Baker refuses to bake Lesbians wedding cake

[olp1fan]

I don't suppose you have any evidence to support this.

look at the divorce rate in the US

most of the US is christian

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-christian-divorce-rate-identical-to-national-average-31815/

Edited November 16, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

Christians are no better or worse at marriage than the next person.

shouldn't christians be against divorce? i mean gays are casted down upon for "sinning" yet christians divorce as much as non christians

so that makes those christians wicked heathens lured by the devil to the dark side would it not?

i mean you are in a church, vowing before god and those vows are broken A LOT by christians

do religious people even mean their vows?

do they even care about their God???

Edited November 16, 2011 by olp1fan

[Boges]

look at the divorce rate in the US

most of the US is christian

http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-christian-divorce-rate-identical-to-national-average-31815/

So they are about as horrible at it than everyone else then.

Most people in the US are Christians.

Sorta like when Pitt Bull lovers say that Labs bite people more than than Pitt Bulls. Well perhaps that's because Labs are the #1 owned dog.

[Shady]

shouldn't christians be against divorce? i mean gays are casted down upon for "sinning" yet christians divorce as much as non christians

so that makes those christians wicked heathens lured by the devil to the dark side would it not?

i mean you are in a church, vowing before god and those vows are broken A LOT by christians

do religious people even mean their vows?

do they even care about their God???

Cut the crap troll.

[olp1fan]

So they are about as horrible at it than everyone else then.

Most people in the US are Christians.

Sorta like when Pitt Bull lovers say that Labs bite people more than than Pitt Bulls. Well perhaps that's because Labs are the #1 owned dog.

it basically says americans suck at marriage

[Guest American Woman]

shouldn't christians be against divorce? i mean gays are casted down upon for "sinning" yet christians divorce as much as non christians

Since when has divorce become a "sin?" for Christians? And not all Christians cast down gays; not by a lot shot.

so that makes those christians wicked heathens lured by the devil to the dark side would it not?

i mean you are in a church, vowing before god and those vows are broken A LOT by christians

do religious people even mean their vows?

Of course they mean them. Why would anyone get married if they didn't think they were going to stay together?

It seems that a lot of non-believers expect Christians, by virtue of their religious beliefs, to be saints. But they are just as human as the next person. Their religion has them striving to live their life according to the teachings of Jesus, but being human, they sometimes fail - same as the next person sometimes fails to live a perfect life.

Whoever said being a Christian makes one always behave perfectly? If that were a requirement, there would be no such thing as "forgiveness."

Edited November 16, 2011 by American Woman

[Boges]

shouldn't christians be against divorce? i mean gays are casted down upon for "sinning" yet christians divorce as much as non christians

so that makes those christians wicked heathens lured by the devil to the dark side would it not?

i mean you are in a church, vowing before god and those vows are broken A LOT by christians

do religious people even mean their vows?

do they even care about their God???

Well if you're going to play the theological argument.

I think only Catholics have strict laws regarding divorce, but then again they also are opposed to birth control so I find their doctrine regarding marriage kind of loopy.

Sin is sin though. Divorce probably isn't worse than say . . . envy.

The bible clarifies reasons where divorce is permissible. I guess you'd have to assess the situation in each case of divorce.

For example adultery is a perfectly acceptable reason for divorce. Now "falling out of love" not so much. What about reason's related to money? That's why most marriage split up in Canada. The Bible isn't clear on this.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Boges

[olp1fan]

Cut the crap troll.

my thread, why don't you go take off

[Guest American Woman]

So they are about as horrible at it than everyone else then.

Exactly.

[Shady]

my thread, why don't you go take off

It being your thread doesn't discount the fact that you're a troll.

[olp1fan]

Since when has divorce become a "sin?" for Christians? And not all Christians cast down gays; not by a lot shot.

Of course they mean them. Why would anyone get married if they didn't think they were going to stay together?

It seems that a lot of non-believers expect Christians, by virtue of their religious beliefs, to be saints. But they are just as human as the next person. Their religion has them striving to live their life according to the teachings of Jesus, but being human, they sometimes fail - same as the next person sometimes fails to live a perfect life.

Whoever said being a Christian makes one always behave perfectly? If that were a requirement, there would be no such thing as "forgiveness."

Religious people NEVER practice what they preach... they condemn and look down on other people

trust me, I know how it is

I was heavily religious for 18 years and I know how judgemental religious people are

all of the time

[Shady]

Religious people NEVER practice what they preach... they condemn and look down on other people

trust me, I know how it is

I was heavily religious for 18 years and I know how judgemental religious people are

all of the time

Complete nonsense. Trust me. I know how it is.

[Guest American Woman]

Religious people NEVER practice what they preach... they condemn and look down on other people

trust me, I know how it is

I was heavily religious for 18 years and I know how judgemental religious people are

all of the time

I hate to break it to you, but I'm more than pleased to say, what you are or what you did while you were "heavily religious" has nothing to do with what "religious people" are or do; you don't speak for or represent the whole of religious people any more than you do Canada/Canadians.

At any rate, this post makes it sound as if you're speaking for yourself.

[olp1fan]

Well if you're going to play the theological argument.

I think only Catholics have strict laws regarding divorce, but then again they also are opposed to birth control so I find their doctrine regarding marriage kind of loopy.

Sin is sin though. Divorce probably isn't worse than say . . . envy.

The bible clarifies reasons where divorce is permissible. I guess you'd have to assess the situation in each case of divorce.

For example adultery is a perfectly acceptable reason for divorce. Now "falling out of love" not so much. What about reason's related to money? That's why most marriage split up in Canada. The Bible isn't clear on this.

this does seem to support your assumption

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f004.html

First of all, the divine standard for marriage is lifelong commitment to one's spouse, and nothing else. Even though divorce was permitted in some cases under the Old Testament economy, Christ made it plain that this was not God's ideal. When He was asked this very question,

“He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder” (Matthew 19:4-6).

This seems very comprehensive and conclusive, yet He immediately followed up this statement with the following apparent exception:

“Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery” (Matthew 19:9; see also Matthew 5:31, 32).

It does seem from this statement that the discovery of extramarital unchastity on the part of one' spouse is here given as a possible grounds for divorce. God does place a high value on faithfulness, on the part of both bride and bridegroom, as a basis for a happy and lasting marriage. Fornication is condemned as a sin in both Old and New Testaments.

[olp1fan]

I hate to break it to you, but I'm more than pleased to say, what you are or what you did while you were "heavily religious" has nothing to do with what "religious people" are or do; you don't speak for or represent the whole of religious people any more than you do Canada/Canadians.

At any rate, this post makes it sound as if you're speaking for yourself.

hey i never said i was heavily judgemental, it was my observation

[olp1fan]

It being your thread doesn't discount the fact that you're a troll.

then you don't have to post

[Boges]

Religious people NEVER practice what they preach... they condemn and look down on other people

trust me, I know how it is

I was heavily religious for 18 years and I know how judgemental religious people are

all of the time

Making blanket statements is cool when you're doing it against Christians I suppose.

Can I make blanket, unsupported statements about the Gay community and Islam too?

[olp1fan]

Making blanket statements is cool when you're doing it against Christians I suppose.

Can I make blanket, unsupported statements about the Gay community and Islam too?

go ahead

im not a bleeding heart liberal

[olp1fan]

Muslims are as retarded as Christians

[Guest American Woman]

hey i never said i was heavily judgemental, it was my observation

Let's recap what you said:

quote name='olp1fan' date='16 November 2011 - 12:07 PM' timestamp='1321463248' post='730939' -

Religious people NEVER practice what they preach... they condemn and look down on other people

I was heavily religious for 18 years

If religious people never practice what they preach, and they condemn and look down on other people, and you were heavily religious for 18 years, then if follows that for 18 years you didn't practice what you preached and condemned and looked down on other people. Either you did, or your statement isn't true. Which is it?

Edited November 16, 2011 by American Woman

[olp1fan]

Let's recap what you said:

quote name='olp1fan' date='16 November 2011 - 12:07 PM' timestamp='1321463248' post='730939' -

Religious people NEVER practice what they preach... they condemn and look down on other people

I was heavily religious for 18 years

If religious people never practice what they preach, and they condemn and look down on other people and you were heavily religious for 18 years, then if follows that for 18 years you didn't practice what you preached and condemned and looked down on other people. So. Either you did, or your statement isn't true. Which is it?

i wasnt into the whole gossip business .. that has nothing to do with religion. its just something that occurs in congregations

[Shady]

then you don't have to post

Me not posting doesn't discount that you're a troll.

[olp1fan]

Me not posting doesn't discount that you're a troll.

you posting multiple times calling me a troll also makes you a troll

[Shady]

ame='American Woman' date='16 November 2011 - 12:17 PM' timestamp='1321463842' post='730949']

Let's recap what you said:

i wasnt into the whole gossip business .. that has nothing to do with religion. its just something that occurs in congregations

You know who also likes gossip? Gays.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Shady

[Boges]

Groups of teenagers tend to gossip and get clichy?

NO EFFIN' WAY!!!!!

olp1fan I hate to break it to you: Water is also wet.

People who base their opinion of people of faith by experiences at a youth group are hilarious to me.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Boges