Bob Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 I'm speaking of US interference in Iranian politics. Aside from this bearing absolutely no relevance to this thread, would you please elaborate on "US interference in Iranian politics"? Let me warn you in advance that we don't need to get a rehashing of what your post will inevitably amount to: one-minute Wikipedia-research on the Iran pre-1979 "Islamic revolution". Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
dre Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Well it's been awhile since anyone pointed to the Koran as being a cause of violence. So why don't Christians and Jews also fall spell to incitations to violence in their holy books? Who says they dont? Your average Christian that commits an act of violence is highly efficient at it. They can kill large ammounts of people from 30 000 feet in the air, or from a ship hundreds of miles of your coast. Theyre way better organized, and way better equipped. Seems to be like the only way muslims come out at the top is if you dont count acts of violence commited by national armies. But you have to do a whole lot of mental gymnastics to honestly tell youreself that. I dont have good stats in front of my by Im guessing hundreds of millions of people have died from violent acts by other people in the last century, and Im pretty sure members of all three of the religions based on that dispicable maggot, Abraham, put up some pretty sweet totals. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 I couldn't have said it better. Check my new signature. Interesting that you include "Fascism" in your sig.... Ultra right wing nationalist is a verbose way of saying the same thing... Fascist Bobby to the rescue.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 I said that Christians and Jews "by and large" come from more enlightened societies than Muslims. This is indisputably true. Your anguish at my stating it simply shows that your opposition is based more on political correctness than any actual interest in facts or truth. It's in black and white. You quite clearly said due to their religion their societies are more enlightened. You're not tapdancing around this one. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Certainly a religion can have a detrimental effect on a society in which it holds power. Imagine, if you would, one of the Aztek religions where human sacrifices were regularly practiced holding sway over a nation today. Because what the Spanish did to them was so much better? Their societies are much more enlightened thanks to those colonial projects. Quote
Scotty Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) I'm speaking of US interference in Iranian politics. That time was fraught with instability. Iran had had six different governments in the previous five years. The Soviets, which had occupied northern Iran had just been persuaded to leave. And the new government decided to simply nationalize an oil industry developed and built by the British. I have little sympathy for that sort of outright theft, and given the times I doubt very much the government of the time would have lasted long, much less developed into an enlightened socialist state. None of the other new governments of that time did. Edited December 27, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 When our freedom loving elected leaders make common cause with violent bloody dictators you also have great difficulty when people point to that as the reason the west is so hated. The dictators rule nations which provide the West with needed supplies. Of course we maintain cordial relations with them. There really isn't much alternative. I'm in favor of encouraging such governments, wherever possible, to progress towards as much freedom and democratic rule as their people can handle. Unfortunately, given the societies involved, that's not always possible. The alternative to the present regime in Saudi Arabia, for example, is not lollipops and candy canes, it's a Taliban style government pouring billions into terrorist movements abroad. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 It's in black and white. You quite clearly said due to their religion their societies are more enlightened. You're not tapdancing around this one. You can invent whatever meaning you feel gives you comfort. That doesn't make it any more factual. My words and meaning are both clear to anyone not steeped in political correctness. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Because what the Spanish did to them was so much better? Their societies are much more enlightened thanks to those colonial projects. I didn't say they were, and nor was the Spanish government of the time particularly enlightened. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Michael Hardner Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Aside from this bearing absolutely no relevance to this thread, would you please elaborate on "US interference in Iranian politics"? Let me warn you in advance that we don't need to get a rehashing of what your post will inevitably amount to: one-minute Wikipedia-research on the Iran pre-1979 "Islamic revolution". Well, I'm no expert, so it would be a wiki cut/paste from me here. But I didn't claim that Iran chose its current path alone. I was responding to another post. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 That time was fraught with instability. Iran had had six different governments in the previous five years. The Soviets, which had occupied northern Iran had just been persuaded to leave. And the new government decided to simply nationalize an oil industry developed and built by the British. I have little sympathy for that sort of outright theft, and given the times I doubt very much the government of the time would have lasted long, much less developed into an enlightened socialist state. None of the other new governments of that time did. Ok, well it sounds a little more complicated than "Iran is the governing model for how Muslims wish to be ruled. ". Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Scotty Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Well, I'm no expert, so it would be a wiki cut/paste from me here. But I didn't claim that Iran chose its current path alone. Almost every nation experienced war, poverty and brutality in its past. I don't see why they should get to use that as an excuse in perpetuity. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
eyeball Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Can you make it any more obvious that you don't grasp anything I'm saying? It must be miracle I could have sworn you were laying in state in Pyongyang. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 That time was fraught with instability. Cry me a goddamn river. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Aside from this bearing absolutely no relevance to this thread, would you please elaborate on "US interference in Iranian politics"? Let me warn you in advance that we don't need to get a rehashing of what your post will inevitably amount to: one-minute Wikipedia-research on the Iran pre-1979 "Islamic revolution". He obviously meant Iran 1953, when the west consciously and freely decided to trump virtue with economics and killed the birth of true democracy in the Muslim world. The Islamic Spring in 1979 that you're talking was the inevitable reaction. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Almost every nation experienced war, poverty and brutality in its past. I don't see why they should get to use that as an excuse in perpetuity. What excuse? History us an evolution of events. Every action produces a reaction. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Almost every nation experienced war, poverty and brutality in its past. I don't see why they should get to use that as an excuse in perpetuity. How long do you intend to blame our behaviour on the Soviets? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Scotty Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 He obviously meant Iran 1953, when the west consciously and freely decided to trump virtue with economics and killed the birth of true democracy in the Muslim world. Oh cry me a river. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
eyeball Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) A river of blood isn't enough, you want tears too? Or just the oil? Edited December 27, 2011 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WWWTT Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Can someone explain to me why this discussion belongs in Canadian politics? Or maybe a better question would be does anyone care that they are continuosly adding to a debate degenerative from the original thread that barely even belonged in Canadian federal politics? Don't get me wrong,I enjoy debate!But I did not come to Canadian federal politics heading to debate religion/muslim/Arab/Iran,well you get the idea. Can you aknowledge this Micheal Hardner?Or any other moderator? Thank you WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
eyeball Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Can someone explain to me why this discussion belongs in Canadian politics? Canada doesn't exist in a vacuum would be my guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WWWTT Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Canada doesn't exist in a vacuum would be my guess. Ok then where are the comments that are relevant to Canada? I believe that the original thread did have some borderline merit to be under federal politics heading.But that must have ended over a dozen pages ago and this thread has become the religion/islamic and now currently Iranian politic thread. I guess inconsistency in the only constant here? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Michael Hardner Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Can you aknowledge this Micheal Hardner?Or any other moderator? Thank you WWWTT If you disagree with the placement of a thread, click the REPORT button and state you reasons. Charles and Greg are the moderators - they will read it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 Michael Hardner is oblivious to his tacit support for Islamic terrorism. he probably even opposes the term "Islamic terrorism", and perhaps even "Islamist". Since his apologism the most oppressive and destructive ideologies and their proponents is grounded primarily in his own ignorance rather than a more malicious and deliberate attempt to deceive us, this phenomenon is perhaps less vile. Still, the consequence of terrorist-apologists is largely the same, whether their narratives originate from a place of malice or from a place of massive ignorance and seeming inability to grasp somewhat abstract concepts (as is clearly the case with Michael Hardner). You seem to prefer describing my positions, or your idea if what they are, to actually discussing with me by answering my question. Not really a good way to have open dialogue, since I answered your question. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Peeves Posted December 27, 2011 Report Posted December 27, 2011 (edited) Ok then where are the comments that are relevant to Canada? I believe that the original thread did have some borderline merit to be under federal politics heading.But that must have ended over a dozen pages ago and this thread has become the religion/islamic and now currently Iranian politic thread. I guess inconsistency in the only constant here? WWWTT As the original poster (I think, it's been so long ) I agree it's now misplaced as it has , as I said many pages back, deviated dramatically away from the initial reference to s Federal Canadian Political mandate re veils. I think the thread should be concluded without rancor. Ceased, desist as a Monty Python Norwegian Blue Parrot. E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!! E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! At the sake of redundancy... 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!! Edited December 27, 2011 by Peeves Quote
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