports their bias or motives 'Cause The Harper Government has been so forthcoming through Dean Del Mastro.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoDucks Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 unfortunately, the CBC and NDP do not care about whether thr evidence supports their bias or motives Your talking points might come across better if you could spell properly, bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukonvinny Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Which party was it that sent phone calls to Irwin Cotlers riding telling them he is resigning and then admit to doing that in QP while jovially patting themselves on the back for it? Was it the NDP no? It was the Conservatives Their is no doubt in my mind that the Conservatives are responsible for this and there is no doubt in my mind that someone near the top instructed them what to do Right , so they could be caught? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukonvinny Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 The robocalling was done in 18 swing ridings... this government is illegitimate The governor general has to seriously consider calling for another election That is a very good reason to think the NDP had something to do with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bleeding heart Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 That is a very good reason to think the NDP had something to do with this. Right. There is as yet no definitive proof of the Government's wrongdoing, which means that it's all bulls***; except, just by the way, the NDP are probably responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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