Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Really? Even if that were true (it isn't), just think of it as a homecoming for all that exported uranium! Sorry I don't know what you mean, about any homecomings. Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Sorry I don't know what you mean, about any homecomings. If you didn't catch his reference, then you have little knowledge of the history of how Canada was involved. How can you have a considered opinion? If I were you, rather than betray my ignorance I would have done a quick google before replying. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) How many wars did Iran start, or participate in? Not many, I believe. How many wars have the western alliance started or participated in? All of them! Some even done by proxy. So now somebody wants to say how evil Iran is for wanting to kill millions of people. But we already did kill millions of people. Not just wanting to, did. As long as people want to play the game, then everybody has to suffer the consequences. We out ourselves in a corner, there's no way out now but to fight all the time, if another country doesn't want to follow our way of life, cultural materialism, cultural liberalism, then they become our mortal enemy and the conscious response is like what we have now in this thread... turn them into glass. That's not the way Jesus told us to live and all of us who participate in making these choices, from east to west are committing a mortal sin. Jesus also said to fight the good fight... There is also the obvious case for a "Just War"... Sometimes,I wonder what you peace freaks response to the NAZI invasion of Poland in September of 1939 would have been??? More Neville Chamberlain "Peace in Our Time" diplomacy or possibly less than that? And you may rail agianst the rampant consumerism of "The West" and I have my problems with the moral,cultural,and,social realtivism of some,as well....However,I would take that over an Islamofascist theocracy hell bent in seemingly carrying on where Her Schickelgruber left off.... Edited November 28, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 If you didn't catch his reference, then you have little knowledge of the history of how Canada was involved. How can you have a considered opinion? If I were you, rather than betray my ignorance I would have done a quick google before replying. Good thing I'm not you. I didn't want to reply. I know exactly what he meant and I didn't feel like having a pointless argument that scatters all over the place. My reply was frivolous and stopped him from carrying on. Job well done... So how can I have a considered opinion? Better yet, how can you judge me for what you didn't understand! Quote
Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Jesus also said to fight the good fight... There is also the obvious case for a "Just War"... Sometimes,I wonder what you peace freaks response to the NAZI invasion of Poland in September of 1939 would have been??? More Neville Chamberlain "Peace in Our Time" diplomacy or possibly less than that? And you may rail agianst the rampant consumerism of "The West" and I have my problems with the moral,cultural,and,social realtivism of some,as well....However,I would take that over an Islamofascist theocracy hell bent in seemingly carrying on where Her Schickelgruber left off.... I understand. There's no clear black or white now, because we have muddied the waters. We crapped in the Ganges, as it were. Still, I caution you. While it is prudent to maintain vigilance against those who decieve and secretly desire to bring real harm, we must also avoid becoming the very thing we oppose, lest we join the lineup of groups clamouring to take over from Schickelgruber. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Then answer the question... How do suppose we deal with the lunatics running the show in Tehran,because they seem intent on killing millions of innocents in a genocidal act,as well? Have you seen what our leaders have done in the past decade or so? Iran just talks the talk, NATO walks the walk. Who is more of a threat here? Quote
dre Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Jesus also said to fight the good fight... There is also the obvious case for a "Just War"... Sometimes,I wonder what you peace freaks response to the NAZI invasion of Poland in September of 1939 would have been??? More Neville Chamberlain "Peace in Our Time" diplomacy or possibly less than that? And you may rail agianst the rampant consumerism of "The West" and I have my problems with the moral,cultural,and,social realtivism of some,as well....However,I would take that over an Islamofascist theocracy hell bent in seemingly carrying on where Her Schickelgruber left off.... Get real. Youre comparing a nation that had already invaded another nation, to the current situation where that has not happened.... a pre-emptive war based on the intelligence from the same morons that brought us Iraq, mobile weapons factories, and all that bullshit. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Sometimes,I wonder what you peace freaks response to the NAZI invasion of Poland in September of 1939 would have been??? Probably something like 'told you so back in 1918'. There's always some freakin' warmonger setting the stage for the next conflict, always. Edited November 28, 2011 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Get real. Youre comparing a nation that had already invaded another nation, to the current situation where that has not happened.... a pre-emptive war based on the intelligence from the same morons that brought us Iraq, mobile weapons factories, and all that bullshit. You get real... Shall we discuss Mr. Ahmedinejad,and his NAZIlike commentary specifically about Jews and Israel and then ask if Iran's attempt at nuclear military power is all fun 'n games??? Over to you,Neville...Do you have a piece of paper with Ahmedinejad's signature on it saying he won't do what he's made fairly clear he intends to,if given the chance??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Probably something like 'told you so back in 1918'. There's always some freakin' warmonger setting the stage for the next conflict, always. And there's always a coward,dressing him/herself in a phony cloak of misguided righteousness unwilling to do what's necessary... League of Nations/Neville Chamberlain indeed... Edited November 28, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
olp1fan Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Posted November 28, 2011 You get real... Shall we discuss Mr. Ahmedinejad,and his NAZIlike commentary specifically about Jews and Israel and then ask if Iran's attempt at nuclear military power is all fun 'n games??? Over to you,Neville...Do you have a piece of paper with Ahmedinejad's signature on it saying he won't do what he's made fairly clear he intends to,if given the chance??? when you act on false information you get Iraq.. lets let Iran get their nukes and see if they do as you say and nuke Israel you live in Canada right so why are you so worried? Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 when you act on false information you get Iraq.. lets let Iran get their nukes and see if they do as you say and nuke Israel you live in Canada right so why are you so worried? Yes,Neville... The signed piece of paper says Adolph Hitler won't invade anyone anymore... Peace in our time!!! It has to work!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
eyeball Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 And there's always a coward,dressing him/herself in a phony cloak of misguided righteousness unwilling to do what's necessary... That's right, they were unwilling to work harder at making a lasting peace that wouldn't financially cripple the losers back in 1918. So...the next conflict lead to similar cowards who dropped nukes on Japan to set the stage for the conflict that lead to the Shah which lead to Ahmedinejad. Every step along this path was as misguided as it was unrighteous and cowardly. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) That's right, they were unwilling to work harder at making a lasting peace that wouldn't financially cripple the losers back in 1918. So...the next conflict lead to similar cowards who dropped nukes on Japan to set the stage for the conflict that lead to the Shah which lead to Ahmedinejad. Every step along this path was as misguided as it was unrighteous and cowardly. If you are referring to the Treaty of Versailles being a punishment treaty and not a peace treaty,then I agree with you... If you are refering to the CIA doing away with the duly electd gov't of Mohammed Mossadiq,then imposing a Fascist dictator,then I agree with you... The fact of the matter is that we are dealing with the very real,and grave possibility,of the Islamic Republic of Iran being able to use a nuclear weapon,or weapons,on anyone they deem "worse than the devil"... Are you prepared to let that happen,like we allowed certain powers of Europe to flourish a few generations ago because no one had the courage to step in before it was too late? Here's a hint....Like it or not,you're the "devil" to them.... Edited November 28, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
eyeball Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 If you are referring to the Treaty of Versailles being a punishment treaty and not a peace treaty,then I agree with you... If you are refering to the CIA doing away with the duly electd gov't of Mohammed Mossadiq,then imposing a Fascist dictator,then I agree with you... The fact of the matter is that we are dealing with the very real,and grave possibility,of the Islamic Republic of Iran being able to use a nuclear weapon,or weapons,on anyone they deem "worse than the devil"... Are you prepared to let that happen,like we allowed certain powers of Europe to flourish a few generations ago because no one had the courage to step in before it was too late? Here's a hint....Like it or not,you're the "devil" to them.... If you seriously imagine Iran of 2011 is even remotely as threatening as Germany of 1939 than all I can say is you are a coward. A real demonstration of courage would be to step back from the twisted plot we've helped to weave and ask WTF have we been thinking? Leave the ME region to the people of the ME region to figure out, we have enough serious problems of our own. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WWWTT Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Here's a hint....Like it or not,you're the "devil" to them.... According to you! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 According to you! WWWTT Islamofascists don't feel anyone who is'nt Muslim,by only their definition (of course),is'nt "the Infidel" and should'nt be killed lest they submit??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
WWWTT Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 The fact of the matter is that we are dealing with the very real,and grave possibility,of the Islamic Republic of Iran being able to use a nuclear weapon,or weapons,on anyone they deem "worse than the devil"... Are you prepared to let that happen,like we allowed certain powers of Europe to flourish a few generations ago because no one had the courage to step in before it was too late? Both of these sentences I find odd? The reason is because the extreamests that you are reffering to. In Europe and in the middle east,exteamists took hold of power when those countries peoples suffered from certain western countries foriegn policies.And to solve the problems created by these certain western countries you are promoting more violence? What do you expect to accomplish? To me its aparent that more violence originating from the west will only amplify/lengthen the conflict. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
dre Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) You get real... Shall we discuss Mr. Ahmedinejad,and his NAZIlike commentary specifically about Jews and Israel and then ask if Iran's attempt at nuclear military power is all fun 'n games??? Over to you,Neville...Do you have a piece of paper with Ahmedinejad's signature on it saying he won't do what he's made fairly clear he intends to,if given the chance??? Ahmedinejad's signature is irrelevant. He has zero power to launch a war against anyone. And nobody gave Chamberlain a hard time for not pre-emptively invading Germany. It was about failing to respond when German tanks were already rolling through other countries. Its an utterly irrelevent analogy, and the comparison to those who dont want to go on any multi trillion dollar WMD Wild Goose Chase, is just stupid quite frankly. Edited November 28, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 If you seriously imagine Iran of 2011 is even remotely as threatening as Germany of 1939 than all I can say is you are a coward. A real demonstration of courage would be to step back from the twisted plot we've helped to weave and ask WTF have we been thinking? Leave the ME region to the people of the ME region to figure out, we have enough serious problems of our own. I agree,they are'nt NAZI Germany circa 1939..Yet... Remember the worlds collective inaction,the same inaction you seem to be vociferously advocating for,during the Rhineland incident of 1936?...The Sudatenland of 1938?.. Mussolini's invasions of Somalia and Ethiopia in 1936? Things can be stopped ahead of time before things get out of control,and a much wider and far more devastating conflict becomes necessary... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 I agree,they are'nt NAZI Germany circa 1939..Yet... :lol: Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Posted November 28, 2011 Yes,Neville... The signed piece of paper says Adolph Hitler won't invade anyone anymore... Peace in our time!!! It has to work!!! youre comparing hitler to ahmadinejad?????? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Posted November 28, 2011 Things can be stopped ahead of time before things get out of control,and a much wider and far more devastating conflict becomes necessary... Then cant Iran nuke Israel if they believe Israel will tear the world apart? just going by your pov Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Then cant Iran nuke Israel if they believe Israel will tear the world apart? just going by your pov Do you see Israel calling for the wiping out of an enitre group of people??? Do you see Israel making claims about the righteousness of The Holocaust? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) youre comparing hitler to ahmadinejad?????? I comparing you to the comparatively weak Neville Chamberlain.... Edited November 28, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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