The Real AGW Agenda

[lukin]

After the Vietnam war ended, the left needed a new cause to stir up anger amongst professional protestors and wannabee anarchists. So the radicals thought the next phase of mass protests and angst must be under the banner of saving the environment. That is how we got to where we are today. It's easy to manipulate the foolish. Occupiers are the latest group of fools playing the role of pawns for the interests of wealthy socialist-capitalists who orchestrated the protests, hoping they lead to full scale riots.

[SF/PF]

Cool story bro!

[August1991]

After the Vietnam war ended, the left needed a new cause to stir up anger amongst professional protestors and wannabee anarchists. So the radicals thought the next phase of mass protests and angst must be under the banner of saving the environment.

Vietnam War? How old are you?

The term is watermelon: Green on the outside but red on the inside.

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BTW, I happen to think that it's not a wise idea to let people sh*t wherever they want. Lukin, with six billion people on this planet, how do you feel about living in a world where other people can sh*t wherever they want?

It's like a fish living in an aquarium without a filter system.

Edited November 20, 2011 by August1991

[TimG]

BTW, I happen to think that it's not a wise idea to let people sh*t wherever they want. Lukin, with six billion people on this planet, how do you feel about living in a world where other people can sh*t wherever they want?

August, I think it is very important to distinguish between real pollution where substances known to be toxic are dumped into the environment and hypothetical pollution where computer models are used to suggest that a non-toxic, naturally occurring substance might indirectly contribute to unspecified damages in distant future.

[lukin]

Vietnam War? How old are you?

The term is watermelon: Green on the outside but red on the inside.

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BTW, I happen to think that it's not a wise idea to let people sh*t wherever they want. Lukin, with six billion people on this planet, how do you feel about living in a world where other people can sh*t wherever they want?

It's like a fish living in an aquarium without a filter system.

So I guess people should stop having kids, eh August. How much pollution was created to make the computer you constantly type on? Don't preach the Greenpeace spiel to me.

[August1991]

August, I think it is very important to distinguish between real pollution where substances known to be toxic are dumped into the environment and hypothetical pollution where computer models are used to suggest that a non-toxic, naturally occurring substance might indirectly contribute to unspecified damages in distant future.

I agree entirely.

IMHO, the Left has started this global warming/climate change mantra - while ignoring the local effects of real pollution.

While the Left worries about meteors hitting the earth and wants global, government action, my neighbour's house burns down because our town's fire department is wasting time completing bureaucratic forms about its hiring practices, and compliance with CO2 emissions.

Edited November 20, 2011 by August1991

[August1991]

So I guess people should stop having kids, eh August. How much pollution was created to make the computer you constantly type on? Don't preach the Greenpeace spiel to me.

I have no problem with kids. I object to letting them sh*t wherever they want.

And BTW, the world does not lack for kids. It lacks for educated, civilized kids.

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lukin, here's a radical thought.

Countries like Canada (and the US) take kids from around the world and educate and civilize them.

Imagine.

Edited November 20, 2011 by August1991

[lukin]

I have no problem with kids. I object to letting them sh*t wherever they want.

And BTW, the world does not lack for kids. It lacks for educated, civilized kids.

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lukin, here's a radical thought.

Countries like Canada (and the US) take kids from around the world and educate and civilize them.

Imagine.

Not going to happen in our public school system.

[lukin]

I have no problem with kids. I object to letting them sh*t wherever they want.

And BTW, the world does not lack for kids. It lacks for educated, civilized kids.

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lukin, here's a radical thought.

Countries like Canada (and the US) take kids from around the world and educate and civilize them.

Imagine.

Who needs to be civilized and educated? The peasants in China?

[Jack Weber]

Vietnam War? How old are you?

The term is watermelon: Green on the outside but red on the inside.

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BTW, I happen to think that it's not a wise idea to let people sh*t wherever they want. Lukin, with six billion people on this planet, how do you feel about living in a world where other people can sh*t wherever they want?

It's like a fish living in an aquarium without a filter system.

Robert D'Aubuisson thanks you for the plug...

[Michael Hardner]

Countries like Canada (and the US) take kids from around the world and educate and civilize them.

Are you sure we shouldn't send ours abroad to be 'civilized' ? North America is slowly ending the domain of childhood by treating children like adults... other cultures may teach more respect for elders and 'roles' which is another word for specialization.

Childhood is said to have been 'invented' after the industrial revolution, and since we have been turning back the clock on industrialization it makes sense that we're eliminating childhood too.

[Michael Hardner]

IMHO, the Left has started this global warming/climate change mantra - while ignoring the local effects of real pollution.

False. It began with science, which is neither right nor left. Climate Change is no more started by leftists than the Recession is: they just exploit the crisis just as all politicians do.

While the Left worries about meteors hitting the earth and wants global, government action, my neighbour's house burns down because our town's fire department is wasting time completing bureaucratic forms about its hiring practices, and compliance with CO2 emissions.

If your local fire department is so screwed up, then maybe your community is at fault. Lots of communities don't seem to be ablaze because the firemen are wondering which CO2 form to fill out. Maybe you should do something about your crazy firemen ?

[TimG]

False. It began with science, which is neither right nor left.

You are making the mistake of assuming that science is always objective. It can be in fields where real experiments can separate the flim-flam from the substance but in fields like climate science the 'truth' is a largley a subjective exercise that is driven more by the political/ideological leanings of the scientists than by any facts. Edited November 20, 2011 by TimG

[eyeball]

...in fields like climate science the 'truth' is a largley a subjective exercise that is driven more by the political/ideological leanings of the scientists than by any facts.

No, it's a lot easier to ascribe this to certain economists and economic schools of thought that are totally freaked out by the implications of climate change.

[TimG]

No, it's a lot easier to ascribe this to certain economists and economic schools of thought that are totally freaked out by the implications of climate change.

I would say the economists that claim that CO2 reductions are possible given current technology are the ones who are letting their ideological blinders drive their conclusions.