dpwozney Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Well if you think they can delist abortion then you think they can violate other charter rights as well? I doubt they want to try to delist abortion. But again, I don’t speak for the “Wildrose Party”, nor am I speaking for the “Wildrose Party”. Therefore, I don’t know why I am even being asked questions about the “Wildrose Party”. Edited April 15, 2012 by dpwozney Quote
dpwozney Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Again abortion has been ruled to be a Charter right. It is one of only a few Medicare services to be ruled a charter right. If true, such a ruling would have been made by people who stated their allegiance to Elizabeth the Second. Elizabeth the Second is not Queen of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”, contrary to the requirement in this Fifth Schedule, which states: “Oath of Allegiance I A.B. do swear, That I will be faithful and bear true Allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Victoria. Note. The Name of the King or Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for the Time being is to be substituted from Time to Time, with proper Terms of Reference thereto.”. Elizabeth the Second claims to be Queen of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”. The provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick expressed their desire to be federally united into one Dominion under the Crown of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland”, not the Crown of the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”, according to the British North America Act, 1867. Edited April 15, 2012 by dpwozney Quote
Newfoundlander Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 They can't delist it, it is a Charter right. They would lose a Charter Challenge easy. This is why PEI and NB pay for abortions Morgentaler et al. v. Her Majesty The Queen 1988 New Brunswick only pays for medically necessary abortions and PEI doesn't pay. Quote
punked Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) New Brunswick only pays for medically necessary abortions and PEI doesn't pay. PEI does pay again for medically necessary ones but you must leave the Island to get it. It is a Charter right. As for medically necessary that does not mean life or death it means you get a doctor to sign off. Edited April 15, 2012 by punked Quote
waldo Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 I don’t speak for the “Wildrose Party”, nor am I speaking for the “Wildrose Party”.However, according to CBC News, “Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith said she has absolutely no intention of legislating on abortion, and that includes delisting”. will the real Danielle Smith stand-up? Danielle Smith: “…abortions are a horrific practice… Any politician who challenges the status quo gets pilloried by the media, abortion-rights groups and opposing politicians…the taxpayer should not be on the hook to pay for it.” Quote
waldo Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 more of the real Danielle Smith... in her own words (h/t W.Kinsella): - On university behaviour codes: “It is perfectly reasonable [to] expect its students to refrain from practices that are biblically condemned, and sign a pledge not to get drunk, swear, harass, lie, cheat, steal, have an abortion, practise the occult, or engage in sexual sins such as premarital sex, adultery, homosexual behaviour and viewing of pornography.” Calgary Herald May 21, 2001 - On two-tier health care: “Bring it on.” Calgary Herald, June 1, 2003 - On queue jumping: “We already do have this two-tier system, so why not allow people to pay for private services?” Global TV, June 1, 2003 - On democracy: “Democracy is pure theatre.” Calgary Herald, August 3, 2003 - On the courts: “The courts are out of control [because they have been] striking down the abortion law, the change in the traditional definition of marriage, the legalization of swingers’ clubs.” Calgary Herald January 14, 2006 - On overriding Charter rights: “There are ways around the [notwithstanding] clause.” Calgary Herald January 14, 2006 …and on what she really thinks of the leader she now claims is a friend? - On Stephen Harper: ”He’s blown his moderate credentials, he got some of his facts wrong and he has come across as a kooky conspiracy theorist.” Calgary Herald, September 14, 2003 oh my! Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 NDP is pro labour. It's a shame that more workers don't vote in their own interest. I find it very ironic when I drive down a lower-income street of condo's/townhouses/rentals and see conservative signs up. Conservatives don't serve the interests of those people. Conservatives only start to serve your interests when your wage is getting above 60k. Alberta has it's own ironic insanity. The Wild Rose party is pulling votes of Libertarians and Social Conservatives. Albertan social conservatives must not understand the definition of libertarian... Nothing like chickens voting for Col. Sanders,huh? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dpwozney Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 Well if you think they can delist abortion then you think they can violate other charter rights as well? Delisting abortion services does not mean that people would no longer have the right to abortion services. Emergency medical services or ambulance services are delisted, and people still have the right to emergency medical services or ambulance services. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 New Brunswick only pays for medically necessary abortions and PEI doesn't pay. PEI does pay, but they have no clinic. NB has tied the funding thing up in court indefinitely. They're going to lose the case eventually. In the meantime, they think they're saving money. Quote
punked Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 Delisting abortion services does not mean that people would no longer have the right to abortion services. Emergency medical services or ambulance services are delisted, and people still have the right to emergency medical services or ambulance services. Neither of those are charter rights. Quote
dpwozney Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 Neither of those are charter rights. Can you prove neither emergency medical services nor ambulance services are charter rights? Quote
punked Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 Can you prove neither emergency medical services nor ambulance services are charter rights? I can not but I can tell you no one has spent the money it takes to go to supreme court to find out if they are charter rights. Quote
madmax Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) I dont speak for the Wildrose Party, nor am I speaking for the Wildrose Party. However, according to CBC News, Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith said she has absolutely no intention of legislating on abortion, and that includes delisting. She is a perfect politician.. Talking out of both sides of her mouth. One side will be what she does... fact is, I can't figure out which group she is pandering towards and which group she really supports with her position, but right now she has it both ways. We will find out once the election is over and WildRose is in power. I see a Majority Government coming.. the PCs look tired, sound tired... Edited April 16, 2012 by madmax Quote
Boges Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Nothing wrong with DeListing Abortion. I have to pay for my dentist, prescription drugs and eyecare but it's the taxpayer's responsibility to have an unwanted fetus sucked out? Edited April 16, 2012 by Boges Quote
madmax Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 Nothing wrong with DeListing Abortion. I have to pay for my dentist, prescription drugs and eyecare but it's the taxpayer's responsibility to Are you bragging or complaining? have an unwanted fetus sucked out? yes! Quote
madmax Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 Seems rather unfair to me. You might want to focus your time on getting prescriptions, eyeglasses and dentistry listed... Quote
Boges Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 You might want to focus your time on getting prescriptions, eyeglasses and dentistry listed... Not something that takes up a lot of my time. Just making a point. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 She is a perfect politician.. Talking out of both sides of her mouth. One side will be what she does... fact is, I can't figure out which group she is pandering towards and which group she really supports with her position, but right now she has it both ways. We will find out once the election is over and WildRose is in power. I see a Majority Government coming.. the PCs look tired, sound tired... It's unfortunate that electors fall for this crap and don't punish politicians like this. When a politician talks out of both sides of his or her mouth, voters need to punish them. Otherwise, that's what we'll continue to get because they'll be rewarded for their dishonesty. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 Not something that takes up a lot of my time. Just making a point. A poor one that was easily shattered with madmax's preceding reply. Quote
Boges Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 A poor one that was easily shattered with madmax's preceding reply. How so? Can you prove that Abortion is an essential medical procedure? Quote
cybercoma Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 You're comparing a woman having to carry a child to term, give birth to it, and be a mother before she is ready to having your teeth cleaned. Just to put your argument into context here. Quote
Boges Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) You're comparing a woman having to carry a child to term, give birth to it, and be a mother before she is ready to having your teeth cleaned. Just to put your argument into context here. No I'm just saying she should maybe pay for the abortion she can choose to have or perhaps think of other more effective forms of birth control. Edited April 16, 2012 by Boges Quote
cybercoma Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 No I'm just saying she should maybe pay for it or perhaps think of other more effective forms of birth control. So you want to restrict access to abortions to only those that can afford it. You want more teen mothers and suicides too. As for finding "other more effective forms of birth control," it's pretty tough to find a more effective form of birth control after your find out you're pregnant. Quote
Boges Posted April 16, 2012 Report Posted April 16, 2012 So you want to restrict access to abortions to only those that can afford it. You want more teen mothers and suicides too. As for finding "other more effective forms of birth control," it's pretty tough to find a more effective form of birth control after your find out you're pregnant. Well if you can't afford prescription drugs then doesn't the government step in? Ditto with dental care? So if it can be proven you have no other option than a publicly-funded abortion then OK let the gumint be on the dime. But it shouldn't be the default response by the healthcare system IMHO. I'd say many decisions to have an abortion are as a result of bad choices. Quote
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