olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 This is seriously an assassination attempt? Could the U.S be getting anymore ridiculous http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/justice/dc-white-house-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Pittsburgh (CNN) -- An Idaho man arrested in connection with a White House shooting incident will be charged with trying to assassinate President Barack Obama or a member of his staff, a federal prosecutor said Thursday. The announcement came at the first federal court hearing for Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez, 21, who allegedly was involved in a shooting last Friday that may be responsible for two bullets found at the White House. One bullet hit a window and was stopped by bulletproof glass, and another was found on the White House exterior, the Secret Service said. Both bullets were found Tuesday. Ortega-Hernandez will be charged with attempted assassination, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Jimmy Kitchen. The charge carries a possible maximum penalty of life in prison and a $250,000 fine. Quote
Rick Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 What else would you expect from the land of paranoia... Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 I have to wonder how ya'll would feel if someone specifically targeted your residence and purposely shot a bullet through the window of your main living quarters. I'm sure you'd see it as nothing more than target practice gone awry - being that you're neither "ridiculous" nor "paranoid." This is the only response either of you will get from me in this thread, so .... cheers! Quote
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 I have to wonder how ya'll would feel if someone specifically targeted your residence and purposely shot a bullet through the window of your main living quarters. I'm sure you'd see it as nothing more than target practice gone awry - being that you're neither "ridiculous" nor "paranoid." This is the only response either of you will get from me in this thread, so .... cheers! What about this makes it an assassination attempt? Quote
Smallc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 No kidding. This guy allegedly shot at the White House. That's not cool. Quote
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 No kidding. This guy allegedly shot at the White House. That's not cool. Yeah, but he didn't shoot at anybody... or target anyone specifically... maybe he was shooting at the symbol of America? but that doesn't warrant Assassination charges Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Not sure why this wouldn't be considered an assassination attempt ? Shooting at the windows of the White House ? That's attempted murder - what am I missing ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Yeah, but he didn't shoot at anybody... or target anyone specifically... maybe he was shooting at the symbol of America? but that doesn't warrant Assassination charges Maybe he thought he was shooting at someone? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 Not sure why this wouldn't be considered an assassination attempt ? Shooting at the windows of the White House ? That's attempted murder - what am I missing ? Attempted assassination of who? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 Maybe he thought he was shooting at someone? Maybe he was high or drunk and just screwing off? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Attempted assassination of who? The residents of the home towards which he directed his bullet. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 The residents of the home towards which he directed his bullet. Was it a sniper gun? If so then yes it was an attempt but if it was just a normal gun...you're reaching Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Was it a sniper gun? If so then yes it was an attempt but if it was just a normal gun...you're reaching Do you have the same standard for firearms barrages directed at the windows of your home ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Do you have the same standard for firearms barrages directed at the windows of your home ? If it was an accident or people fooling around I wouldn't expect for them to be charged with attempted 1st degree murder, that is stupid Obama nor his family were even in the White House at the time btw Edited November 17, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) The story is ...he shot at it with an assault riffle because God told him too..well there ya go, a religious nut job lock him up forever http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/ortega-hernandez-obama-white-house_n_1099015.html Edited November 17, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) An Idaho man accused of firing an assault rifle at the White House was charged Thursday with attempting to assassinate President Barack Obama or his staff, and prosecutors say he called Obama "the devil" and said he needed to be killed. link Edited to add: Police believe Ortega-Hernandez is mentally ill. He has an extensive record, ranging from domestic violence to drug charges. link I wonder how that will play into it? Edited November 17, 2011 by American Woman Quote
Smallc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) You'd think God would have told him that Obama wasn't home. Edited November 17, 2011 by Smallc Quote
olp1fan Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) American Presidents seem to get offed quite a bit... wonder how they hold up to the rest of the worlds elected leaders says 4 times None for Canada but 1 Member of parliament was assassinated in 1868 Edited November 17, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
dre Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Whether or not assasination charges are warranted will depend on intent, and whether his actions had any reasonable chance of achieving whatever we judge his objectives to be. And it will depend also on his knowledge of whitehouse security. If he knew that the windows and walls were bulletproof, then its hard to prove intent. If I shoot at the side of a gigantic concrete bunker that you happen to be in, then things get a little fuzzy. If know full well that the bullet cant get through the concrete walls then my intent is not to kill. Also i pretty much guarantee there will be an insanity defense here, and quite likely a pretty good one. Edited November 17, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 I have to wonder how ya'll would feel if someone specifically targeted your residence and purposely shot a bullet through the window of your main living quarters. I'm sure you'd see it as nothing more than target practice gone awry - being that you're neither "ridiculous" nor "paranoid." This is the only response either of you will get from me in this thread, so .... cheers! In Canada all they need is a knife in order to get inside the PMs residence. Quote
Smallc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 In Canada all they need is a knife in order to get inside the PMs residence. Not anymore. Back in those days, there wasn't even a permanent RCMP presence. Now there is a garrison at one gate to the house, and a couple of guards at the other. Quote
msj Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 The story is ...he shot at it with an assault riffle because God told him too..well there ya go, a religious nut job lock him up forever http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/17/ortega-hernandez-obama-white-house_n_1099015.html Cool, maybe God will go down as his accomplice? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Topaz Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 I wonder where he got the gun from and how many other US citizens have AK-47's? Maybe at one of those gun shows? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 18, 2011 Author Report Posted November 18, 2011 I wonder where he got the gun from and how many other US citizens have AK-47's? Maybe at one of those gun shows? hes an occupy wall streeter too... maybe hes a patsie planted by the fed government to shut everything down Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 Add me to the group of people who agree that this should be labelled an assasination attempt. A really bad one but, still. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
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