JAmotue Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 As Harper moes us closer to the Monarchy again I was thinking. Such as the renaming of the Canadian Armed Forces back to the "Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Canadian Air Force and the Canadian Army" and the now Prominent placements of the Queen in at least our embassies (Im not sure about Federal ones here at home. What are your thoughts on the current and future status of the Crown? Quote
Smallc Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 The Crown will exist for a very long time into the future. It works, and changing away from it would be the most divisive fight this country had ever seen. I'm not sure what we would gain by moving away from the Crown, really. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 There's only one people who can drop the crown, and that's the Brits themselves. Wouldn't we all look silly then... Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 In light of this however, as a bit more serious afterthought... isn't it a statement that we reconnect with our Anglo-Saxon heritage? Canada identifying strongly again with British royalty, says Canada is inheritor of British culture... the English, the Scots. Aye laddie, bring us back the days of the kilts, and play us the pipes. I'll leave it to others to draw their own inferences of what that really means. Quote
Smallc Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 The Canadian Crown is about far more the British heritage. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 The Canadian Crown is about far more the British heritage. Can the King or Queen ever be... Canadian? Quote
Smallc Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 Can the King or Queen ever be... Canadian? The King or Queen doesn't hold citizenship of any country. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 Can the King or Queen ever be... Canadian? Yes, but not Catholic. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
maple_leafs182 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 I say we burn the crown to the ground. Lets become a constitutional republic with limited federal powers, I am sure Quebec would be happy with that. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
blueblood Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 The Crown will exist for a very long time into the future. It works, and changing away from it would be the most divisive fight this country had ever seen. I'm not sure what we would gain by moving away from the Crown, really. Those kings of england back in the day who enacted those reforms were pretty clever. They downloaded all the "boring" work onto parliament and still get to be the head of state and live a pretty swanky lifestyle. As far as I'm concerned royalty made out like bandits. Your right, it will exist for a very long time because it is literally pointless to change it. The cost benefit isn't there for change, and any royal with half a brain in their head just has to be mr. Nice guy and let parliamentarians take the fall for things that go south. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Jack Weber Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 In light of this however, as a bit more serious afterthought... isn't it a statement that we reconnect with our Anglo-Saxon heritage? Canada identifying strongly again with British royalty, says Canada is inheritor of British culture... the English, the Scots. Aye laddie, bring us back the days of the kilts, and play us the pipes. I'll leave it to others to draw their own inferences of what that really means. It's not pipes....It's "peeps!"... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Sir Bandelot Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 The King or Queen doesn't hold citizenship of any country. The citizenship holds them. Hence, "British Royal Family"... Quote
g_bambino Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 As Harper moes us closer to the Monarchy again I was thinking. Such as the renaming of the Canadian Armed Forces back to the "Royal Canadian Navy, Royal Canadian Air Force and the Canadian Army" and the now Prominent placements of the Queen in at least our embassies (Im not sure about Federal ones here at home. What are your thoughts on the current and future status of the Crown? Bambino's here with an opinion on a monarchy related matter... What a shocker! The monarchy isn't a detached object Canada moves in relation to. The monarchy in woven into the fabric of the country, for more than 500 years, since before there even was a Canada as we know it. It's the kingpin (mind the pun) of the whole federation, being the constitutional source of authority for the federal and all ten provincial governments, parliaments, and court systems, as well as the military and all the various police forces. That fact has never changed. What did change was attitudes towards it, expressed mostly, though not entirely, through symbolism. For some forty years, the trend was to incrementally and arbitrarily erase reminders of Canada's status as a constitutional monarchy, a gradual republicanism by neglect, at best, by stealth, at worst; remove crowns, delete 'royal's, take down pictures of the Queen, stop teaching proper civics in schools, call the governor general head of state. We're now shifting back again, with the present government ceasing to either not care or be hostile to the truth that the country is, like Norway, Spain, Denmark, Japan, Australia, Belgium, the UK, etc., a sovereign kingdom. There are the expected moaners. But, these people tend to be misinformed, under the impression that the Statute of Westminster 1931 and the Canada Act 1982 never happened and, further, haven't grasped the concept of personal union, wherein one individual acts distinctly as monarch for each of two or more separate and independent countries. For them, Canada is still a colony that, until the present Cabinet was appointed, was evolving towards independence. Of course, independence came a long time ago. I find it all refreshingly honest (though this government is dishonest in a number of other ways) and mature. Whatever one's opinion on the concepts of monarchy versus republic, as long as Canada is the former, there should be no hiding it. There was something embarrassingly juvenile about all the cringing and fussing over the Crown and trying to keep it mostly hidden under the rug. And something sinister about the institution being buried so that the prime minister could seem even more powerful; it's worrisome to me when the vast majority of the population thinks the prime minister is the head of state and the Queen just a decorative, and thus disposable, ornament. If there's to be constitutional change, it should be according to the process spelled out in the constitution itself and based on rational, factual arguments, not for reasons built on emotion and ignorance, themselves fostered by deliberate suppression of actuality. Quote
g_bambino Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) There's only one people who can drop the crown, and that's the Brits themselves. Wouldn't we all look silly then... Likely wouldn't make a damn difference to us. Certainly wouldn't affect our crown in any way whatsoever. The citizenship holds them. Hence, "British Royal Family"... You asked about the Queen. She holds no citizenship, of the UK, Canada, or any other country. Some members of the Royal Family are Canadian citizens; most are British. That fact, though, has no bearing on the other truth that they're still not considered foreigners to Canada. Hence, "Canadian Royal Family". [+] Edited October 5, 2011 by g_bambino Quote
g_bambino Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 Lets become a constitutional republic with limited federal powers, I am sure Quebec would be happy with that. Bollocks. Quebec sovereigntists would welcome a president of Canada in exactly the same way they do the Queen of Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 What if the Royals just said "screw it, we're tired of all this monarchy crap"? Then they all moved to Florida. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
maple_leafs182 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 Bollocks. Quebec sovereigntists would welcome a president of Canada in exactly the same way they do the Queen of Canada. How do they react to us having a Queen? I think people in Quebec are more angry about the fact that people who don't live in Quebec have an influence over what policies govern them. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
wyly Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 The Crown will exist for a very long time into the future. It works, and changing away from it would be the most divisive fight this country had ever seen. I'm not sure what we would gain by moving away from the Crown, really. over stated by great deal...eliminating the crown would be no more divisive than we eliminated the red ensign and picked our flag... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) over stated by great deal...eliminating the crown would be no more divisive than we eliminated the red ensign and picked our flag... I'm not sure you understand what would be involved in eliminating the Crown. It has nothing in common with changing a flag. It would literally, first of all, cost billions of dollars and take years. Edited October 5, 2011 by Smallc Quote
g_bambino Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 I think people in Quebec are more angry about the fact that people who don't live in Quebec have an influence over what policies govern them. If by "people" you mean "sovereigntists", then: precisely. They won't be happy until there's a President of Quebec living in the independent state of Quebec. A President of Canada would be a federal creature: not only representative of the majority of the already primarily Anglophone federal electorate, but also resident in Ottawa, and the person who's signature would create federal laws affecting Quebec. Sovereigntists would not be appeased. Quote
wyly Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 I'm not sure you understand what would be involved in eliminating the Crown. It has nothing in common with changing a flag. It would literally, first of all, cost billions of dollars and take years. whenever you come across a federal document strike out "crown" and replace with republic or federation or whatever fancy word you like...billions is just scare tactics... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 If by "people" you mean "sovereigntists", then: precisely. They won't be happy until there's a President of Quebec living in the independent state of Quebec. A President of Canada would be a federal creature: not only representative of the majority of the already primarily Anglophone federal electorate, but also resident in Ottawa, and the person who's signature would create federal laws affecting Quebec. Sovereigntists would not be appeased. you're deflecting making the sovereigntists a scapegoat, they're a non-issue... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 whenever you come across a federal document strike out "crown" and replace with republic or federation or whatever fancy word you like...billions is just scare tactics... No, it isn't just about that. First, you can't change all of the laws just like that. Second, you're forgetting the treaties, the Constitution and the unanimous consent clause, the fact that our federal system would have to be completely redesigned and that all the provinces would have to agree on that, as well as a million other things that I'm forgetting at this late hour. It isn't as simple as you want to make it out to be. Quote
wyly Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 No, it isn't just about that. First, you can't change all of the laws just like that. Second, you're forgetting the treaties, the Constitution and the unanimous consent clause, the fact that our federal system would have to be completely redesigned and that all the provinces would have to agree on that, as well as a million other things that I'm forgetting at this late hour. It isn't as simple as you want to make it out to be. actually it is that simple we do not have to change the way we govern ourselves, replace queen with an elected GG or President and it's done...claims otherwise is just an excuse not to change by royalists... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 all heil king william and queen kate Quote
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