Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Trying is not the same as having it. But in essence having the capability gives the perception of deterrence. But let's look at it from another persective. Iranians have realised that the oil reserve is not likely to last forever. Having the nuclear capability would to a certain extent help them provide an alternative source of energy. If all they want is nuclear power, why the cloak and dagger with their program? Why build the program underground/in a Mountain side if it’s for peaceful purposes? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Another contradiction……….Israel doesn’t need Iran’s “go ahead” to “take out” Iran’s nuclear program, especially, as suggested by yourself, that they (Israel) has already started the process……. Israel needs the world on their side before they try anything or else Israel will become more isolated than they are right now Thats the 2nd time you dodged the question Quote
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Why build the program underground/in a Mountain side if it’s for peaceful purposes? syria, iraq Quote
kactus Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 If you were attacked by three people, would you not defend yourself? Derek, I have argued this in length on another thread titled is Israel going to bomb Iran. From the psyche of an Iranian if you are surrounded by US forces, constantly threatened that you are next on the line and you are having to leave with the fear that it could happen anytime, you have North Korea that has nuclear capability and hasn't been attacked. Now if you were that Iranian wouldn't you want to have nuclear as a deterrent? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 There’s nothing to say that Iran couldn’t be number two….. Israel is more likely to be # 2 ... they won't even tell the world how many they have Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 It's not all that hypothetical if Iran gets nukes. Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former president of Iran, has threatened Israel with nuclear destruction, boasting that an attack would kill as many as five million Jews. Rafsanjani estimated that even if Israel retaliated by dropping its own nuclear bombs, Iran would probably lose only fifteen million people, which he said would be a small "sacrifice" from among the billion Muslims in the world. It's worth noting he lost the 2005 election to Ahmadinejad - and was considered the MODERATE in that election. You don’t need to convince me………I’ve been arguing for a pre-emptive strike over the last 30 pages… Quote
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Derek threatened to blow up my house... I'm justified to blow up his house first... that POV is pretty stupid and reckless Quote
WWWTT Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 There’s nothing to say that Iran couldn’t be number two….. Yep the same "nothing" that has prevented another use of nuclear weapons. That nothing is called "nuclear deterent" And I believe there is not a country in the world that can dictate to another who may or may not be protected from invasion by attaining this deterent. Essentialy Isreal and other western nations are saying that we want to keep the option of invading Iran any time we please. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Derek threatened to blow up my house... I'm justified to blow up his house first... that POV is pretty stupid and reckless According to sources from U.S., Iran and Israel, it was Mossad who was behind the explosion. Is this a green light for Iran to start shooting its Shahab missiles at Israel? According to Derek and Argus it is. In fact, Iran should have done a pre-emptive strike when Israel created its nuclear program over 50 years ago. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) According to sources from U.S., Iran and Israel, it was Mossad who was behind the explosion. Is this a green light for Iran to start shooting its Shahab missiles at Israel? According to Derek and Argus it is. In fact, Iran should have done a pre-emptive strike when Israel created its nuclear program over 50 years ago. What else should we expect from neo cons Edited November 15, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 You miss the point. Given Iran is a country which routinely tortures, rapes and murders people, that is, which has no concerns whatsoever about human rights abuses, how can anyone say the Iranians are outraged at the way the Israelis treat Palestinians? Iran routingly rapes people? Do you have sources to back this up or are you one of those people who routingly makes things up? You can fault the Iranian government for its systematic abuse of rights for freedom of expression but you cannot use that as a reason to justify or suppress criticism of Israel which is made by not only Iranians, but the whole world. You have a strange way of trying to argue points. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
kactus Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) If Israel is going to have a pre-emptive strike against Iran without being attacked first then why should Canada be dragged into this? I don't get this! Edited November 15, 2011 by kactus Quote
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) If Israel is going to have a pre-emptive strike against Iran without being attacked first then why should Canada be dragged into this. I don't get this! because it makes harper cry when israel is criticized canada will be the first in line to offer support Edited November 15, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 No where did I say that a Canadian killed Gadhafi. We all know a Canadian did not kill him. Try again troll. Sure you did. Your words say otherwise. You just do not realize...as usual. At least you didn't use the word effect for affect. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Israel needs the world on their side before they try anything or else Israel will become more isolated than they are right now Thats the 2nd time you dodged the question But I thought you said Israel has already started their “attack”………Wouldn’t Iran going public with the news of the “Mossad strike”, “turn the world against Israel”? I haven't dodged any of your nonsensical questions...... Quote
olp1fan Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) But I thought you said Israel has already started their “attack”………Wouldn’t Iran going public with the news of the “Mossad strike”, “turn the world against Israel”? I haven't dodged any of your nonsensical questions...... israels been attacking iran covertly for years and vice versa Edited November 15, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Yep the same "nothing" that has prevented another use of nuclear weapons. That nothing is called "nuclear deterent" And I believe there is not a country in the world that can dictate to another who may or may not be protected from invasion by attaining this deterent. Essentialy Isreal and other western nations are saying that we want to keep the option of invading Iran any time we please. WWWTT Perhaps not dictate, but they can certainly stop/hinder them… Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Iran routingly rapes people? Do you have sources to back this up or are you one of those people who routingly makes things up? You can fault the Iranian government for its systematic abuse of rights for freedom of expression but you cannot use that as a reason to justify or suppress criticism of Israel which is made by not only Iranians, but the whole world. You have a strange way of trying to argue points. Case in point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahra_Kazemi Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Derek, I have argued this in length on another thread titled is Israel going to bomb Iran. From the psyche of an Iranian if you are surrounded by US forces, constantly threatened that you are next on the line and you are having to leave with the fear that it could happen anytime, you have North Korea that has nuclear capability and hasn't been attacked. Now if you were that Iranian wouldn't you want to have nuclear as a deterrent? Sure I would, but when the West has made it clear that I’ll be attacked prior to obtaining it, I’d probably stop….. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Derek threatened to blow up my house... I'm justified to blow up his house first... that POV is pretty stupid and reckless But I can “blow up your house”, and I will prior to you gaining the ability to “blow up my home”…….simple concept no? Now quite stealing my garden gnomes and lawn furniture or I’ll get mad….. Quote
kactus Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 But I thought you said Israel has already started their “attack”………Wouldn’t Iran going public with the news of the “Mossad strike”, “turn the world against Israel”? I haven't dodged any of your nonsensical questions...... Errm technically speaking no if the Mossad thing happens to be true. Because Iran is supposed to be the bad guy here so even by going public it will implicate what Mossad has done which brings it to the crux of the matter. Oh no Iran is making nuclear bomb to destroy Israel. And then we will have the same conversation again. Quote
blueblood Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) here's the quote from blueblood "China did invade countries with theirs and they got tore to ribbons" that's why they stay home."... in korea was china responding to what it viewed as a US/UN interference in a civil war...vietnam altercation china interceded on behalf of an ally...neither war was caused by initial chinese aggression and in neither war was china "tore to ribbons"...china historically has never been an imperialistic power in the way western nations have been, those two conflicts are not the reason "why they stay at home"... Do you want to go over the kill death ratios of communist troops vs. Western forces? China just isn't as good at foreign intervention as the western world, and that's why we have south Korea and thank goodness for that. Edited November 15, 2011 by blueblood Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Guest Derek L Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Errm technically speaking no if the Mossad thing happens to be true. Because Iran is supposed to be the bad guy here so even by going public it will implicate what Mossad has done which brings it to the crux of the matter. Oh no Iran is making nuclear bomb to destroy Israel. And then we will have the same conversation again. So it would show Iran’s intentions to be less than peaceful, admitting it has been attacked? Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 If Israel is going to have a pre-emptive strike against Iran without being attacked first then why should Canada be dragged into this? I don't get this! Heavy Jewish/Israeli lobby and the Christian voters who believe in the rapture. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Do you want to go over the kill death ratios of communist troops vs. Western forces? China just isn't as good at foreign intervention as the western world, and that's why we have south Korea and thank goodness for that. Canadians enjoyed a 100-1 kill ratio during certain battles of the Korean War. Slaughter on a WW1 scale. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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