Bob Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 You folks obviously remember the recent news about the killing of Awlaki in Yemen by a drone. Anyways, his right-hand man, also an American citizen and a fellow Jihadi propagandist who was obviously involved with these terrorists in several capacities, named Samir Khan, was also killed in the September 30 airstrike that killed Awlaki. So what did the State Department do? Well, they called up his family and apologized for his death and delay in contacting the family, of course. Also pathetic is how the Samir family issued a statement after the death of their vermin relative, condemning the "assassination", and inferring that his "rights" had been violated. It's telling when we live in a society where the enemy within has no reservations about proudly declaring their complicity in Islamic terrorism. On the other hand, Comedy Central is terrified to release a cartoon that would depict an animated Muhammad. This is how far we've fallen.... Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 My son...such a good boy...killed by a US drone missile attack in Yemen! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 How far we've fallen - you seem to be referring to the apology. The fact that the targeted person was a US citizen raised eyebrows, since he received no trial. Whether or not you agree with what happened to him, it does raise some questions. Can the US government simply kill anyone they deem internally to be a threat ? If Obama's government determined that a rogue Tea Partier's blog postings amounted to sedition, would they then have the right to neutralize this person for security reasons ? Questions have been raiased. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 ...The fact that the targeted person was a US citizen raised eyebrows, since he received no trial. Whether or not you agree with what happened to him, it does raise some questions. Can the US government simply kill anyone they deem internally to be a threat ? Yes...we have already been over this....Deadly Force was authorized by elected and governing authority. You think Bonnie and Clyde have a case too? How about John Dilinger? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Yes...we have already been over this....Deadly Force was authorized by elected and governing authority. You think Bonnie and Clyde have a case too? How about John Dilinger? Armed individuals vs. unarmed individuals is one measure of difference here. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Armed individuals vs. unarmed individuals is one measure of difference here. We don't know if he was armed or not. What do you think "Wanted Dead or Alive" means? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 We don't know if he was armed or not. What do you think "Wanted Dead or Alive" means? It doesn't mean shoot on sight, or bomb him from the sky. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Bob Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Posted October 12, 2011 Armed individuals vs. unarmed individuals is one measure of difference here. Whether or not he was armed is irrelevant. Especially in the context of a war. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 It doesn't mean shoot on sight, or bomb him from the sky. Yes it does....kinda like that in war. No engraved invitations, no knock at the door, no letter in the mail....just BOOM! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 It seems to be a bit of a grey area in this case. Awlaki certainly got what he deserved. However, as an American citizen, he is protected by certain constiutional rights. However, one could argue that he's renounced his citizenship and/or was certainly guilty of treason, etc. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Yes it does....kinda like that in war. No engraved invitations, no knock at the door, no letter in the mail....just BOOM! It does... now. Everybody seems to know how it went down, but that's a new thing, and hence the questions. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Bob Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Posted October 12, 2011 It seems to be a bit of a grey area in this case. Awlaki certainly got what he deserved. However, as an American citizen, he is protected by certain constiutional rights. However, one could argue that he's renounced his citizenship and/or was certainly guilty of treason, etc. He has no constitutional rights outside of America, for starters, and certainly has no rights when he is actively involved in war against America. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 It does... now. Everybody seems to know how it went down, but that's a new thing, and hence the questions. Not so new....from WW2 bombings to CIA actions overseas. American citizens were "terminated" with extreme prejudice, especially in espionage cases. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Posted October 12, 2011 It does... now. Everybody seems to know how it went down, but that's a new thing, and hence the questions. No, war is not a new thing. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 He has no constitutional rights outside of America, for starters, and certainly has no rights when he is actively involved in war against America. I don't care if he was in America....aiding and abetting terrorism has its just reward. The only negative is the potential loss of counterterrorism intel collection. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Posted October 12, 2011 I don't care if he was in America....aiding and abetting terrorism has its just reward. The only negative is the potential loss of counterterrorism intel collection. I would love to see the video of the drone strike. Sometimes I just spend like thirty minutes watching videos on YouTube of American and coalition soldiers killing the enemy (helicopter strikes, drone strikes, airplane strikes, live on-the-ground video, etc). Love it, love it, love it. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Shady Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 I don't care if he was in America....aiding and abetting terrorism has its just reward. The only negative is the potential loss of counterterrorism intel collection. Yeah, that damn constitution gets in the way doesn't it? Anyways, I'm not arguing that he didn't get what he deserved. But one does have to think about other aspects as well. And even if he was aiding and abetting terrorists. As an American citizen, he's still entitled to his constitutional rights. I know it sucks, but thems the brakes. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Not so new....from WW2 bombings to CIA actions overseas. American citizens were "terminated" with extreme prejudice, especially in espionage cases. Not in the way it happened this time. I'm sorry but it was different. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Bob Posted October 12, 2011 Author Report Posted October 12, 2011 Yeah, that damn constitution gets in the way doesn't it? Anyways, I'm not arguing that he didn't get what he deserved. But one does have to think about other aspects as well. And even if he was aiding and abetting terrorists. As an American citizen, he's still entitled to his constitutional rights. I know it sucks, but thems the brakes. Constitutional rights don't extend to Yemen. Maybe at the embassy, if there is one. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 I would love to see the video of the drone strike.... I like the ones where the bad guys are meticulously burying a roadside IED at night, get laser designated, and BOOM...they just disappear. Then some guys in a trailer back in Nevada give each other high fives! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Anyways, I'm not arguing that he didn't get what he deserved. But one does have to think about other aspects as well. And even if he was aiding and abetting terrorists. As an American citizen, he's still entitled to his constitutional rights. I know it sucks, but thems the brakes. I concur. I lived in France for awhile and the lack of individual rights and due process was noticeable. You could be stopped and searched at any time, and you had to carry ID at all times. This case opens questions as to what the limits of the government are/should be. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Not in the way it happened this time. I'm sorry but it was different. The method may have been different, but the intent and purpose was the same....dead perp and dead perp buddies. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 Anyways, I'm not arguing that he didn't get what he deserved. But one does have to think about other aspects as well. And even if he was aiding and abetting terrorists. As an American citizen, he's still entitled to his constitutional rights. I know it sucks, but thems the brakes. His survivors can sue Uncle Sam in federal court...maybe even get a few bucks. There is nothing unusual about American law enforcement or military killing perps who are American citizens. Remember Kent State? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 The method may have been different, but the intent and purpose was the same. I concur. Nobody's denying that the US will do what it deems necessary in order to further it's goals. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
The_Squid Posted October 12, 2011 Report Posted October 12, 2011 I would love to see the video of the drone strike. Sometimes I just spend like thirty minutes watching videos on YouTube of American and coalition soldiers killing the enemy (helicopter strikes, drone strikes, airplane strikes, live on-the-ground video, etc). Love it, love it, love it. LOL OK troll much? Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
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