waldo Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Just like the oposition members failed to read Elections Canada Report which states: There seems to be more than one party or individual who is all to happy to point out inaccurate claims... yes, when you rely on the likes of FoxNewsNorth's Brian Lilley... I'm not surprised. That/your quote comes from an early May 16th memo... not the 2 month's later report, proper. The report that concluded: The Commissioner is looking into several complaints surrounding: - premature transmission of election results on polling day by major media - crank calls designed to discourage voting, discourage voting for a particular party, or incorrectly advise electors of changed polling locations - employers’ obligation to allow employees time to vote in any case, quite clearly, Elections Canada doesn't have the means/wherewithal to do a proper and complete investigation... Quote
capricorn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Well considering he used a burner phone, we may never know. Using a disposable phone to hide your identity is not the same as using a call centre for massive phone campaigns. Call centre activity is much easier to trace. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 twitter is blowing up right now over dean del mastros incompetence on national tv Quote
capricorn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 And how about the RCMP? Useless as well, I presume? That's what the opps are telegraphing by pushing for a public inquiry. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 That's what the opps are telegraphing by pushing for a public inquiry. Why doesnt harper call an inquiry if he believes the liberals are behind it? Quote
capricorn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Why doesnt harper call an inquiry if he believes the liberals are behind it? Why have a multi-million dollar inquiry when Elections Canada and the RCMP are already mandated to investigate? What's the matter olp? Don't you have confidence that those institutions can do their job? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Why have a multi-million dollar inquiry when Elections Canada and the RCMP are already mandated to investigate? What's the matter olp? Don't you have confidence that those institutions can do their job? No, I don't.. Canadians trust Gomery.. bring him in, at least then we know we'll get a fair investigation Quote
fellowtraveller Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I don't trust Gomery, he spent months and millions investigating the theft of $200 million of taxpayer money and not a single politician went to jail. Quote The government should do something.
capricorn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 No, I don't.. Why? Canadians trust Gomery.. NDP talking point. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
waldo Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 And how about the RCMP? Useless as well, I presume? I know, maybe we should form a committee of opposition MP's to investigate and see what result they come up with. It's given good results in the past...to the opposition's claims. clearly, Elections Canada didn't have the means/wherewithal to carry through on the problems identified during the election... it's taken a media/public firestorm in recent weeks to get Elections Canada 'back in the game'. Notwithstanding the intense scrutiny the RCMP has come under in recent years, even if you assign full/complete trusting competence to the RCMP, who is leading/directing... Elections Canada or the RCMP? In any case, I expect this shyte-storm is still in it's infancy and, ultimately, that full public inquiry can't be denied. this one just in (as I'm aware): An In & Out Wrinkle? ... several Harper Conservative candidates were billed for using the RMG call-center services, but their riding campaigns never used RMG services... ??? money was directed through the ridings to provide RMG services to the federal campaign. Oh my! Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I don't trust Gomery, he spent months and millions investigating the theft of $200 million of taxpayer money and not a single politician went to jail. Elections Canada let the CPC off the hook during the in and out scheme only getting fined 50,000 while jail time was looking likely a deal was made i dont trust EC at all Quote
scribblet Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 twitter is blowing up right now over dean del mastros incompetence on national tv I don't follow twitter and don't have Canadian TV right now, so, is it you saying that or can you provide a link or source. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
YEGmann Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) The Globe and Mail wrote this: A Liberal Party candidate from British Columbia has publicly acknowledged hiring First Contact and that calls her campaign arranged to solicit voter support showed up on call display as coming from the United States. Former Liberal candidate Diane Janzen told The Chilliwack Times last April that this occurred because calls arranged with the aid of First Contact relied on a computer “based in the U.S., similar to other patented software for computers.” http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/pushing-back-on-robo-calls-tories-blame-liberals-for-electoral-mischief/article2355453/?service=mobile Edited March 2, 2012 by YEGmann Quote
Topaz Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 IF its not the Libs or the Tories and the NDP, then could it be the Bloc, the Chinese, Green Party, who will Harper blame next??? Instead of blaming others, why doesn't Harper call for an inquiry, open all parties and unless the Tory cooperate 100%, then they will look guilty even if they are not. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 @chrishallcbc: CBC News has learned #CPC is reviewing tapes of all calls made by RMG in Thunder Bay before ElxnCan officials arrive next week. #cdnpoli Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Seems you don't really need a phone OR a robocaller to disrupt things! More Irregularities and a law suit. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Shakeyhands Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) @chrishallcbc: CBC News has learned #CPC is reviewing tapes of all calls made by RMG in Thunder Bay before ElxnCan officials arrive next week. #cdnpoli Wolves watching the wolves or hens or ohhhh... crap Where did all the evidence go? If this was a proper investigation BY ANYBODY.. Those tapes or drives would have been seized and sealed. What a joke. Edited March 2, 2012 by Shakeyhands Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
eyeball Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) I think its safe to say anyone who reads a newspaper, turns on the t.v. news or has a social network chances are they have heard about this story. Whether or not it resonates with people outside this so called political crowd, that is a different story. It probably resonates with many of the reasons the 40% who didn't vote last election, didn't vote. I think it's safe to say the numbers of people who refuse to subscribe to the system will only continue to grow. [sarcasm]Myself I think voting is unethical in lieu of decent systems of accountability and transparency. I think it's as wrong to expose politicians to power and wealth without oversight as it is to let nuclear workers work in power plants without shielding. [/sarcasm] Edited March 2, 2012 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Elections Canada let the CPC off the hook during the in and out scheme As I said earlier, it was just a matter of time until someone claimed that Elections Canada is in the back pocket of the Conservatives. i dont trust EC at all Of course not, it's an organ of the Conservative party. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Either that, or the CPC is trying to get to the bottom of things as well since they're probably not thrilled with the accusations being hoisted their way. Why should they give any more of a shit than their base of support does and they've got the "majority" of Canadians with them too don't they? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 It probably resonates with many of the reasons the 40% who didn't vote last election, didn't vote. I think it's safe to say the numbers of people who refuse to subscribe to the system will only continue to grow.j Voter turnout increased in the 2011 elections over 2008. How does that translate into an increase in people who refuse to vote? http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=ele&dir=turn&document=index〈=e Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Voter turnout increased in the 2011 elections over 2008. How does that translate into an increase in people who refuse to vote? http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=ele&dir=turn&document=index〈=e A minor blip on a line trending downward. OTOH who knows how it might have translated in an honest election. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
capricorn Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 A minor blip on a line trending downward. Of course. It's a blip, it's an anomaly. To admit otherwise would dismiss your assertion that the downward trend will continue. OTOH who knows how it might have translated in an honest election. I note you've already rendered judgment before the results of an Elections Canada/RCMP investigation are known. OK then. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
eyeball Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Of course. It's a blip, it's an anomaly. To admit otherwise would dismiss your assertion that the downward trend will continue. I note you've already rendered judgment before the results of an Elections Canada/RCMP investigation are known. OK then. I rendered that years ago when I started opting out of voting. I just can't get over the sense I've been playing with shit or enabling some abuser when I cast a vote. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Vendetta Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Of course. It's a blip, it's an anomaly. To admit otherwise would dismiss your assertion that the downward trend will continue. I note you've already rendered judgment before the results of an Elections Canada/RCMP investigation are known. OK then. Better watch out, I heard that all the Tory Astroturfers who posted on election day are going to jail. LOL Quote
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