Scotty Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I've come to suspect the moderation of this site is based largely on the ideological and political beliefs of the posters. Ie, if you're right of center and step so much as a toe across the line the moderator will be on you, but if you're left of center you almost have to threaten to kill someone before he'll stir himself. For example, during the thread I have a question on Countries governed by Black governments I posted, among other things, this with regard to another poster speaking of Blacks being lucky to have gotten out of Africa and made it to the US. They have their own issues with a dumbass cultural belief system which admires gangsters and sees the government as the enemy, welfare as a right, and education as unimportant. For that I got the following from one Charles Anthony. Please avoid posting racism and bigotry. Comments like this are outrageous and unacceptable in this forum. I put it to you that my comments, especially in context, were not the least bit bigoted or racist. They were observations many have made on the problems with American black culture. On the other hand, comments like this: And the CHILD porn viewers. And apparently you, you sick f***. But maybe the cops have your IP number now. and this I bet you want to see the child porn. Are apparently perfectly acceptable because the people who made them are left of centre. Of course, there's no way of telling how many left of the center people are suspended or banned or warned vs right of center people, because the moderator won't tell you. I'll probably wind up being banned, but I'm coming to like this place less and less anyway entirely due to the moderation. I note whenever I look at old threads I see all kinds of intelligent frequent posters who are gone. I wonder why they left. There don't seem to be many people still here who are capable of having an intelligent conversation without insulting and ridiculing other posters. That in itself is a strong commentary on the moderation. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
guyser Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) I've come to suspect the moderation of this site is based largely on the ideological and political beliefs of the posters. Ie, if you're right of center and step so much as a toe across the line the moderator will be on you, but if you're left of center you almost have to threaten to kill someone before he'll stir himself. You suspect entirely wrong. Simple as that. Left right centre backwords and even Yankees have been banned. Its truly a multicultural equal opportunity banishment theory here at MLW. For example, during the thread I posted, among other things, this with regard to another poster speaking of Blacks being lucky to have gotten out of Africa and made it to the US. I put it to you that my comments, especially in context, were not the least bit bigoted or racist. They were observations many have made on the problems with American black culture. True many have made observations just like you did , plenty of them wore white peaked hats with only eye holes, some of them were Governers of the Great State of Louisiana and Alabama but generally they had one common trait....bigotry and racism. (and might as well add falsehood) On the other hand, comments like this: I bet you want to see the child porn. Are apparently perfectly acceptable because the people who made them are left of centre. No no , not at all ! They made those comments because you put in print how "I will hold off judging until I see the pics" What would any normal person think? You want to see the pics...not hard really. For that I got the following from one Charles Anthony. Please avoid posting racism and bigotry. Comments like this are outrageous and unacceptable in this forum. Uh oh... There don't seem to be many people still here who are capable of having an intelligent conversation without insulting and ridiculing other posters. That in itself is a strong commentary on the moderation. Put yourself in that camp buttercup! Lots of smart intelligent posters (why yes, at times I can be too!) still post here. Edited February 9, 2012 by guyser Quote
Scotty Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) You suspect entirely wrong. Simple as that. I will reply to you on this thread, though you are on my ignore list. One of only two people on it. You are consistently insulting, disrespectful, mocking and derisive in your posts. If this site were moderated according to its stated rules you would have been banned years ago. So your continued presence actually supports my contention that the site has different rules for different posters. Edited February 9, 2012 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
guyser Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I will reply to you on this thread, though you are on my ignore list. One of only two people on it. Im in good company I guess. I dont ignore anyone , always better to read their crazy bon mots than to miss them You are consistently insulting, disrespectful, mocking and derisive in your posts. If this site were moderated according to its stated rules you would have been banned years ago. So your continued presence actually supports my contention that the site has different rules for different posters. Actually I only do that to deserving posters. Silly posts denying the proof provided (can one say Crime Stats from Stats Can?), one making wild and unsubstantiated claims....all fodder for the fun factory. My presence is no proof of anything whether you think so or not. Whos to know if I have or have not been 'spoken to' in the past . While I may not be on speed dial , they know who I am. ( hint hint) Quote
The_Squid Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 Regardless of your political viewpoint, they are racist remarks. And they were not taken out of context, obviously. You should have considered yourself lucky that you only got a warning, (imo)! And yet, here you are.... trying to defend your racist remarks.... re-posting them. I'm guessing that the moderators won't like to be given the middle finger after they have posted a warning.... not smart. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) In all fairness, "I will hold off judging until I see the pics" reads to me as 'I'll hold off judgment until I see the evidence,' not 'I'd sure love to see some child porn!' So I read "I bet you want to see the child porn" as a personal insult, and I can understand why someone would be quite offended by it. But who's to say the poster wasn't warned about such comments? Edited February 9, 2012 by American Woman Quote
guyser Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 In all fairness, "I will hold off judging until I see the pics" reads to me as 'I'll hold off judgment until I see the evidence,' not 'I'd sure love to see some child porn!' So I read "I bet you want to see the child porn" as a personal insult, and I can understand why someone would be quite offended by it. I thought about that too, however either way you look at it, one can never see the evidence nor the pics which makes the point moot. Put the history of the poster behind the words, the soft stance that this is not 'really a crime' 'these are teenagers and not to be worried about' (all paraphrases)'no real evidence of harm' and so on....the conclusion people came to, and the allegations,becomes clearer. There are literally dozens of posters who, had they made that statement, would be asked for a clarification . Quote
Scotty Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Regardless of your political viewpoint, they are racist remarks. A Your ignorance is showing in equating my casual mention of a longstanding argument among social policy advocates in the US. Many prominent Black Americans have decried the gangsta culture, the anti-intellectualism, the sexual promiscuity and lackadaisical work ethic among Blacks. mentioning it isn't racism. first page of google search Edited February 9, 2012 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Posted February 10, 2012 Im in good company I guess. You were actually the only person in it until I put the shrill, hysterical woman who accused me of wanting to see child porn in there with you. Actually I only do that to deserving posters. Which in your estimation is about half the people here. And is there something in the rules which says you can be insulting and disrespectful as long as you only do it to "deserving posters"? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) In all fairness, "I will hold off judging until I see the pics" reads to me as 'I'll hold off judgment until I see the evidence,' not 'I'd sure love to see some child porn!' So I read "I bet you want to see the child porn" as a personal insult, and I can understand why someone would be quite offended by it. But who's to say the poster wasn't warned about such comments? What I actually said was I will reserve further judgement till I see exactly what 'child porn' they accessed, but as I've pointed out, this law can put people in prison for looking at pictures of a naked 17 year old. This in a discussion which involved the different elements of child pornography, and whether the material was in fact, depicting the rape of children or whether it was teenagers in front of web cams. What I find frustrating is you can't hold any kind of reasonable discussions on politically or morally controversial subjects because hysterical fools or ideologues will inevitably start sneering, mocking and insulting you. But if you reply in kind you risk being suspended. Edited February 10, 2012 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
guyser Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Your ignorance is showing in equating my casual mention of a longstanding argument among social policy advocates in the US. Many prominent Black Americans have decried the gangsta culture, the anti-intellectualism, the sexual promiscuity and lackadaisical work ethic among Blacks. mentioning it isn't racism. See, right here is the problem. You didnt casually mention anything, you stated a fact , a fact that you didnt come back and edit nor amend. Some people mock those types of statements. Capice? Maybe you should have couched it in those terms, alas , you did not. You opined they were all disinterested in education, wanted gangsta lives and so on. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Why not have a little respect for Chas? It's a thankless job that he volunteers to do. Don't post crap and you won/t have a problem. I'd ban you just for starting this thread. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
guyser Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Which in your estimation is about half the people here. And is there something in the rules which says you can be insulting and disrespectful as long as you only do it to "deserving posters"? Not half, probably less than ten percent. Nope, no rule like that at all. There are a wide variety of smart posters. Some are specifically knowledgeable about certain things. gbambino knows more about Parliament s rules and the way our system is set up than probably Parliament Hills Historian! There a thread on planes and weapons, good reading, knowledgeable insight from those involved. Black Dog knows his transit and how to lambast His Thighness Ford . All things military one has to give kudos to bush cheney, he knows his stuff Fisheries and all things water? Smallc is the man for that The point being, one can easily recognize anothers special knowledge or talent, just by reading. Mine is good looks and charm , but it doesnt come across in print so well. Quote
Scotty Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Posted February 10, 2012 Why not have a little respect for Chas? It's a thankless job that he volunteers to do. Don't post crap and you won/t have a problem. I'd ban you just for starting this thread. I've never been the one to slavishly kowtow to any kind of authority, especially when I think it's unfair. But if that's your thing, hey, go ahead and crawl. Maybe you'll get a pat on the head for being such a good little boy. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 ...I posted, among other things, this with regard to another poster speaking of Blacks being lucky to have gotten out of Africa and made it to the US. So in other words you are saying that slavery and the slave trade were good? Fascinating....but twisted perspective. But since you insist on challenging this forum's arbitrary moderation with such whining, I was suspended for comparing Heather Mallick to a pile of dog feces (with photo)...but it was worth it! Do you feel better now? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Let me count the ways... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wild Bill Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 I've never been the one to slavishly kowtow to any kind of authority, especially when I think it's unfair. But if that's your thing, hey, go ahead and crawl. Maybe you'll get a pat on the head for being such a good little boy. Scotty, there's an old saying: "Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity." I'm not at all suggesting that the moderation is stupid, at least not in intent. It's just that it can be inconsistent and unintelligent. You see, there is no formal moderation! Nobody spends their time reading threads every day, noting violations of the rules. That was announced months ago. Instead, we have informal moderators who have no real power except that of reporting to the few who actually are responsible for the site, like Charles Anthony. No doubt Charles has a life of his own and enough on his plate making a living. The same would be true of any others who share his position. So what we have is reactive moderation, rather than pro-active. Someone has to file a complaint before a warning is given. At that point, it's only human nature to deal with the immediate problem and not scroll through weeks if not months of posts to become familiar with a trend or repeated behavior. I suspect that at least part of your premise stems from what political stripe is more likely to complain about you...or anything else, for that matter! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Guest Manny Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 The Mods do not read every post. It would by unreasonable to expect them to. They have important things to do, they have a life. I heard they spend their days sipping hot cocoa and looking out the window, watching the world go by. The rules state that if there's a problem you're supposed to report it via the "Report" button. Then they'll be notified, and can act on it accordingly. Did you do that in your case? I suspect that at least part of your premise stems from what political stripe is more likely to complain about you...or anything else, for that matter! There may be some truth to this. Although, it would be interesting to know which users are repeatedly being suspended, and what their political stripe is. So far by the responses I think there is a trend appearing here... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Lefties complain. T'is their nature like the scorpion. What'dyah,do? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Scotty Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Posted February 10, 2012 But since you insist on challenging this forum's arbitrary moderation with such whining, I was suspended for comparing Heather Mallick to a pile of dog feces (with photo)...but it was worth it! Do you feel better now? No. Your continued existence on this site is, like Guyser's, a prime example of them not following their own rules. You insult people on a daily basis, and delight in trolling for Canadian nationalists. If this site were following its own rules you'd have been banned years ago. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Posted February 10, 2012 The rules state that if there's a problem you're supposed to report it via the "Report" button. Then they'll be notified, and can act on it accordingly. Did you do that in your case? I did, and nothing happened. Which is par for the course. Then I sent a message to the mods asking for clarrification, and was ignored. Instead I get that indignant note accusing me of making a racist post. And by the way where does it say in the rules that expressing racist or bigoted sentiments are against the rules anyway? I think that's just another example of the political correctness of the moderator. That's especially true given how widely he interprets the terms. And btw I was suspended on an earlier occasion, and I freely admit I broke the rules in insulting another poster. Of course, the other poster started the flames, as he routinely does, and he too was suspended. but that's why I hate the way this site is moderated. I can be insulted, and can't insult back without risking suspension. All I can do is send notes to the moderator who never answers or even acknowledges them. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
guyser Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 No. Your continued existence on this site is, like Guyser's, a prime example of them not following their own rules. You have said this twice, and both times you are wrong. People have been suspended for calling people names, including me. Hell, there even may have been a warning posted to my in the last couple of days....but I am unsure You insult people on a daily basis, and delight in trolling for Canadian nationalists. If this site were following its own rules you'd have been banned years ago. If you dont post erroneous info or maliciously slag the USA , bc2000 doesnt respond and one can have quite a good convo going.(normally) Troll? Er....nope. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 No. Your continued existence on this site is, like Guyser's, a prime example of them not following their own rules. You insult people on a daily basis, and delight in trolling for Canadian nationalists. If this site were following its own rules you'd have been banned years ago. Hey, this is a "private" forum with rules enforced by the owners. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Another member compared the US president to a "turd", but that was OK. It is what it is. For the record, I found your racist posting to be refreshing and revealing of your true mindset. In America, we call that free speech, but in Canada, it's called hate speech. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 In America, we call that free speech, but in Canada, it's called hate speech. Tsk tsk...no we don't since he does not advocate any harm coming to the targetted group. Free speech all the way. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Tsk tsk...no we don't since he does not advocate any harm coming to the targetted group. Free speech all the way. Sorry...I stand corrected. The inference that slavery was/is good for "black" Americans led me to think otherwise. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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