Sir Bandelot Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Pfft , you should come here more often. Why we have... The Big Nickle in Sudbury Big Apple on the 401. Wayne Gretzky statue Terry Fox statue :angry: Don't you be messin with my apple pies! I do recall the CN Tower being listed as under threat. And other sites where tourists tend to congregate, like Niagara Falls and the Peace Tower in Ottawa. Quote
maple_leafs182 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Since that's not what anyone is saying, your question has no bearing. However, people have said that we had it coming re: 9-11. Since you apparently are able to put yourself in a Muslim person's in Iran or whatever shoes, how do you expect Americans to react? After 9/11 your country and a boat load of other countries including canada retaliated by going to war. You condone those action but when thousands of people in the middle east have been murdered by you guys and when they retaliate, you consider their actions to be evil. Is that a double standard. People keep saying but they killed innocent people here which is true but it is not like thousands of innocent people haven't been killed over there. And as for whether or not your government is lying or not, look at the campaign going on in order to go to war with Iran. Iran has been neutral longer then sweden, they haven't started a war in over a hundred years(I read one article that said they haven't started a war since the 1700's, don't know if that is true or not), they do not have a history of wanting to attack others yet many people in your government and in the media claim they are a threat. Clearly that isn't true, there are some very powerful people in your country that want war, they will lie to gain support...just like WMD's in iraq. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
Shady Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 After 9/11 your country and a boat load of other countries including canada retaliated by going to war. You condone those action but when thousands of people in the middle east have been murdered by you guys and when they retaliate, you consider their actions to be evil. Your premise is absurd. You're equating regular Muslims with Al Qaeda and other terrorists. When they (normal Muslims are killed), they (Al Qaeda) retaliates. That's pretty darn racist if you think all Muslims are terrorists. Secondly, their deaths unfortunately are a result of their reprehensible governments and/or leaders. Do you blame the allies in world war two for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Germans? Or do you blame the regime that brought violence upon them because of their actions? Quote
GostHacked Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Your premise is absurd. You're equating regular Muslims with Al Qaeda and other terrorists. I do not believe he is trying to equate the two. Not based on Maple_Leafs post history. There are a select few who think like that. When they (normal Muslims are killed), they (Al Qaeda) retaliates. In cased like Libya, we as the west, are supporting Al-Queda by propping up the rebels, whose leader is said to be of Al-Queda. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/libya-rebel-leader-al-qaeda_n_941752.html That's pretty darn racist if you think all Muslims are terrorists. OH please, Shady, you are a little late on this one. Secondly, their deaths unfortunately are a result of their reprehensible governments and/or leaders. And by that, do we blame the terrorists for the attack, or do we blame the CIA and other security/intelligence agencies that did not heed the warnings before 9/11? Do you blame the allies in world war two for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Germans? Or do you blame the regime that brought violence upon them because of their actions? Dresden comes to mind. Quote
Army Guy Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 To say the US had it coming is absolutely Moronic, in fact damn right insensitive to our southern neighbours, and to those Canadian citizens who also died that day ....a day of remembrance no less....and judging by what a few posters that have based their opinions on what sounds like regurgitated propaganda spewed out by the left, others and unfortunately those Canadians that want to remain trendy by shaking their long crooked fingers at our allies and blame the worlds problems on the US. How we like to have our cake and eat it to....I mean Canada depends on the US for it's very existence...be it in Trade, ya we like the color of money don't we....and we love the America dollar just as much as the next guy...be it for defence...YA we like paying nearly dick all for our own defence, life is good living under the US defence umbrella.... And for the most part we like that it is the US that is the worlds policemen....unlike say Russia, or perhaps China in the near future....we like that fact they pay for all that.... something bad happens and the our first thought is "when are the Americans going to react to that" like some kid hiding behind his big brothers back.... Someone once mentioned what does it mean to be Canadian, their reply was Not to be American....Don't get me wrong but if that’s all we got it's pretty sad....but reading some of these posts that is exactly what comes across...just putting that in perspective or changing shoes for one second....if I was American and reading these posts I’d be showing you the door, saying thanks for coming out, but your not worth it.... To give the actions of Bin Ladin and his merry crew or for that matter any terrorist group with an axe to grind any credence is just plain retarded...yes I said retarded ....Who gave anyone the right to take innocence life’s because they did not like anyone’s foreign policy, or the way the west was treating one religion....and where does it stop...I've yet to get my pilots lic and fly a plane into someone’s home because I did not like what they posted here....there can only be one line in the sand...and that is to send one message to all those with axes to grind, you mess with the bull and your going to get the horns...or we are forever going to be dealing with these wing nuts until we appease them all. The message we should be sending our brothers and sisters in the south on this day is we mourn with you we stand with you, shoulder to shoulder, in this conflict...nothing more nothing less. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Wild Bill Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 The message we should be sending our brothers and sisters in the south on this day is we mourn with you we stand with you, shoulder to shoulder, in this conflict...nothing more nothing less. Many of us do, Army Guy. Perhaps most of us! We're not all "yammerheads". Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
dre Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 To say the US had it coming is absolutely Moronic, in fact damn right insensitive to our southern neighbours, and to those Canadian citizens who also died that day ....a day of remembrance no less....and judging by what a few posters that have based their opinions on what sounds like regurgitated propaganda spewed out by the left, others and unfortunately those Canadians that want to remain trendy by shaking their long crooked fingers at our allies and blame the worlds problems on the US. How we like to have our cake and eat it to....I mean Canada depends on the US for it's very existence...be it in Trade, ya we like the color of money don't we....and we love the America dollar just as much as the next guy...be it for defence...YA we like paying nearly dick all for our own defence, life is good living under the US defence umbrella.... And for the most part we like that it is the US that is the worlds policemen....unlike say Russia, or perhaps China in the near future....we like that fact they pay for all that.... something bad happens and the our first thought is "when are the Americans going to react to that" like some kid hiding behind his big brothers back.... Someone once mentioned what does it mean to be Canadian, their reply was Not to be American....Don't get me wrong but if that’s all we got it's pretty sad....but reading some of these posts that is exactly what comes across...just putting that in perspective or changing shoes for one second....if I was American and reading these posts I’d be showing you the door, saying thanks for coming out, but your not worth it.... To give the actions of Bin Ladin and his merry crew or for that matter any terrorist group with an axe to grind any credence is just plain retarded...yes I said retarded ....Who gave anyone the right to take innocence life’s because they did not like anyone’s foreign policy, or the way the west was treating one religion....and where does it stop...I've yet to get my pilots lic and fly a plane into someone’s home because I did not like what they posted here....there can only be one line in the sand...and that is to send one message to all those with axes to grind, you mess with the bull and your going to get the horns...or we are forever going to be dealing with these wing nuts until we appease them all. The message we should be sending our brothers and sisters in the south on this day is we mourn with you we stand with you, shoulder to shoulder, in this conflict...nothing more nothing less. Who the hell are you ranting at? Who said that the US "had it coming"? The message we should be sending our brothers and sisters in the south on this day is we mourn with you we stand with you, shoulder to shoulder, in this conflict...nothing more nothing less. No people should say exactly what they think... Realizing that our own actions are one of the many factors that helped create the current environment has nothing to do with thinking anyone "had it coming". Not one single person that died in the WTC had anything coming at all. But even western governmental organizations and intelligence agencies will tell you that our actions over there have contributed towards a number of unintended consequences. More importantly though... Theres some hawks on both sides that are beating the drums of war, and trying to ratchet up hostilities, and create MORE trouble. We need regular folks to start asking these people some tough questions, and more than likely we are gonna have to tell them to shut the fuck and sit the fuck down. Youre vailed suggestion that we shouldnt question these things, its just nuts, and its diametically opposed the way our society is supposed to work. The last thing we need is toadies that think its political incorrect to question governments actions, and their account of things. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
CitizenX Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 (edited) The message we should be sending our brothers and sisters in the south on this day is we mourn with you we stand with you, shoulder to shoulder, in this conflict...nothing more nothing less. Should we ignore the fact that the American Government reaction was criminal. Should we ignore the fact of 102,417 - 111,938 Documented Iraq civilian deaths. What about the use of torture?The rest of the world doesn't have the balls to call them on it. Place the blame on the people responsible, and I'm not just talking about the so called terrorists. Blowback is a bitch. The American people paid the price for having a Corporatocracy. Edited September 15, 2011 by CitizenX Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 After 9/11 your country and a boat load of other countries including canada retaliated by going to war. No. We didn't "retaliate" by going to war. We sought justice, an attempt to end the terrorism, by going to war. You condone those action but when thousands of people in the middle east have been murdered by you guys and when they retaliate, you consider their actions to be evil. Is that a double standard. What "thousands of people?" And considering how many the 'terrorists' have killed themselves in the ME, I find their 'concern' hard to swallow. People keep saying but they killed innocent people here which is true but it is not like thousands of innocent people haven't been killed over there. I agree. But they have not been targeted. The goal was not to kill them. The plan was to make their lives a main consideration in our actions. And as for whether or not your government is lying or not, look at the campaign going on in order to go to war with Iran. Iran has been neutral longer then sweden, they haven't started a war in over a hundred years(I read one article that said they haven't started a war since the 1700's, don't know if that is true or not), they do not have a history of wanting to attack others yet many people in your government and in the media claim they are a threat. Interesting that you would dismiss them as a threat even as you say "don't know if that is true or not," but that in and of itself, even if true, doesn't dismiss them as a threat. You do realize that different people are in power through the years, right? Clearly that isn't true, there are some very powerful people in your country that want war, they will lie to gain support...just like WMD's in iraq. Odd how you believe "that is not true" regarding Iran, yet you believe the worst regarding the U.S. As a side note: Which country would you rather live in? Quote
Army Guy Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Who the hell are you ranting at? Who said that the US "had it coming"? Have you read this entire post or the others on the same topic .....take a minute and catch up. Shit you even acknowleged it below ....that is one of your posts is it not.... The attacks are definately a classic example of BLOWBACK. But that doesnt mean anyone "had it coming"... Especially not the 2000+ people in the world trade center. Actions have consequences. Sometimes good ones, sometimes bad ones, some times planned ones, and sometimes unexpected ones. Realizing that our own actions are one of the many factors that helped create the current environment has nothing to do with thinking anyone "had it coming". Not one single person that died in the WTC had anything coming at all. But even western governmental organizations and intelligence agencies will tell you that our actions over there have contributed towards a number of unintended consequences. Are you saying that Bin Labin may have had legitimate excuses for Sept 11, or are you saying US foreign policy may of been one of the dozens of excuses Bin Ladin used to attack.... More importantly though... Theres some hawks on both sides that are beating the drums of war, and trying to ratchet up hostilities, and create MORE trouble. We need regular folks to start asking these people some tough questions, and more than likely we are gonna have to tell them to shut the fuck and sit the fuck down. Trust me, if there is one Canadian that could stop this conflict with out blood shed i'd would be that guy...but i've seen these guys in action up close and personal and nothing is going to stop them except the use of force. And until you understand that then your not understanding the problem.... perhaps it is you that needs to answer some tough questions like is your money on the right horse....just maybe these so called hawks are right...and maybe just maybe you need to sit down and listen alittle. Youre vailed suggestion that we shouldnt question these things, its just nuts, and its diametically opposed the way our society is supposed to work. The last thing we need is toadies that think its political incorrect to question governments actions, and their account of things. My vailed suggestion?..I have no problem with questions debates,what ever....but there is not much to question here is there, Bin Ladin planned and carried out an attack on the Towers, killing over 3000 people in the matter of minutes....we all watched in horror that day the events unfolded..we as a nation also cheered the day our nation sent over Combat forces to assist in this new conflict....started by a man with some twisted ideas to get even at the great satin for evil things they had done to whom exactly.... No where in my post did i suggest we could not question any action, our governmant has taken...but this is not about our government is it....as far as the US government decision to react to the murder of 3000 of it's citizens "giver"uestion all you wantbut i'd like to think it was the right one, on both nations part. if that makes me a toadie so be it....any other toadies out there....or do you beleive Bin ladin had justification for the attck. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 ....The rest of the world doesn't have the balls to call them on it... Go right ahead....then call your own country on it. CF-188's don't drop candy coated hockey pucks. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CitizenX Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Go right ahead....then call your own country on it. CF-188's don't drop candy coated hockey pucks. Canada was not involved in the illegal war in Iraq. Canada does not use torture. I'm going to start calling you Mr. Misdirect. If I was American I wouldn't want to look in the mirror either. Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
Guest American Woman Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Canada was not involved in the illegal war in Iraq. Canada does not use torture. I'm going to start calling you Mr. Misdirect. If I was American I wouldn't want to look in the mirror either. OMG. More like the Canadian making the post doesn't want to look in the mirror. Point in fact. Bush_cheney and I don't agree on a lot, but he never has a problem "looking in the mirror." Can't say the same for you. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Canada was not involved in the illegal war in Iraq. Canada does not use torture. I'm going to start calling you Mr. Misdirect. If I was American I wouldn't want to look in the mirror either. Oh yes it was...directly and indirectly. Furthermore, Canada actively solicited oil services contracts during the occupation by "invaders". You will always have zero credibility as a barking Canadian who refuses to accept your own country's complicity in many such things. No torture? See "Somalia Affair". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CitizenX Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 OMG. More like the Canadian making the post doesn't want to look in the mirror. Point in fact. Bush_cheney and I don't agree on a lot, but he never has a problem "looking in the mirror." Can't say the same for you. Chretien knew this was an ilegal war and kept Canada out of it. What do Canadians have to be ashamed of? Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
Army Guy Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Should we ignore the fact that the American Government reaction was criminal. Should we ignore the fact of 102,417 - 111,938 Documented Iraq civilian deaths. What about the use of torture?The rest of the world doesn't have the balls to call them on it. Place the blame on the people responsible, and I'm not just talking about the so called terrorists. Blowback is a bitch. The American people paid the price for having a Corporatocracy. you do know we are talking about Sept 11, 2001....and Iraq and Afghanistan wars are not related in anyway right.... may be you should do some research first.....get some dates compare time lines you know some research... Blow back or did you mean payback.... Corporatocracy, could cover the entire western world....do we all deserve to be attacked for some twisted reasons or just the US.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CitizenX Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 You will always have zero credibility as a barking Canadian who refuses to accept your own country's complicity in many such things. No torture? See "Somalia Affair". You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. There is a HUGE difference between a few knuckle head criminals acting on their own behalf, and an American Government endorsement of torture. Please think before you type, I will no longer respond to these retarded comments. Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Chretien knew this was an ilegal war and kept Canada out of it. What do Canadians have to be ashamed of? Nothing, as it was very appropriate to continue support of an American carrier battle group with one of your fine frigates (HMCS Iroquois) while it attacked Iraq, to provide overflight rights and refueling stops in Canada for military aircraft, to keep Canadian military personnel deployed with American CINCs and field units, up to and including combat missions. We joked that even as Canadians like you thought there was no involvement, Canada actually provided more support than many of the smaller nations (coalition of the willing). Salute! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CitizenX Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 you do know we are talking about Sept 11, 2001....and Iraq and Afghanistan wars are not related in anyway right....may be you should do some research first.....get some dates compare time lines you know some research... Iraq and Afghanistan wars are not related to 9-11? Blow back or did you mean payback.... I mean Blowback Corporatocracy, could cover the entire western world....do we all deserve to be attacked for some twisted reasons or just the US.... Corporate America has been using the American military as their personal goons for many years. Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
Army Guy Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 Chretien knew this was an ilegal war and kept Canada out of it. What do Canadians have to be ashamed of? Then you should ask Mr Chretien what agreements he signed without general public knowledge, shit we had over 30 active regular force memebrs in US army units during both wars....we also had serveral Canadian Naval units patroling the Gulf during the war ....ya you guessed it assisting US naval activities in the Gulf war....in both gulf wars.... not counting of course the Airforces role with Maritime patrol aircraft,CF 18's and the Army also had a field Hospital, and Inf support to the hospital....during the first gulf war , not so much in the 2 And. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 15, 2011 Report Posted September 15, 2011 You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. There is a HUGE difference between a few knuckle head criminals acting on their own behalf, and an American Government endorsement of torture. Please think before you type, I will no longer respond to these retarded comments. Really? Not only was there torture....but murder as well! That's almost...American! The funny part is that your torture became Canada's Great Shame, while we make heros out of people who obtain actionable intel enhanced interogation (e.g. waterboarding). Then a Canadian actor plays Jack Bower on 24....you can't make this stuff up. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Derek L Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 Nothing, as it was very appropriate to continue support of an American carrier battle group with one of your fine frigates (HMCS Iroquois) while it attacked Iraq, to provide overflight rights and refueling stops in Canada for military aircraft, to keep Canadian military personnel deployed with American CINCs and field units, up to and including combat missions. We joked that even as Canadians like you thought there was no involvement, Canada actually provided more support than many of the smaller nations (coalition of the willing). Salute! To add to that, our current Chief of Defence Staff, Walter Natynczyk, was the deputy commanding general of III corp during Iraqi Freedom... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 (edited) To add to that, our current Chief of Defence Staff, Walter Natynczyk, was the deputy commanding general of III corp during Iraqi Freedom... Yup..just as you say: Amongst the Canadian officers who were sent to Iraq were: Brigadier General Walter Natynczyk, who was later appointed Chief of the Defence Staff; Major General Peter Devlin, who served since 14 December 2006 as Multi-National Corps-Iraq Deputy Command General as part of his role as Deputy Commander of the US III Corps through an officer exchange program;[5] and General Nicolas Matern, a special forces officer and former commander of Canada's elite counter-terrorism unit, who in mid February 2008 began service as deputy to Lieutenant General Lloyd Austin. Canada also supported the training of Iraqi police units....don't taze me 'Bro! Edited September 16, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 Iraq and Afghanistan wars are not related to 9-11? Both wars are not related to each other....Afghanistan is the result of the 9/11 attacks.... 2and Gulf war...happen well after the 9/11 attack in which the UN approval was not intially granted, and the alligations of torture happened ...like i said some research.... I mean Blowback exactly what US actions are responsiable to tip Bin Ladin over the edge , and exicute Sept 11.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Guest American Woman Posted September 16, 2011 Report Posted September 16, 2011 Chretien knew this was an ilegal war and kept Canada out of it. What do Canadians have to be ashamed of? You tell me. In the Wake of Wikileaks: A Media Critique of Revelations about Canadian Duplicity in Iraq “One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives.” Quote
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