Layton Lionisation Excessive

[punked]

So you would think it's in bad taste.

So only partisan think tanks that the dead person founded is acceptable.

You will have to show me how it is partisan. Cite a report. I can do that for the Fraser institute so you do the same.

[Smallc]

Even in death, some of you can't respect someone on the other side, or their wishes? I'm sorry, but the posts on this thread by some really speak to a lack of moral decency, and I'm surprised at a couple of you actually. I didn't like Jack or the way he did politics, but I respect his final wishes, and I respect the way that people feel about him. He didn't really do anything to hurt any of us, and so that should be enough.

[noahbody]

No wait I am not that was just the type of man Jack was, a promise keeper.

Oh please! If there was one thing Jack never had to worry about it was keeping his promises. He could promise the NDP faithful whatever they wanted to hear, knowing he'd never form government and be accountable for his promises.

[punked]

Oh please! If there was one thing Jack never had to worry about it was keeping his promises. He could promise the NDP faithful whatever they wanted to hear, knowing he'd never form government and be accountable for his promises.

That is right he never had to worry about keeping his promises because from the time he was a city counselor he always kept his promises. Which is something I can only say of a handful politicians.

[Guest Peeves]

No one cares what you think of them. You might not approve of the millions who felt close to Jack that does not mean they have no right to morn and want to see him honored.

Fact is he is on every newspaper because his story is selling newspapers, meaning ALOT of people out there care. You don't have to turn the Chanel if you want but Millions of Canadians do care and when that many people feel strongly about something in Canada, Canada should listen.

So then, weighing Jack's life, would you or did you also think the near deification of Princess Diana by the world of the weird to be reasonable?

How about Mommy Theresa?

In the scheme of things these 'celebrated' deaths are akin to the fuss and fury of the death of Rudy Valentino or Elvis, or Mikey Jackson.

Sorry, Jack was a big man in the ND- Socialist camp and probably deserving of some special recognition for his success in the revitalization of his party, but let's remember,a short time ago , 6-7 -8 months, had he died his passing would have been a footnote in the history of (CANADA"S) party leaders. Not much beyond that, and otherwise an unknown.

I have read a lot about Jack. Hard worker, nice guy, father, husband, politician, but for all that, a mere politician that was a P.M. wannabe, and from a (third generation), family of politicians...( why didn't any get a real job )

The party is manipulating the 'event' to their advantage. I don't suggest that's unexpected, seems even Jack tried that with his final letter, but while I can understand the grab at the opportunity, I don't excuse it or pretend it's not happening.

Uh Uh.

[punked]

So then, weighing Jack's life, would you or did you also think the near deification of Princess Diana by the world of the weird to be reasonable?

How about Mommy Theresa?

Doesn't matter what I thought or what I did. There were people who needed to morn their deaths for one reason or another and who am I to judge them for that. I am a New Democrat if you are not hurting someone else I don't care how you live your life i believe in Freedom like that. I know you wouldn't understand you are a conservative so you think your will should be forced upon everyone. That is the difference between us.

Sorry, Jack was a big man in the ND- Socialist camp and probably deserving of some special recognition for his success in the revitalization of his party, but let's remember,a short time ago , 6-7 -8 months, had he died his passing would have been a footnote in the history of (CANADA"S) party leaders. Not much beyond that, and otherwise an unknown.

So there was a historic change in Canada so what? If Winston Churchill died at the age of one, no one would know what he could have become. So what? That is a stupid argument.

I have read a lot about Jack. Hard worker, nice guy, father, husband, politician, but for all that, a mere politician that was a P.M. wannabe, and from a (third generation), family of politicians...( why didn't any get a real job )

The party is manipulating the 'event' to their advantage. I don't suggest that's unexpected, seems even Jack tried that with his final letter, but while I can understand the grab at the opportunity, I don't excuse it or pretend it's not happening.

Uh Uh.

Again no one cares what you think. You don't like it turn the channel. It is distasteful to tell Canadians they can't celebrate a mans life because you didn't like him.

[Boges]

What else would a think tank do but forward it's party or ideologies agenda. That's by definition partisan. It's not bad or anything. Cept when you tell people who are mourning to donated to that cause.

[punked]

What else would a think tank do but forward it's party or ideologies agenda. That's by definition partisan. It's not bad or anything. Cept when you tell people who are mourning to donated to that cause.

So you are smart enough to know what a think does but others aren't? Is that what you are saying? I fail to see the "seedy" side of this whole thing? What is it spell it out please. Fact is Jack had one promise he hadn't filled in life and his final wish was leave the world with out leaving that promise. Why is that not commendable. We had a politician who even in death doesn't want to see what he promised go unfulfilled. What is the problem with that?

[Boges]

So you are smart enough to know what a think does but others aren't? Is that what you are saying? I fail to see the "seedy" side of this whole thing? What is it spell it out please. Fact is Jack had one promise he hadn't filled in life and his final wish was leave the world with out leaving that promise. Why is that not commendable. We had a politician who even in death doesn't want to see what he promised go unfulfilled. What is the problem with that?

Wouldn't something more noble be to have donations made to the Cancer Society?

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Conservatives are just upset because Jack is receiving more attention than any of their politicians would.

Stephen Harper would have less attention if he keeled over next week.

[Sir Bandelot]

Could it just be possible that the many Canadians who voted NDP in the last round, did so out of desperation for the fact that they've lost faith in the CPC and Liberals? Only to have their hopes dashed as Layton quickly succumbed to cancer? Hence the outpouring.

It is the death of HOPE for which they grieve...

Edited August 26, 2011 by Sir Bandelot

[Boges]

Conservatives are just upset because Jack is receiving more attention than any of their politicians would.

Stephen Harper would have less attention if he keeled over next week.

Which isn't an indication of his popularity compared to Jack Layton. Who won the election?

It's just that people who vote CPC have lives and perspective.

I couldn't imagine shedding a tear over a lost political leader.

[Boges]

Could it just be possible that the many Canadians who voted NDP in the last round, did so out of desperation for the fact that they've lost faith in the CPC and Liberals? Only to have their hopes dashed as Layton quickly succumbed to cancer? Hence the outpouring.

It is the death of HOPE for which they grieve...

The NDP only made marginal gains outside of Quebec. And in Quebec they essentially replaced the Bloc.

Now as punked likes to point out, in regards to their current leader, People can vote for the Bloc and not believe in separation. Which means the Bloc and the NDP differ very little in political ideology.

[punked]

Wouldn't something more noble be to have donations made to the Cancer Society?

He was the one who died not you. He wanted to keep his last promise, that sounds pretty noble to me.

[Guest Peeves]

Could it just be possible that the many Canadians who voted NDP in the last round, did so out of desperation for the fact that they've lost faith in the CPC and Liberals? Only to have their hopes dashed as Layton quickly succumbed to cancer? Hence the outpouring.

It is the death of HOPE for which they grieve...

Interesting thought. Nope, don't think so. Half the elected came from the disappointed in la belle province, and it wasn't so much the Conservatives they deserted but the The Bloc. The conservatives elected a majority government. That doesn't suggest any 'loss of faith' for the present government by the voters. It might well suggest that socialists are worried they not stable enough to even provide L'Opposition Loyale de Sa Majesté.

Nope, it's simply an excessive opportunity for exploiting his death.

[punked]

Now as punked likes to point out, in regards to their current leader, People can vote for the Bloc and not believe in separation. Which means the Bloc and the NDP differ very little in political ideology.

No that is not what that means. They are very different parties and just because their voters maybe the same that does not mean they are the same. It is poor logic and I expect more out of someone who isn't 10 years old, seriously think about your reasoning again.

[punked]

It is the death of HOPE for which they grieve...

Interesting thought. Nope, don't think so. Half the elected came from the disappointed in la belle province, and it wasn't so much the Conservatives they deserted but the The Bloc. The conservatives elected a majority government. That doesn't suggest any 'loss of faith' for the present government by the voters. It might well suggest that socialists are worried they not stable enough to even provide L'Opposition Loyale de Sa Majesté.

Nope, it's simply an excessive opportunity for exploiting his death.

Because that is what you believe everyone else must believe it to right? That is all I have gotten from you this thread.

[Guest Peeves]

Doesn't matter what I thought or what I did. There were people who needed to morn their deaths for one reason or another and who am I to judge them for that. I am a New Democrat if you are not hurting someone else I don't care how you live your life i believe in Freedom like that. I know you wouldn't understand you are a conservative so you think your will should be forced upon everyone. That is the difference between us.

So there was a historic change in Canada so what? If Winston Churchill died at the age of one, no one would know what he could have become. So what? That is a stupid argument.

Again no one cares what you think. You don't like it turn the channel. It is distasteful to tell Canadians they can't celebrate a mans life because you didn't like him.

Some might care what I think, or what many others are saying on a similar note.

See, I'm sorry Jack's death came after his reaching the epitome of his life. I am indeed sorry for that. The next few years would have been quite interesting with him in opposition, with half the party so green they are yet to set up in their constituencies.

I don't like his politics, but he did have qualities to admire.

It's a shame what is being done on his death.

[Guest Peeves]

Because that is what you believe everyone else must believe it to right? That is all I have gotten from you this thread.

Certainly not. I'm certainly supportive of your views. Good for you for expressing them.

Those that share your views have every right to feel and express them. I simply feel that much of what is going on fails the test of sincerity.

[Sir Bandelot]

Could it just be possible that the many Canadians who voted NDP in the last round, did so out of desperation for the fact that they've lost faith in the CPC and Liberals? Only to have their hopes dashed as Layton quickly succumbed to cancer? Hence the outpouring.

It is the death of HOPE for which they grieve...

Interesting thought. Nope, don't think so. Half the elected came from the disappointed in la belle province, and it wasn't so much the Conservatives they deserted but the The Bloc. The conservatives elected a majority government. That doesn't suggest any 'loss of faith' for the present government by the voters. It might well suggest that socialists are worried they not stable enough to even provide L'Opposition Loyale de Sa Majesté.

Nope, it's simply an excessive opportunity for exploiting his death.

Fine, I will concede that since it was only speculation.

But then who are all these people making such outpourings of sympathy towards Jack Layton? It's not just the media. There's all kinds of private citizens showing their respects. There must be something they admired about Jack Layton, and this resonates with them, even if they didn't vote for him.

I mean, if all these people didn't vote for him, how can it be a partisan effort to 'Lionize' him?

[cybercoma]

Agreed as well. Why didn't everyone love this guy so much why he was actually alive? All of a sudden my Facebook page is flooded with friends giving all these Layton tributes.

Did you sleep through the last election? People did love him this much when he was alive.

[Boges]

Did you sleep through the last election? People did love him this much when he was alive.

Until Polls showed that the NDP could form the opposition they were an afterthought to most people in the country.

BTW Punked, I'd really like to know some of the difference between the parties.

To the CPC it's irrelevant because these are people that won't vote for them anyway. It's not some national uprising of Liberals and Conservatives that suddenly saw Orange.

[punked]

BTW Punked, I'd really like to know some of the difference between the parties.

Seriously what world do you live in? We can start with one being a Federalist party and the other being a Separatist.

Edited August 26, 2011 by punked

[WWWTT]

You guys just can't wait until the man is finally six feet under to throw in a couple more kicks at him.

Just let the guy be dead in peace!

He was the leader of the opposition,many believed he would be the next prime minister.A prominent position in Canadian politics.

Like it or lump it he deserves the state funeral.

What bothers me is the motivation behind the criticism towards the media attention given to Jacks passing.

Shame on you!

WWWTT

[g_bambino]

Like it or lump it he deserves the state funeral.

No other opposition leader in Canadian history has received a state funeral. Even other eminent Canadians - Tommy Douglas, Terry Fox, Ernest Smith - didn't receive the honour. I'm curious to know why you think Jack "deserved" it.