Airships in the north

[William Ashley]

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/43291--northern-aviator-signs-first-arctic-airship-deal

The price for production was much higher than "my mass produced" plan to create "stealth detection / mobile air defence / transport of goods / search and rescue / communications relay, and a "air based pipeline" for methane gas production from northern peat swamps and bogs - to bottle mass swampgas type reserves for processing and use of methane and cycled down hydrogen (and use of carbon for nanocarbon production of a space elevator (and roll out of nanocarbon hybrid products) (all in one model) (use of nanocarbon products will extend product life, improving productive efficiency)

None the less it is nice to see someone actually starting my plan - even though it doesn't seem to be a grand fleet and the production price is "way" higher than my model. - and it is generally only aimed at transport rather than communication / military / and search and rescue - firefighting etc..

I hope this brings down the cost of living in the north.

(It will also be interesting to see how the US military deploys their model..)

This is one example

http://www.space.com/8615-army-orders-huge-airship-aid-combat-missions.html

(where is bowser?)

There is definite "interest" because of the homeland security intended usages...

Here is a look at the company

http://www.hybridairvehicles.com/

Take for instance israel... as with iron dome

they could just build a huge transparent airship across the entire trajectory of rocket attacks with blow away plate shielding.. and have a defence.. the applications are many.

50 km is only 50000 meters. Or what about cloud9's - and Israel could settle the air instead of palestinian land

Others can do MUCH more

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1317510/The-giant-Skylifter-airships-carry-buildings-hundreds-miles.html

Edited September 5, 2011 by William Ashley

[PIK]

What a great idea, probably to good to come tru. lol

[Tilter]

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/43291--northern-aviator-signs-first-arctic-airship-deal

The price for production was much higher than "my mass produced" plan to create "stealth detection / mobile air defence / transport of goods / search and rescue / communications relay, and a "air based pipeline" for methane gas production from northern peat swamps and bogs - to bottle mass swampgas type reserves for processing and use of methane and cycled down hydrogen (and use of carbon for nanocarbon production of a space elevator (and roll out of nanocarbon hybrid products) (all in one model) (use of nanocarbon products will extend product life, improving productive efficiency)

None the less it is nice to see someone actually starting my plan - even though it doesn't seem to be a grand fleet and the production price is "way" higher than my model. - and it is generally only aimed at transport rather than communication / military / and search and rescue - firefighting etc..

I hope this brings down the cost of living in the north.

(It will also be interesting to see how the US military deploys their model..)

This is one example

http://www.space.com/8615-army-orders-huge-airship-aid-combat-missions.html

(where is bowser?)

There is definite "interest" because of the homeland security intended usages...

Here is a look at the company

http://www.hybridairvehicles.com/

Take for instance israel... as with iron dome

they could just build a huge transparent airship across the entire trajectory of rocket attacks with blow away plate shielding.. and have a defence.. the applications are many.

50 km is only 50000 meters. Or what about cloud9's - and Israel could settle the air instead of palestinian land

Others can do MUCH more

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1317510/The-giant-Skylifter-airships-carry-buildings-hundreds-miles.html

I don't know what your airship idea was or is

actually starting my plan - even though it doesn't seem to be a grand fleet and the production price is "way" higher than my model

but I've been watching the redevelopment of the airship and you have to be right about the idea of using them to great advantage in the North. The price per pound delivered has to be a lot less than with conventional air freight and the advantages of not needing roads or runways is a huge one especially in an area where a car, road or runway can sink into the bog it's on overnight leaving puzzled people behind wondering where they parked their RV & why the only thing showing is the flag they tied onto the Antenna :lol:

[William Ashley]

I don't know what your airship idea was or is but I've been watching the redevelopment of the airship and you have to be right about the idea of using them to great advantage in the North. The price per pound delivered has to be a lot less than with conventional air freight and the advantages of not needing roads or runways is a huge one especially in an area where a car, road or runway can sink into the bog it's on overnight leaving puzzled people behind wondering where they parked their RV & why the only thing showing is the flag they tied onto the Antenna :lol:

The Harper Government is still planning an all season road into the North. It cost more than their new bomb shell casings for Libya

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2011/03/22/north-fed-budget-highway-reax.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuktoyaktuk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik

The distance is not great.

It looks to be about 100-200km. Although the road price actually seems a little "low" compared to some road construction costs here in Ontario.

The cost is surprising because it connects a village of about 1000 people (at a cost of 150 million dollars). I'm sure there is relevance (and rationalities even if not based in a sane reality) however I need to read more about the reasons why.

That road would pay for 3+ of these airships. (although they are priced high) (the airships have an advantage because they can operate over the ocean and deliver things like stuff under 200 tons like parts of oil rigs or boats) - they can also land on ice.

Think modular rigs

www.iadc.org/dcpi/dc-septoct06/Sept06-polaris.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_exploration_in_the_Arctic

http://in.reuters.com/video/2011/08/18/lockheed-martin-presents-airship-of-the?videoId=218454698

Edited September 5, 2011 by William Ashley

[fellowtraveller]

I won't be on this bandwagon until it is seen how they operate at -50.

[Tilter]

The Harper Government is still planning an all season road into the North. It cost more than their new bomb shell casings for Libya

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2011/03/22/north-fed-budget-highway-reax.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuktoyaktuk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik

The distance is not great.

It looks to be about 100-200km. Although the road price actually seems a little "low" compared to some road construction costs here in Ontario.

The cost is surprising because it connects a village of about 1000 people (at a cost of 150 million dollars). I'm sure there is relevance (and rationalities even if not based in a sane reality) however I need to read more about the reasons why.

That road would pay for 3+ of these airships. (although they are priced high) (the airships have an advantage because they can operate over the ocean and deliver things like stuff under 200 tons like parts of oil rigs or boats) - they can also land on ice.

Think modular rigs

www.iadc.org/dcpi/dc-septoct06/Sept06-polaris.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_exploration_in_the_Arctic

http://in.reuters.com/video/2011/08/18/lockheed-martin-presents-airship-of-the?videoId=218454698

When talking of a development like the airship idea the government will not be a viable vehicle to that development. They are an elected body and change too often to sponsor that innovative an idea, an idea that could be kicked out in 4 years along with the government that sponsored it. The idea needs a corporate sponsor and with the kind of investment needed, a big sponsor.

Hope I live to see it happen but I won't hold my breath.

[William Ashley]

I won't be on this bandwagon until it is seen how they operate at -50.

http://www.airshipstothearctic.com/

It is being handled by the US.. if Canada doesn't create its own product it will loose out on this market that has grand potential within Canada.

http://www.isopolar.ca/

http://vanhorne.info/

Edited September 5, 2011 by William Ashley

[bush_cheney2004]

....It is being handled by the US.. if Canada doesn't create its own product it will loose out on this market that has grand potential within Canada.

Yep...just like the F-35...it is being "handled" by Lockheed-Martin!

[Squeakbox]

This sounds as good as the fighter jet plan - wasting money!

Sounds efficient in the long run however, I agree, but then we still have natural disasters biting us in the butt.

Yes, let the government spend more money on high-tech and less on people with special physical/dietary/mental needs. If there was more support to people with REAL needs, then we wouldn't be getting people on the streets.

It's also SO risky to make a living by physical work too, especially when you have to deal with sexual harassment and other issues these days.

You will never be able to REDUCE the cost of living, because the owners of the apartment complexes are greedy (grabbing as much money as they can) and not hiring enough or paying enough into proper care.

Did you know that on the iciest day of winter last year, the walkway in my area was UNSALTED for an entire 2-3 days? They did f-all.. It's only up to the government WHEN they start stepping in the right way to control these issues - there's not enough rent-income housing, and that's not a BS statement.

The most I get is around $800 to $900 a month, and that does NOT give me enough for food on my own with the cost of rent being in the same range. When my mother dies, it only goes up by $10 a month. Also, the government has cut off costs for people with special dietary needs, so now they have to work "under the table" to get proper means to live!

Anyone who works in the government is getting rich-off-their arses compared to the average worker, and pensions for anyone who has HAD to work all their life, NOT MAKING ENOUGH TO GO TO COLLEGE, and gets the government's version of a "worker's pension" (I think it's called that) is a f-ing joke! Nobody can retire, save, or benefit off of government support from the sht money they're handing out!

So here we are, spending on these stupid wars, aircrafts, and other BUNK and people with special needs aren't getting the proper care. OH OKAY, I lied... sorry. I guess if you're horridly physically disfigured, you get help. "Oh here you go, we see you're not normal -obviously-, so we'll help you MORE!", but THAT is understandable. What is NOT understandable is that a person with hidden problems, even physical, or with mental/dietary needs are being brushed aside - because we look like normal people.

I'm getting the most possible - it's not enough to buy what I need to maintain my health and sanity on my own! The only positive is that I know how to program, and I can set up -maybe- my own business to earn cash on the side - how is that a guarantee though?

Surely I can get a business going, but if I'm living on this stupid welfare, I don't have my confidence in the system!

Good luck getting people to pay what your business is worth, maybe they get so much money they figure you need to charge less, or they can't afford what you're selling!

US is spending $$$ on their monument to create their dream-building, the "highest building in the world" crap for the twin towers. Fine enough, but here you have a cancer patient who can't afford gas in his car to get to his chemo or food!

Here Canada is after the war in Afghanistan (or Pakistan... is it over yet anyways? I lost track) and we're getting whole FAMILIES on the street.

What's just as worse is that people who get through college don't always get a job - it's a flawed system.

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Back to the topic - yes, a great idea, but why can't we put this theory aside until we figure this system out?

(I know my post is broken, but I'm too tired to go into detail on each issue... that would make this post too long.)

Edited September 17, 2011 by Squeakbox

[William Ashley]

Sounds like atleast one of the symposiums for the North, is being held in Seatle soon

[Shwa]

Here is another story about 'Solar Ship'that is looking to do the same sort of things for remote areas.

Toronto start-up designs solar-powered hybrid aircraft

Mining companies operating in the most remote areas of Canada may want to take notice. Ditto for humanitarian groups looking for better ways to get life-saving medical supplies to hard-to-reach, disaster-stricken regions.

A Toronto company called Solar Ship has designed an aircraft that it says will be able to travel 1,000 kilometres carrying up to 1,000 kilograms of cargo, powered only by the sunlight that shines on its back. It will also be able to take off from — and land on — a spot no larger than a high-school soccer field.

Not quite an airship, not quite an airplane, the solar ship is a hybrid of both. The delta-shaped aircraft will be filled with helium, but slightly less than what’s required to lift it off the ground.

...

[August1991]

Solar airships in the far north? Maybe in July, but flying time in December would be, uh, short.

HB-SIA uses four electric motors turning propellers. These can produce a maximum of 9 kilowatts, or 12 horsepower—which is about the same amount of power that the Wright brothers had. With all four engines at full power, HB-SIA is only as powerful as a motor scooter.

The Economist

What I find interesting here is that above cloud cover, and if flight time is scheduled properly, the aircraft has exposure to 100% sunlight. Moreover, wings are ideally designed for solar panels.

The problem is to get aloft, and then to control landings. Batteries are prohibitively heavy. Maybe the solution is to have assisted take-off, and landing. Hybrid aircraft.

Until solar panels become far more efficient, or someone invents a way to store electricity easily in light material, I can only see these aircraft having military applications: wide-span survey drones to redirect Predators with the missiles.

Edited October 17, 2011 by August1991

[Tilter]

I won't be on this bandwagon until it is seen how they operate at -50.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH---- the temperature above 10 feet is ALWAYS below zero and at 20,000 it's always Damn cold. They would have to operate at fairly high levels if fuel economy & safety were to be considered so, while you have a good point--- it's a given that the temperature would be a moot factor.

[Tilter]

Solar airships in the far north? Maybe in July, but flying time in December would be, uh, short.

The Economist

What I find interesting here is that above cloud cover, and if flight time is scheduled properly, the aircraft has exposure to 100% sunlight. Moreover, wings are ideally designed for solar panels.

The problem is to get aloft, and then to control landings. Batteries are prohibitively heavy. Maybe the solution is to have assisted take-off, and landing. Hybrid aircraft.

Until solar panels become far more efficient, or someone invents a way to store electricity easily in light material, I can only see these aircraft having military applications: wide-span survey drones to redirect Predators with the missiles.

Solar [power in the land of the midnight sun??--- :blink:

Edited October 18, 2011 by Tilter

[Bonam]

Just use moon panels instead of solar panels~

[Tilter]

Try this site

http://www.eaglespeak.us/2011/10/us-navy-first-airship-in-50-years.html

[fellowtraveller]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH---- the temperature above 10 feet is ALWAYS below zero and at 20,000 it's always Damn cold. They would have to operate at fairly high levels if fuel economy & safety were to be considered so, while you have a good point--- it's a given that the temperature would be a moot factor.

Never been too far from the 49th parallel, have you?

When ground temps are -50, it is anything but a moot point.

Metal, plastic, humans.... none of them work worth shit at low temps. Everything breaks. And airships too.