Post To The Left Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Posted February 8, 2012 I'm refering to Canada... With the death of the KeyStone pipeline I wonder if Harper is serious about selling building a pipeline to the Pacific to sell to China. Quote
jbg Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I suspect that Wild Bill, and most members of this forum of course, also predicted that Russian citizens and their elected government would become an ally of the West and an enemy of "Red China" when they had won their freedom 20 years ago. It would be true if the West treated Russia as an equal, which is what Russian always wants but the West won't give them, so just as everyone has seen, Russia has become an ally of China on this vote. Somehow the West caused Russia, post 1991, to deteriorate into an alcohol and gang-fueled mess during the relatively free period under Yeltsin? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wild Bill Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 I suspect that Wild Bill, and most members of this forum of course, also predicted that Russian citizens and their elected government would become an ally of the West and an enemy of "Red China" when they had won their freedom 20 years ago. It would be true if the West treated Russia as an equal, which is what Russian always wants but the West won't give them, so just as everyone has seen, Russia has become an ally of China on this vote. Hey, don't bother trying to convince me! You've got all those Arabs to convince! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
DogOnPorch Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) With the death of the KeyStone pipeline I wonder if Harper is serious about selling building a pipeline to the Pacific to sell to China. He's your PM. Ask him. Edited February 9, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Post To The Left Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Posted February 9, 2012 Somehow the West caused Russia, post 1991, to deteriorate into an alcohol and gang-fueled mess during the relatively free period under Yeltsin? It's called capitalism uninhibited capitalism, everything is for sale in Russia. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 9, 2012 Report Posted February 9, 2012 With the death of the KeyStone pipeline I wonder if Harper is serious about selling building a pipeline to the Pacific to sell to China. I would not have a problem selling the oil to China .. as one poster here points out in his signature .... Economics trumps virtue. Quote
xul Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 Hey, don't bother trying to convince me! You've got all those Arabs to convince! As a humbly common individual, I'm not aware I'm so significiant that I need to convince anybody for China As for China, honestly, as a rising great power, sometimes saying No is more convincing for showing its significance than always saying Yes. Quote
xul Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Somehow the West caused Russia, post 1991, to deteriorate into an alcohol and gang-fueled mess during the relatively free period under Yeltsin? Maybe Russian themselves should be responsible for the mess-up in their country after communist regime collapsed, but what about those new NATO members and missile shield bases around Russia? Let's go back to the thread. If Russian may mess up their country after the dictatorship collapsed and then blame the West responsible for their woe, it is unlikely that those self-bombing-prone Arabian tribes will live in piece each other after their dictators were NATO-bombed down and will be grateful for what the West did for them. Edited February 10, 2012 by xul Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 10, 2012 Report Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) China should just zip it when it comes to defending the veto. They're selfish boobs who care more about their own interests than human lives, we get it, no explanation needed. And Canada and whoever else wants to criticize them are a giant bunch of hypocrites because they do similar things, be it in the UN, the WTO, or a myriad of other conduits. States are self-interested and act as such. Realism got that part bang-on. Why care about other humans or the rest of the natural world if it doesn't benefit you, right? Edited February 10, 2012 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
jbg Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 China should just zip it when it comes to defending the veto. I don't know why so much oxygen is wasted about the U.N. It's resolutions have no teeth. It has no purpose. The West should get out. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Moonlight Graham Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 I don't know why so much oxygen is wasted about the U.N. It's resolutions have no teeth. It has no purpose. The West should get out. Would you rather go back to the days pre-WWII, with entangling alliances that led to much war (including a big reason for WWI)? Collective security seems to work pretty good, though not perfect, and since WWII many of the most moronic wars involving the great powers haven't been sanctioned by the UNSC. Also, one of the most important benefits of the UN is that at least it gets everyone to the table. Incl. rival states that would otherwise barely if ever talk to each other. A history of the UN shows it has A LOT of useful purpose, and its flaws can't take that away. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
WWWTT Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 I suspect that the citizens of Syria, when they have won their freedom, will remember who are their friends and who aren't. And they won't believe those who speak Chinese or Russian are their friends! No doubt the rest of the brave people of other countries in that region who are involved in the "Arab Spring" movement have also seen for themselves. Yes I just hope that the new leaders are an improvement just like the Taliban was supposed to be after they kicked out the Soviets.Oh wait thats a bad example! Then maybe the Karzai government after NATO kicked out the Taliban.Oh but the Afgans are producing even more herion now and human rights have not changed at all.Not to mention the widespread corruption!Ok thats another bad example too! I'm scratching my head trying to find a good example here please help. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 I suspect that Wild Bill, and most members of this forum of course, also predicted that Russian citizens and their elected government would become an ally of the West and an enemy of "Red China" when they had won their freedom 20 years ago. It would be true if the West treated Russia as an equal, which is what Russian always wants but the West won't give them, so just as everyone has seen, Russia has become an ally of China on this vote. Excellent point made! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 Actually, it's Hu Jintao that's performing the lap dance. We have oil that they want and need. Then why does Canada have a record deficit/debt? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 Free Tibet. Actually Maoists are the majority in Tibet. Aswell as in Nepal. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 Great post! Their hate and derangement of Stephen Harper has put them on the side of defending Russia and China, and essentially the Syrian regime. That's why we call it Harper Derangement Syndrome. Did you ever wonder how many more people would die if the west went into Syria and started bombing targets? Maybe you think that when the west kills people its a good thing but when anyone else kills people its a bad thing? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
jbg Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Also, one of the most important benefits of the UN is that at least it gets everyone to the table. Incl. rival states that would otherwise barely if ever talk to each other. A history of the UN shows it has A LOT of useful purpose, and its flaws can't take that away. You are kidding aren't you? Look at the proliferation of wars among many of its member states. And the flagrant disregard of the U.N. Charter of Rights in most of its member countries. If the thugocracies want to fund the U.N. who is stopping them? Why should I? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 You are kidding aren't you? Look at the proliferation of wars among many of its member states. And the flagrant disregard of the U.N. Charter of Rights in most of its member countries. If the thugocracies want to fund the U.N. who is stopping them? Why should I? I think theres actually been a fair bit less war since the UN was formed. In any case, you pay because it gives you a veto on the UNSC. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jbg Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 I think theres actually been a fair bit less war since the UN was formed. In any case, you pay because it gives you a veto on the UNSC. As far as there being less war if you use base years 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 you'd be right. If you use the interwar period and the colonial ear ex-those periods you'd be dead wrong. As far as paying for a U.N. veto I'd rather spend the money helping real people. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 As far as there being less war if you use base years 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 you'd be right. If you use the interwar period and the colonial ear ex-those periods you'd be dead wrong. As far as paying for a U.N. veto I'd rather spend the money helping real people. China pays your share anyways... its not costing you a dime, and the veto is usefull for protecting your various proxies from the enforcement of international law, you can be sure the US has no plans of giving that up any time soon. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Post To The Left Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Posted February 12, 2012 China pays your share anyways... its not costing you a dime, and the veto is usefull for protecting your various proxies from the enforcement of international law, you can be sure the US has no plans of giving that up any time soon. Yeah, if the UN was so useless why doesn't America give up its veto? It's just a toothless paper dragon anyway. Quote
jbg Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Yeah, if the UN was so useless why doesn't America give up its veto? It's just a toothless paper dragon anyway. Because the politically correct crowd has made it impossible for even Reagan or Bush II to drop out of that high-speed train wreck. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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