Iran, such kidders!

[Guest Peeves]

If you pull a tiger's tail you may get your lunch eaten.

See Operation Praying Mantis for a likely scenario in such an event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

Don't return Aircraft carrier says Iran: !

Tension continues to build between Iran and the US, with Iran's army chief warning today that Tehran will take action if a US aircraft carrier returns to the Persian Gulf. The carrier was spotted there last week during Iran's 10 days of naval exercises, but left for the Sea of Oman. "I recommend and emphasize to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," Ataollah Salehi told IRNA, adding, "We are not in the habit of warning more than once."

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9007270216

:D :lol:

You have to give them credit, they have a sense of humor.

Foreign Warships Will Need Iran's Permission to Pass through Strait of Hormoz

TEHRAN (FNA)- All foreign warships will soon be unable to pass through the Strait of Hormoz unless they first receive a permission from the Iranian Navy ships deployed in the region, an Iranian parliamentarian said, adding that the country's lawmakers are now working on a relevant plan as the strategic waterway is part of the Iranian territories.

"If the military vessels and warships of any country want to pass via the Strait of Hormoz without coordination and permission of Iran's Navy forces, they should be stopped by the Iranian Armed Forces," Nader Qazipour told FNA, explaining about the contents of the plan.

[DogOnPorch]

Yeah...saw that yesterday. These are getting to be fightin' words.

[Guest Peeves]

Yeah...saw that yesterday. These are getting to be fightin' words.

I think there will be a Persian Spring eventually in Iran.

[Post To The Left]

I think there will be a Persian Spring eventually in Iran.

The internal conflicts in Iran are really interesting. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doesn't have the blessing of the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei who constantly humiliates him. His political ally and who he wants to pass power to, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, is totally outcast by the regime for his non-Islamic naturalist views.

Meanwhile the Revolutionary Guard is gaining more and more power while the opposition sits on the sidelines waiting a fair election so that it take power. 2012 will be interesting for Iran especially if its ally Syria falls to the Arab Spring ... part II.

[sharkman]

Iran are indeed such kidders. I recall the several times Israel's existance has been threatened, although that particular joke probably did better in Arab nations where they would get the punch line a little better. Then too the knee slapper that they need nuclear power, the country that is awash in oil. Such kidders they are! Then there was the one about only wanting nuclear technology for its energy benefits, what a hoot!

And now they, wink wink, threaten to close the Strait of Hormuz, just kidding!! As oil prices jump around in response I'm sure people all over the world are killing themselves laughing at that one.

An Iranian Spring would be a good thing, but I just don't see that coming.

Edited January 6, 2012 by sharkman

[Wild Bill]

Iran are indeed such kidders. I recall the several times Israel's existance has been threatened, although that particular joke probably did better in Arab nations where they would get the punch line a little better. Then too the knee slapper that they need nuclear power, the country that is awash in oil. Such kidders they are! Then there was the one about only wanting nuclear technology for its energy benefits, what a hoot!

And now they, wink wink, threaten to close the Strait of Hormuz, just kidding!! As oil prices jump around in response I'm sure people all the world are killing themselves laughing at that one.

An Iranian Spring would be a good thing, but I just don't see that coming.

Yeah, they sure have a sense of humour! Of course their Arab country neighbours won't mind any inconvenience to their own oil shipments! They'll be glad to cooperate!

I'm sure the Saudi ambassador will personally express his thanks to Iran, not to mention Kuwait, Bahrain and all the others. No doubt the new populist government being formed in Libya will be extremely friendly to Iran, or the people in Egypt, or Yemen.

Just curious, does Iran have ANY other Arab country friends? Except for Syria of course but they have their own problems.

I had to chuckle over Iran waiting till the US aircraft carrier had left on its own before mouthing off. They never made a peep while it was there!

Whatever, if the balloon goes up I hope Harper makes Canadians proud and stands behind the Americans, unlike that opportunistic and wishy-washy Chretien.

Edited January 5, 2012 by Wild Bill

[maple_leafs182]

TEHRAN — Iran faced the prospect on Thursday of cutbacks in its oil sales to China and Japan as new measures to cut off Tehran’s crude exports appeared to be driving its economy to the wall.

The developments in Asia follow news on Wednesday that EU leaders had agreed to halt European purchases of Iranian crude.

China, Iran’s biggest trade partner, has already cut its purchases of Iranian oil by more than half this month and will extend the cuts to February, a Beijing-based trader who deals with Iranian oil said.

Japan will consider cutbacks in its Iranian oil purchases to secure a waiver from new U.S. sanctions signed into law on New Year’s Eve by President Barack Obama, a government source said.

Between them, China, the EU and Japan buy about half of Iran’s exports of 2.6 million barrels of oil per day.

Source

We are destroying Iran's ability to make a living, so many innocent people in Iran will suffer as a result.

[bud]

just because no one likes the iranian government, it doesn't mean that you should be spreading false information.

I recall the several times Israel's existance has been threatened,

ahmadinejad has said he wants to wipe out the regime which is a reference to the zionist regime. there is a difference with what you and the other misguided people say and reality.

obama is doing his best to not give into pressure of bibi/likud/aipac in regards to an attack on iran. but those election fundraisers are calling and he could have problems in the coming year. especially if ron paul, an anti-war candidate, wins the gop nomination.

harper would not get into a war with iran. he'll only go as far as kissing the israeli lobby's ass.

[sharkman]

just because no one likes the iranian government, it doesn't mean that you should be spreading false information.

ahmadinejad has said he wants to wipe out the regime which is a reference to the zionist regime. there is a difference with what you and the other misguided people say and reality.

obama is doing his best to not give into pressure of bibi/likud/aipac in regards to an attack on iran. but those election fundraisers are calling and he could have problems in the coming year. especially if ron paul, an anti-war candidate, wins the gop nomination.

harper would not get into a war with iran. he'll only go as far as kissing the israeli lobby's ass.

Perhaps you should tell the NYTimes to stop spreading false informationtoo.

Referring to comments by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, Admadinejad said, "As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map." Ahmadinejad's predecessor, Mohammad Khatami, in contrast, proposed a dialogue among civilizations and pursued a policy of détente.

Further, maybe when you accuse someone of spreading false information you should at least have something to back your statement up with besides bluster.

[Wild Bill]

We are destroying Iran's ability to make a living, so many innocent people in Iran will suffer as a result.

The regime has a choice -they can lighten up!

The Iranian people have a choice - they can overthrow their rulers!

The world does not have to allow the rulers of Iran to become a nuclear power just to look after the Iranian people. It is the Iranian government's responsibility to look after the Iranian people!

[maple_leafs182]

The regime has a choice -they can lighten up!

The Iranian people have a choice - they can overthrow their rulers!

The world does not have to allow the rulers of Iran to become a nuclear power just to look after the Iranian people. It is the Iranian government's responsibility to look after the Iranian people!

I really don't think Iran is as big of a threat as everyone is saying, I think it is just war propaganda. Putting these sanctions on Iran is an act of war, it will only lead to bigger problems. This kind of stuff makes it easier for terrorist organizations to recruit people.

[August1991]

Yeah, they sure have a sense of humour!

They do. The Iranians will back off.

[August1991]

There are two sides to Persia: West and East.

But leaders on both Middle East sides are flakes, like that Libyan fool who died at home but let his family go abroad - or the Saudi royal family. Or the Taliban, or Muslim Brotherhood.

Or this Syrian guy - the British dentist - who will soon escape abroad, because his wife wants him too.

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Whether Iran, Syria or Saudi, we in the West are facing paper tigers.

Galileo, Voltaire, Michelangelo, Copernik understood this better than we in this 21st century. These Renaissance/Enlightenment European men gave us strong intellectual support to confront ignorance and superstition.

We in the West should have the confidence of our beliefs.

Edited January 6, 2012 by August1991

[Guest American Woman]

Tension continues to build between Iran and the US, with Iran's army chief warning today that Tehran will take action if a US aircraft carrier returns to the Persian Gulf. The carrier was spotted there last week during Iran's 10 days of naval exercises, but left for the Sea of Oman. "I recommend and emphasize to the American carrier not to return to the Persian Gulf," Ataollah Salehi told IRNA, adding, "We are not in the habit of warning more than once."

Oh, the irony. The navy carrier in question was part of a US rescue of 13 Iranian fisherman from Somali pirates.

Just days after Iranian and American military officials traded warnings over a U.S. Navy vessel's departure from the Persian Gulf, the United States Navy has rescued 13 Iranian fishermen and their fishing dhow from Somali pirates in the north Arabian sea, the Pentagon said Friday. And in a side irony that punctuates the rare instance of Iranian-American co-operation,

the rescue operation was carried out by a ship belonging to the very U.S. Navy aircraft carrier strike group that Iranian army officials had earlier boasted of evicting from Gulf waters.

link

Edited January 6, 2012 by American Woman

[GostHacked]

Oh, the irony. The navy carrier in question was part of a US rescue of 13 Iranian fisherman from Somali pirates.

Just days after Iranian and American military officials traded warnings over a U.S. Navy vessel's departure from the Persian Gulf, the United States Navy has rescued 13 Iranian fishermen and their fishing dhow from Somali pirates in the north Arabian sea, the Pentagon said Friday. And in a side irony that punctuates the rare instance of Iranian-American co-operation,

the rescue operation was carried out by a ship belonging to the very U.S. Navy aircraft carrier strike group that Iranian army officials had earlier boasted of evicting from Gulf waters.

link

The carrier group was already there before they suddenly 'rescued' these Iranians. The sole reason the carrier group is there is to let Iran know they are there. Something is not right with this story to me.

[Wild Bill]

The carrier group was already there before they suddenly 'rescued' these Iranians. The sole reason the carrier group is there is to let Iran know they are there. Something is not right with this story to me.

Well, if I was under attack by Somali pirates I don't think Iran would be the first I would call...

[Guest American Woman]

The carrier group was already there before they suddenly 'rescued' these Iranians. The sole reason the carrier group is there is to let Iran know they are there. Something is not right with this story to me.

An American naval patrol accompanying the USS John C Stennis responded to a distress call issued by the captain of the MV Al Molai, an Iranian-flagged fishing vessel.

The USS Kidd, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, despatched a rescue team that boarded the boat, freeing the crew which had been held captive for 40 days.

link

Sounds as if they were 'rescued' to me.

[DogOnPorch]

I dunno, AW. The Illuminati, Gnomes of Zurich and the Cattle Mutilators with the help of ACLU could have easily planted that Iranian boat as part of an obvious false flag operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game)

Great family card game if you can find it.

[Guest American Woman]

I dunno, AW. The Illuminati, Gnomes of Zurich and the Cattle Mutilators with the help of ACLU could have easily planted that Iranian boat as part of an obvious false flag operation.

Yep. Obviously it was all planned in advance. The U.S. staged the kidnapping of Iranian fishermen by actors playing the part of Somali pirates all on the chance that Iran would at some point ban U.S. carriers from the Persian Gulf and the U.S. could be there to 'rescue' the Iranian fishermen. That's so much more believable! Which is why a US rescue of Iranians is getting so little response here. Had the US threatened the fishermen, the thread would be abuzz with 'evil America' responses, and it would provide another opportunity to once more declare that the U.S. had it coming - a reminder of why Americans were asking for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game)

Great family card game if you can find it.

There are a few here who would excel at that game.

[DogOnPorch]

There are a few here who would excel at that game.

Note the open beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Illuminatigame.jpg

[Wild Bill]

Yep. Obviously it was all planned in advance. The U.S. staged the kidnapping of Iranian fishermen by actors playing the part of Somali pirates all on the chance that Iran would at some point ban U.S. carriers from the Persian Gulf and the U.S. could be there to 'rescue' the Iranian fishermen. That's so much more believable! Which is why a US rescue of Iranians is getting so little response here. Had the US threatened the fishermen, the thread would be abuzz with 'evil America' responses, and it would provide another opportunity to once more declare that the U.S. had it coming - a reminder of why Americans were asking for it.

You forgot a few things,AW! First off, the entire rescue operation was actually filmed on a stage lot in Arizona. Also, the Somalis were actually aliens!

There is an autopsy of one showing internal organs that set off a buzzer when removed that you can find on youtube if you google deep enough. The nose also lights up when the surgeon doing the cutting slips with his scalpel.

What is even more of a secret is the fact that the dead Somali/alien in the youtube clip was killed by Steven Harper.

Edited January 7, 2012 by Wild Bill

[Guest American Woman]

Note the open beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Illuminatigame.jpg

Makes the game that much better - even if the beer is an import.

You forgot a few things,AW! First off, the entire rescue operation was actually filmed on a stage lot in Arizona. .....

Don't know how I could have missed the obvious, of course it was filmed on a movie set - the vessel wasn't even in the Persian Gulf; and when I read that the fishermen were treated politely, I should have known that Canadians were involved.

But all kidding aside, it appears as if Iran has expressed thanks for the rescue:

TEHRAN, Iran—Iran's government on Saturday welcomed the U.S. Navy's rescue of 13 Iranian fishermen held by pirates, calling it a positive humanitarian gesture.

Iran welcomes US rescue of sailors from pirates

Although "Iran's hard-line Fars news agency had a different take, calling the rescue operation a Hollywood dramatization of a routine event." Evidently filming it makes it look as if the US is attempting to look like a savior. But of course if it weren't filmed, there would be doubts/denials from some as to what actually occurred - and I'm sure there would be false allegations made by some. It was lucky for Israel that there were videos of what actually happened with the 'Gaza freedom flotilla.'

Can't win for losing.

[GostHacked]

I dunno, AW. The Illuminati, Gnomes of Zurich and the Cattle Mutilators with the help of ACLU could have easily planted that Iranian boat as part of an obvious false flag operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_(game)

Great family card game if you can find it.

It's a simple time line thing. The US was in the waters long before this SOS call came from the Iranians.

[DogOnPorch]

It's a simple time line thing. The US was in the waters long before this SOS call came from the Iranians.

You do know that the 5th Fleet is a semi-permanent thing that has been 'in the waters' since 1995. Before that the area was the 7th Fleet's responsibility. Of course you do.

[August1991]

I dunno, AW. The Illuminati, Gnomes of Zurich and the Cattle Mutilators with the help of ACLU could have easily planted that Iranian boat as part of an obvious false flag operation.

This argument is not so foolish.

If the US decides to eliminate Iran's nuclear capability (or condones Israeli action), any/all arguments will be used to justify the action. As they say, any port in a storm.

Let me be plain: the US government is not organizing this. But it will use any argument after the fact to justify its actions.

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IMV, the US made a mistake in July 1990 when Bush Snr/US Ambassador in Baghdad did not accurately convey to Saddam the consequences of an invasion of Kuwait. Saddam Hussein is now dead, and so is Muammur Gaddafi.

IOW, Obama has all the cards in his hand to issue a credible threat.

Edited January 8, 2012 by August1991