Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) Both these shows are awesome. They're also both on at the same time. Now I know they're on again later in the evening and you have a DVR you can of course watch the other show later. But which show is better and requires your immediate viewing. Of course this assumes you're not a criminal and you don't get both off a bit torrent. I would watch Walking Dead first but there are those pesky ads to deal with since it's not on premium cable. Also let's discuss these shows. What's your thoughts? Edited October 17, 2011 by Boges Quote
August1991 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 (edited) WTF? Absolutely no idea, and too lazy to google/wikipedia - but willing to make my point here. ---- Welcome to the future: You are free to choose your subject of interest. Edited October 17, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Boges Posted October 17, 2011 Author Report Posted October 17, 2011 WTF? Absolutely no idea, and too lazy to google/wikipedia - but willing to make my point here. This is in the TV forum. If you don't know these shows then you're not a fan of Good current scripted TV. Quote
August1991 Posted October 17, 2011 Report Posted October 17, 2011 Thils is in the TV forum. If you don't know these shows then you're not a fan of Good current scripted TV. Aucun problème.. Live, and let live Quote
Hydraboss Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 I have no idea what Boardwalk is, but TWD is actually quite an amazing show. Admittedly, I am a zombie fan but even I never thought I would see the day when the genre became a tv series. And very well done, unlike Romero's early work. Highest quality special effects and costuming, and a hell of a storyline thus far. I can't think of another show I wouldn't pre-empt for this one. Ignore August. If the average person can understand a show (and it's in English), it won't meet his "high standards" for broadcast excellence. Also, it has to be made in Kwebek. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
fellowtraveller Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 I prefer Boardwalk Empire. AMC has more commercials than any network anywhere, while Boradwalk is shown commercial free on HBO. It doesn't matter much really, we PVR everything we watch so we can view at our leisure, and eliminate all ads. AMC also owns theatre chains in the US, and have extremely long ads before their shows. Very irritating. Quote The government should do something.
Boges Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Posted October 18, 2011 I prefer Boardwalk Empire. AMC has more commercials than any network anywhere, while Boradwalk is shown commercial free on HBO. It doesn't matter much really, we PVR everything we watch so we can view at our leisure, and eliminate all ads. AMC also owns theatre chains in the US, and have extremely long ads before their shows. Very irritating. I too was frustrated with the amount of breaks Walking Dead took. The obvious choice would be to watch Boardwalk Empires first but my wife finds it boring. It's a show tailored to men and history buffs. It's given me an interest in learning about the mob, I've never had before. My DVR only tapes two things at a time so you have to watch either or. So it's either watch something else pre-recorded for say 15 minutes so we can fast forward through the ads. The Sunday we couldn't wait, It's been over 10 months in the waiting to watch another episode of Walking Dead. I bought a few of the trade paperbacks and the whole Walking Dead universe is extremely facinating. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) ...AMC also owns theatre chains in the US, and have extremely long ads before their shows. Very irritating. While it is true that American Multi-Cinema (AMC) owns about 5,000 screens in the US, Canada, UK, and Spain, the theatre company is private and not the same owner as cable channel operator AMC Networks, formerly owned by Rainbow Media, and a publicly traded company. Edited October 18, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
fellowtraveller Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Interesting that they both have the same disdain for their viewers. My wife timed the movie intro at 31 minutes recently in Chicago. That is a long time to a captive audience. I don't know how they get away with it on TV, where a 90 minute movie clocks in at 3 hours. Quote The government should do something.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 ....I don't know how they get away with it on TV, where a 90 minute movie clocks in at 3 hours. They get away with it because the business model is based on advertising revenue. AMC is not a premium channel on my cable network, and they also have several artsy loss leader indy film channels like IFC. Any decent DVR can make commercial skip painless. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Skipping commercials with a PVR subverts the economic model these networks are relying on. It's as bad as and no different from downloading torrents--that is, expecting to get something for nothing. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 Skipping commercials with a PVR subverts the economic model these networks are relying on. It's as bad as and no different from downloading torrents--that is, expecting to get something for nothing. No it's not...consumers still have to pay for the cable service which flows revenue to content providers. The first 25 minutes were commercial free by design. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Posted October 18, 2011 Skipping commercials with a PVR subverts the economic model these networks are relying on. It's as bad as and no different from downloading torrents--that is, expecting to get something for nothing. Yours, The VCR Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 No it's not...consumers still have to pay for the cable service which flows revenue to content providers. Their economic model is based on ad revenue. If you want to freeload, that's fine, but don't pretend you're any different from torrent-sucking scum. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) Their economic model is based on ad revenue. If you want to freeload, that's fine, but don't pretend you're any different from torrent-sucking scum. What are you talking about? They still get the ad revenue based on audience share ratings from metered households. Hell, I don't even own a PVR/DVR. What is your problem? Edited October 18, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Posted October 18, 2011 Their economic model is based on ad revenue. If you want to freeload, that's fine, but don't pretend you're any different from torrent-sucking scum. The Torrent-Sucking Scum don't pay a cable bill each month. What about all the onDemand content cable providers offer? Is that Freeloading too? DVR's not only allow people to skip the ads but they allow people to watch programming when they are not able to see it the time it aires. I couldn't watch TV without a DVR anymore. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 The Torrent-Sucking Scum don't pay a cable bill each month. What about all the onDemand content cable providers offer? Is that Freeloading too? The torrent-suckers pay an internet bill each month, but that doesn't mean they are allowed to do whatever they want with it. The onDemand content is provided for a fee or for free. Either way, it comes as part of the deal of your cable subscription. The stuff with ads comes with ads as part of the deal. It's that simple. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Boges Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Posted October 18, 2011 The onDemand content is provided for a fee or for free. Either way, it comes as part of the deal of your cable subscription. The stuff with ads comes with ads as part of the deal. It's that simple. OnDemand is offered if you subscribe to that service. For example there are a few Food Network or HGTV shows you can get, commercial free, and because it's basic cable it comes with your digital cable bill. If you want TMN onDemand you need to subscribe to TMN. The DVR is also part of your cable bill too BTW. As I said before trying to avoid the commercials isn't something new. What's the difference between fast forwarding through a commercial and changing the channel? Or going to the bathroom during a commercial break? At least with fast forwarding you actually can see what the ad is and if it seems interesting you can stop fast forwarding. I don't know this for sure but I imagine Ad rates for TV programming are different for the first and last ads in a break as opposed to ads in the middle of the break. When you're fast forwarding you often still can see what's the last and first ads are because you don't know when the break ends. If that makes any sense. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 What's the difference between fast forwarding through a commercial and changing the channel? Or going to the bathroom during a commercial break? If your conscience will allow you to go to the washroom while watching ad-supported television, more power to you. It seems there are plenty of people whose consciences have no problem filling external hard drives with terabytes of similarly freeloaded content. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 If your conscience will allow you to go to the washroom while watching ad-supported television, more power to you. It seems there are plenty of people whose consciences have no problem filling external hard drives with terabytes of similarly freeloaded content. So it would be OK with an "internal hard drive"? Or optical media? Or pan and scan? How about a water color or oil painting in real time? Oh, the humanity! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 So it would be OK with an "internal hard drive"? No, I think what is "OK" is perfectly clear. You watch ads when you watch ad-supported TV. If you're willing to pay a premium, you might get the chance to watch the same content without ads. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 No, I think what is "OK" is perfectly clear. You watch ads when you watch ad-supported TV. If you're willing to pay a premium, you might get the chance to watch the same content without ads. Nonsense...I watch ads when I damn well please. Nobody loses any "ad revenue" when I get up to let the cat out or channel surf with the remote. I don't know what your problem is, but it sounds like you were busted for being a torrent downloading scumbag. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted October 18, 2011 Author Report Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) By Bubber Miley's logic, you're immoral if you don't read every ad in a newspaper or magazine. Or even if you don't look at every pop-up ad on a website. Edited October 18, 2011 by Boges Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 By Bubber Miley's logi, you're immoral if you don't read every ad in a newspaper or magazine. Or even if you don't look at every pop-up ad on a website. Wow....then I am one very immoral mofo! Think of all the "ad revenue" that is being lost to recycling! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted October 18, 2011 Report Posted October 18, 2011 TV ad revenue has dropped dramatically with the advent of the PVR. In Winnipeg, we saw firsthand the effects of this in terms of loss of jobs with the demise of Canwest. Your actions have helped perpetuate that. But I don't get the logic that my defence of content creators and their means of generating income is an indication I would be interested in downloading torrents. I guess when faced with the idea that your actions are equivalent to those you too consider to be "scumbags", your only option is to lash out. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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