Internet surveillance (Bill C-30)

[jacee]

oh my! Are Harper Conservatives now... standing with the child pornographers?

Conservatives kill controversial 'child pornographers' Internet surveillance bill

:lol:

:applause: :applause:

So ... we can shame the Harper dicta-jority into backtracking on their stupi-genda.

Carry on!

Edited February 12, 2013 by jacee

[GostHacked]

I read that yesterday Jacee and was quite pleased. Supreme Court does something right and hold up the rights of the citizens. But I only wonder if they have something more sinister coming down the pipe.

[eyeball]

'Missed us by that much'

“Key allies, including the U.K. and the United States, view this as a key international agreement and are eager for Canada to complete its ratification process,”

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I can only imagine what can our poor allies must be thinking, we were with the terrorists on Iraq and now we're with the pornographers on little kids...oh well at least we still lock people up for pot and soon we'll be able to throw crazy people in jail...again. There's still lots of room left for gettin' tough and mean and crackin' down and stuff.

[Topaz]

What are the views on online tracking like google or others? On some sites, they collect which sites you've been and then it shows up on your computer later. For ie, if you check a certain site thats ells items, later advertising of that item shows up..

[kairos]

Another example of right wing authoritarians in Canada wanting to turn Canada into an Orwellian nightmare like the U.S. and Britain. Keep Canada free. Warrantless wiretapping would have been approved by the Gestapo, KGB, Mao's China and the Stasi, it shouldn't be Canadian policy.

[shortlived]

If the government weren't corrupt and untrustworthy, these sorts of privacy issues wouldn't concern people. In a corrupt police state people have concerns obviously. These are partisan and power hungry people, politics and vendetta is rampant within the government workforce, afterall they are human. its the people who are running the systems that matters, a lot of people don't fully trust the police. I think if these were for terrorism reasons it would be the CSE and CF intelligence services. As far as child porn etc.. I was really disturbed that it appears to have been popping up on a lot of internet porn sites as ads on those sites. Its really hard to tell peoples ages though. For obvious child porn this is another issue completely though and I've only ever encountered it online once when someone on MIRC spammed a link to a child porn site, I was greatly insulted and offended, and contacted the police accordingly. That was like a decade ago. None the less computer systems aren't secure, all these computer crimes are fairly circumspect. The only issue I have is that it is undoubted that these provisions will go well beyond what they are intended and the "creep" effect will come into play, as once you give police a taste of new powers they will find ways to apply them to instances they weren't intended for. I think people should just get over it though, this selective police state stuff is rather partisan. the divide between business government then the people is rather unfortunate when it come to policing. It is effectively fascist policy. Bottom line is the pedos will only up their technology and systems as soon as the government cracks down on one way of couriering. Good measures, but what the government should do hand in hand, is remove online copyright laws and make materials freely reproducible for personal non commercial use, such as self-educational use. Likewise people will just use encryption anyway, if that fails, they will use sign, codes, or elaborately hiding stuff. You actually by forcing the movement underground limit available leads from narcs and other informants. Then you don't get to the source of the materials. The only real alternative is employing software to analyze all photos and videos online all traffic specifically with software designed for porn, along with facial recognition software, paired with biometric IDs for all citizens where facial recognition software can be used to match it up.. that with cameras in schools for childrens registrations and all individuals in the vunerable sector in addition to getting a police check also get put into the system for facial recognition, and also for computer system use monitoing,cell phone monitoring etc.. since they are the ones .. oh and all parents of course and baby sitters... etc.. that is a start. (Of course

Leave the people who don't have access to kids alone...... or how about a tax credit for child monitoring bands that can be read by gps? that set off an alarm if removed via wireless technology called the "Amber frequency" giving the childs code number and the last gps location? Set up cameras after every public venue "kids are allowed to go to alone" Oh and make a "kids internet" and an adult internet" and require everyone to log into their ISP .... with the "candaian internet access card" and oh how about prohibiting communications online without logging in.. you know so things can be tracked....

The two pronged issue is you can't trust a corrupt partisan political front, and you can't trust a governmentla police system embedded with organized crime elements.

I think it is realistic to pump out a cheap electronic device for $10 or so, that is a commitment of only about say 4 million dollars, with perhaps an additional 5 million to upgrade municipal antennas to take in the tracking data. Perhaps another 10 or 20 million to implement the biometrics info since there are already government cameras etc.. at various government offices at various government leels, example health ministires and passport |Canada, drivers licensing places etc.. With only perhaps 400,000 new births each year and that comprising perhaps 50 million a year maximum threshold to monitor all children. The systems could use an active RFID system with antennas mounted to lampposts and telephone poles.. , to compliment the CCTV systems at all locations with children... oh and you know since all parents and people employed would need to be scanned too, they'd have their RFID cards too so that only people with cards would go near these systems without an alert being generated... and anyone who does show up would pop up on the system once in range. When you look at this in comparison th cost of the G20 or making a fake lake, or the primeminsiters personal security cost, who do you protect the children or the PM? I think the PM should man up and kill his own security budget and reallocate the funds to protecting the children of the nation.

Of course corrupt government will use it for parents who care about their kids, abducting or threatening parents to do their wishes or face the torture of their chidlren. The more power they have over you the less you can resist their orders regardless of how much they violate your rights. the government program is to enable them to strip all civil liberties from individuals that don't follow the program, this includes charter rights.

They want total control even if it isn't legislatively based, they create their own policies that commonly violate civil rights. It is effectively partisan corruption, because people are in their for their interests rather than insuring rule of law and improving society as a whole rather than special interest groups, lobbies, and associates.

That is why these laws are dangerous..

why for example did the forum go down for a while after this post went up?

The bottom line is, police can do these things, but if they told the truth about how they obtained specific evidence the evidence would be inadmisable. Now to be serious if police are investigating and unearth evidence of something I would hope that would be sufficient for a search warrant or a seizure of other materials which may be present reasonably, even if the evidence or tip off is not admiisble due to not obtaining it with a search warrant without a reasonable beleif that a crime had been committed. Of course a illegal wiretap would also open up the police to charges, but who would know? They have their own systems that basically eat up and analyze wireless signals. Wireless signals fireboxes or what not basically everything from laptop monitors to telephones are emitting information. It is just a matter of having suspicion and its all able to be viewed.

Edited February 19, 2013 by shortlived