Zbig: Israelis “bought influence” and outmaneuvered Obama

[bud]

It's not personal for me....anybody can log on here and rant high and low about the evils of Israel and "US support", then they will drive across the border for cheap gas and cigarettes. What makes the righteous in Canada so comfortable with such obvious cognitive dissonance? Boycott the evil empire!

now you're saying that criticism is only qualified if there is a boycott. you sure have a lot of rules set in place.

hey, i'm a canadian who will continue to criticize the u.s. and might even drive to seattle to take advantage of cheaper flights.

That kind of laughable schtick won't work...Americans don't cower at the first sign of conflict like you....we thrive on it. Try as you might, you are still going to have to deal with the Big Dog that has Israel's back, just like it has Canada's back. Go fix your own PalestIndian problems first.

the big dog's only reason for backing israel is because the backing is bought. the big dog will sacrifice the security of its own people in order to back some other country. being a true patriot, you're A OK with that.

woof woof.

Edited January 30, 2012 by bud

[bush_cheney2004]

...hey, i'm a canadian who will continue to criticize the u.s. and might even drive to seattle to take advantage of cheaper flights.

I know, but don't worry, you will always have plenty of company bitching about US foreign policy just the same.

the big dog's only reason for backing israel is because the backing is bought. the big dog will sacrifice the security of its own people in order to back some other country. being a true patriot, you're A OK with that.

Sure am...see South Korea, South Vietnam, Kuwait, France, China, and oh yea, your royal favorite...the United Kingdom and it's lost Empire.

woof woof.

...the sound of a happy dog in a new Israeli settlement!

[Bob]

He was also known as a longtime foe of Jews. Do you dig up every Jew-hater?

Zbigniew Brezinski is known for being very hostile to Israel and Jewish national interests. It's pretty much poured over into his wholesale subscription to the anti-Semitic narrative of excessive "Jewish influence" in Washington. It is essentially a modern iteration of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a bestseller in many Muslim-majority countries and a favorite among anti-Semites on the internet), with the new master plan for global domination now being advanced by Jews Zionists. Popular profiteering off of this anti-Semitic historical-political narrative has manifested itself in such titles as "The Israel Lobby".

Brezinski said, not to long ago, that if Israel were to mobilize its airforce towards striking Iran's nuclear weaponry development facilities, that the American military should shoot down the bombers should they fly over American-occupied territory. That's just one of many examples I can provide of Brezinski's absurd anti-Israel positions and rhetoric.

[Bob]

as far as i know, you call anyone who criticizes israel a jew-hater.

so unless you have some examples of how he is a 'jew-hater', then your comment will be treated as another meaningless, DoP-esque comment.

Your OP is an example of him being a bona-fide anti-Semite, with his parroting of the Jews as puppet masters who control the American government. He has no credibility on these issues when he says such absurdities. Naturally, you will parrot these ridiculous assertions as valid. We expect that from you.

[bud]

bob - if there were chinese groups paying millions of dollars towards campaigns of american politicians in order to influence their foreign policy and people criticized this, would you be crying racism?

when israeli lobby groups and billionaires such as the extreme zionist sheldon adelson are throwing money at politicians in order to influence their agenda, it's legitimate to discuss it. you can continue to cry anti-semitism all you want, it's not going to change the fact that:

Enter 78-year old Sheldon Adelson, the world's 16th richest man, with $23 billion at his disposal. His empire is anchored in the west in Las Vegas, in the east in Macao, with a further stake in Israel, whence his second wife hails. On Israel, Adelson entertains harsh views on the advisability of negotiations of any sort with Palestinians and lately has been lobbying fiercely – he owns the largest circulation newspaper in Israel – for an attack on Iran.

When Newt Gingrich, fishing for Zionist money, abandoned his previous relatively temperate posture on the Israel/Palestine issue, and declared that Palestinians were an "invented people", he was directing his remarks to an audience of one.

Adelson was exceedingly pleased and expressed his pleasure in material terms, with a further $5 million, now staking Gingrich's campaign ads in South Carolina. To date Adelson has donated about $13 million to Gingrich's campaign – a US record.

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Edited February 15, 2012 by bud

[Bob]

There are Chinese groups paying millions to lobby the government of the USA. And Muslim/Arab groups (who have far more influence on American foreign policy). And Russian groups. And environmentalist groups. And pharmaceutical lobbies. And oil and gas lobbies. And on and on and on. Of course, none of them matter to a Jew hater like yourself who sees an evil Jew under his mattress and hiding behind every corner, pulling the strings of society. It's funny how Obama, who set new records for a presidential campaign budget in 2008, is ignored by you - while he is poised to set a new record this year. Of course, you'll just parrot some lies about it being "grass roots" money, ignoring the millions Soros poured into PACs and other left-wing interests.

Edited February 15, 2012 by Bob

[bud]

a Jew hater like yourself

you're a coward for using the 'jew hater' card.

[DogOnPorch]

you're a coward for using the 'jew hater' card.

Meh...paints what he sees.

[bud]

no foreign lobby group has anywhere close to the influence israel has over the american government and its foreign policies. not only has that been demonstrated in the examples i've posted but there is more and more discussion about it and some of it is getting into the mainstream. like harvard professors john mearsheimer and stephen walt's (who happen to be jew-haters - which would make them self hater), paper and book describing what we're talking about. the following is from the paper:

AIPAC and its allies (including Christian Zionists) have no serious opponents in the lobbying world. They know it has become more difficult to make Israel’s case today, and they are responding by taking on staff and expanding their activities. Besides, American politicians remain acutely sensitive to campaign contributions and other forms of political pressure, and major media outlets are likely to remain sympathetic to Israel no matter what it does.

The Lobby’s influence causes trouble on several fronts. It increases the terrorist danger that all states face – including America’s European allies. It has made it impossible to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, a situation that gives extremists a powerful recruiting tool, increases the pool of potential terrorists and sympathisers, and contributes to Islamic radicalism in Europe and Asia.

Equally worrying, the Lobby’s campaign for regime change in Iran and Syria could lead the US to attack those countries, with potentially disastrous effects. We don’t need another Iraq. At a minimum, the Lobby’s hostility towards Syria and Iran makes it almost impossible for Washington to enlist them in the struggle against al-Qaida and the Iraqi insurgency, where their help is badly needed.

Edited February 16, 2012 by bud

[bud]

look at the embarrassing display of the united states congress when they stumble over each other to clap for their king, 29 times.

[jbg]

no foreign lobby group has anywhere close to the influence israel has over the american government and its foreign policies. not only has that been demonstrated in the examples i've posted but there is more and more discussion about it and some of it is getting into the mainstream. like harvard professors john mearsheimer and stephen walt's (who happen to be jew-haters - which would make them self hater), paper and book describing what we're talking about. the following is from the paper:

AIPAC and its allies (including Christian Zionists) have no serious opponents in the lobbying world. They know it has become more difficult to make Israel’s case today, and they are responding by taking on staff and expanding their activities. Besides, American politicians remain acutely sensitive to campaign contributions and other forms of political pressure, and major media outlets are likely to remain sympathetic to Israel no matter what it does.

It seems much harder, in the wake of the "Arab spring" to make a case for Israel's opponents.