M.Dancer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 gay activist? guy Seemann? Is it april? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 Guy Seemann is an intern, who acted on his own. Now you think everything an intern does can be attributed to the nation? To the government? When the video was exposed as a hoax, the Prime Minister's office said the video was promoted by an intern, Guy Seemann. "Mr Seemann is a 25-year-old who is interning in our office. His tweet was a mistake on his part. It was done without authorisation and without approval. His mistake has been pointed out to him." Just out of curiosity, when Carolyn Parrish. who was an MP in comparison to an intern, said "Damn Americans. Hate those bastards," do you think it would it have been appropriate to make headlines claiming 'Canada hates Americans - calls them bastards?' you're desperately hanging onto 'the intern did it' bs. why not respond to this: Update 3: A further clue as the hoax video’s origins appeared on Wednesday. As Max Blumenthal reported on Friday, one of the first people to promote the hoax video online seems to have been Neil Lazarus, a communications expert who claims on his professional Web site to have advised both the Israeli prime minister’s office and the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. That Mr. Lazarus posted the video on his Facebook wall is known because one of his Facebook friends, Elan Miller, found it there and shared it with his friends on the social network about 6 hours after it was first posted on YouTube. On Wednesday, a blogger at the Electronic Intifada told The Lede that someone in Mr. Miller’s Facebook network said that the video had just 35 views on YouTube shortly after it was shared by Mr. Miller late Thursday night. That means that Mr. Lazarus was one of the first people to watch the video and then advise others to do so. He has not yet responded to a request to explain how it was that he found out about the clip so soon after it was posted and before it attained any popularity. the information showing that israel is capable goes beyond the above connection. also mentioned in this thread is israel's use of the 'gay card' in past internet campaigns. if you're looking for a page with a signature from the israeli government as the only way you'll agree that the israeli government was behind it, then this conversation is over. but if you want to look at all the information surrounding the event, then what happened points directly at the israeli government. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Who cares...Hamas murders homosexuals. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 Who cares...Hamas murders homosexuals. who cares... hamas' views and actions on homosexuals has nothing to do with: 1) the flotillas campaign (which has members of LGBT participating in the campaign) and; 2) does not excuse creating a hoax video which seems to have been created by the israeli government Quote http://whoprofits.org/
M.Dancer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 hoax outrage Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 who cares... hamas' views and actions on homosexuals has nothing to do with: 1) the flotillas campaign (which has members of LGBT participating in the campaign) and; 2) does not excuse creating a hoax video which seems to have been created by the israeli government "Seems to" being the active phrase. Yeah...homosexuals supporting Hamas...must be into S&M. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 "Seems to" being the active phrase. Yeah...homosexuals supporting Hamas...must be into S&M. LGBT supports human rights. you should learn a little about it: http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/933/panel-video_how-now-bds-media-politics-and-queer-activism http://queersagainstpinkwashing.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/judith-butlers-oppna-brev-till-lgbt-centret/ http://www.bilerico.com/2010/07/jasbir_puar_on_homophobia_in_israel.php Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 LGBT supports human rights. you should learn a little about it: http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/933/panel-video_how-now-bds-media-politics-and-queer-activism http://queersagainstpinkwashing.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/judith-butlers-oppna-brev-till-lgbt-centret/ http://www.bilerico.com/2010/07/jasbir_puar_on_homophobia_in_israel.php Hamas does not support human rights. But, you probably wrote the charter... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 LGBT supports human rights. you should learn a little about it: http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/933/panel-video_how-now-bds-media-politics-and-queer-activism http://queersagainstpinkwashing.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/judith-butlers-oppna-brev-till-lgbt-centret/ http://www.bilerico.com/2010/07/jasbir_puar_on_homophobia_in_israel.php How was Pride Day in Gaza? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 How was Pride Day in Gaza? how is that connected to a hoax video distributed (and most likely created) by the israeli government portraying the flotilla activists as anti-gay? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 Hamas does not support human rights. But, you probably wrote the charter... i wrote the charter? you're back on the ignore list. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
M.Dancer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 how is that connected to a hoax video distributed (and most likely created) by the israeli government portraying the flotilla activists as anti-gay? The irony of it all....lets face it, the flotillas true organizers are as pro gay as Anita Bryant...and 10000 times as deadly... BTW, i wasn't aware the israeli gov't owned youtube....or maybe you're just full of shit and can't resist the slander and innuendo... which is it? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 The irony of it all....lets face it, the flotillas true organizers are as pro gay as Anita Bryant...and 10000 times as deadly... really? maybe you should learn a little about the people behind the flotillas, especially those from the united states and canada. there are members of LGBT on those ships. so your comment about hamas' views and actions on homosexuals has no bearing on what the people on the flotilla feel about homosexuals. BTW, i wasn't aware the israeli gov't owned youtube....or maybe you're just full of shit and can't resist the slander and innuendo...which is it? it's the israeli government's past and present propaganda using any means, including social media to get their propaganda out. it's about who originally posted the youtube video and his connection with the israeli government. all signs point to the government who has been caught lying many times. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 i wrote the charter? you're back on the ignore list. I'm sure my fellow posters can "quote me" into your reality. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 really? maybe you should learn a little about the people behind the flotillas, especially those from the united states and canada. there are members of LGBT on those ships. Hamas is behind the flotillas, The opinions of the useful idiots sailing on them is irrelevant. so your comment about hamas' views and actions on homosexuals has no bearing on what the people on the flotilla feel about homosexuals. other way round.... it's the israeli government's past and present propaganda using any means, including social media to get their propaganda out. it's about who originally posted the youtube video and his connection with the israeli government. all signs point to the government who has been caught lying many times. so was that a) or ? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bud Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Hamas is behind the flotillas, cite proof. here is who is behind the launch of the canadian flotilla, tell me how hamas is behind these people's decision to sail to gaza. if you're unable to show us how hamas is behind these people's decision and the boat, then we'll wait for your apology to these good people: Farid Ayad, Toronto, Palestine House A doctor and activist. He is the president and board member of Palestine House cultural centre. Ruth Breen, Fredericton, CUPW Farooq Burney, Toronto/Qatar (Mavi Marmara Survivor) Stéphan Corriveau, Montréal Montréal-based activist with an MA in international relations. For 30 years he's been advocating Canadian social justice issues from poverty reduction, housing rights, and rights of First Nations. He's also been active at the international level including the struggle against South African apartheid, supporting Palestinian rights and anti-war campaigns. Stephan is a founding member of Alternatives International. Kim Elliot, Ottawa, rabble.ca A writer, researcher, activist, and publisher of rabble.ca. She has been active in numerous social justice, human rights, anti-poverty and anti-racism initiatives as an organizer and facilitator. She is also a founding member of CEPAL – the Canadian-Palestinian Educational Exchange. Basem Emara, Toronto, Gaza Freedom March A participant in the Gaza Freedom March in December 2009 and continues to remain active on the working committee. He is a developer and consultant for dozens of Internet projects for educational, advocacy, and non-profit organizations. Leverages the power of the web to help steer and coordinate local, national, and international efforts. Wendy Goldsmith, London A social worker, writer, dedicated peace activist, and mother of three. She is an active member of People for Peace, London, and is committed to working for peace through community and coalition building, the promotion of diversity and dialogue. Elias Hazineh, Toronto David Heap, London, Gaza Freedom March & People for Peace A parent of two, a UWO faculty member (French & linguistics), and a peace and social justice activist. He participated in the Gaza Freedom March in December 2009 and hopes to help foster people-to-people links which build solidarity with Palestine. Christine Jones, Ottawa Christine Jones is the Co-Chair of the Canadian Peace Alliance, and Chair of ACT for the Earth. Her day job has her working to protect threatened human rights defenders. She was a founding member of the Toronto Coalition to Stop the War, the Ottawa Peace Assembly and Independent Jewish Voices. Eclectic, indignant, a bit shy, quirky and petulant. Redirecting rage to movement building. Mohamed S. Kamel, Montréal A professional engineer, a LEED Green Associate and a recognized project manager professional. He is a freelance writer, the editor of I.N. Daily, co-founder of the Canadian Egyptian for Democracy, Alternative Perspective Media, Quebec Antiwar movement “Échec à la Guerre”, Coalition for Justice and Peace in Palestine and the ex-president and co-founder of the Canadian Muslim Forum. Derrick O'Keefe, Vancouver A Vancouver activist and writer, and co-chair of the Vancouver StopWar Coalition and the Canadian Peace Alliance. Denis Kosseim, Montréal, Coalition for Justice and Peace in Palestine A teacher, unionist, activist, husband and father of two. He teaches philosophy at André-Laurendeau Collège. He is on the International Action Committee of the FNEEQ-CSN (Fédération des enseignantes et des enseinants du Québec) and on the executive committee of SECAL (Syndicat de l'enseignement du Collège André-Laurendeau). He is also on the coordination committee of the Coalition for Justice and Peace in Palestine. Ehab Lotayef, Montréal, Canadian Arab Federation Montréal-based engineer, writer and activist. He's served on the coordination committee of the Coalition for Justice and Peace in Palestine, the board of the Canadian Arab Federation and Parole Arabe, among other groups. Since the Israeli invasion of Gaza in Dec. 2008 / Jan. 2009 he has visited Gaza twice (once accompanying a Canadian delegation of parliamentarians) and was a key organizer of the Gaza Freedom March in December 2009. Toni MacAfee, Halifax, CUPW Education and Organization Officer for Atlantic Region of Canadian Union of Postal Workers and a participant in the Gaza Freedom March in December 2009. Irene MacInnes is a peace activist based in Vancouver. She was a founder of the movement in Canada against sanctions on Iraq in the 1990s, and of the Canada-Cuba friendshipments which challenged the U.S. blockade. In 2003, she was awarded the City of Vancouver Peace Citizen of the Year. She is a co-founder and former co-chair of Vancouver's StopWar.ca Coalition and a former co-chair of the World Peace Forum held in 2006. Ali Mallah, Toronto, VP Ontario, Canadian Arab Federation Current Ontario VP of the Canadian Arab Federation, Alternate VP of Workers of Colour for the Canadian Labour Congress and board member of the Centre for Social Justice and Alternatives International. National Steering Committee member of Canadian Peace Alliance and Coordinating committee for Anti-War Coalition. Co-founder of Toronto Coalition Against the War, Trade Unionists Against the War, Muslim Unity Group and the Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid. Manon Massé, Québec solidaire party For 30 years an activist for social justice (housing, poverty, homophobia, women's and minority rights, peace), she is co-founder of the World March of Women. Since 2006, she has been a member of the Québec solidaire political party and has stood for election three times. Mahmoud Hmouz is a Palestinian refugee living in Vancouver. He is a Chemical Engineer and Biochemist, currently teaching math and sciences at an education centre. He is a former Palestine solidarity activist at the University of Ottawa and is a current member of the Canada Palestine Association of Vancouver. Kevin Neish, Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid – Victoria (Mavi Marmara Survivor) Dylan Penner, Ottawa Steering Committee member of Independent Jewish Voices Canada, as well as an organizer with the Ottawa Palestine Solidarity Network, the Ottawa Peace Assembly, and ACT for the Earth. Marion Pollak, Ottawa, CUPW Sandra Ruch, Toronto, Gaza Freedom March The Administrative Coordinator for Canadian Voice of Women for Peace. She is a member of Gaza Freedom March, Independent Jewish Voices and CodePink. Sid Shniad, Vancouver, Independent Jewish Voices A member of the Executive Committee of Independent Jewish Voices Canada Jase Tanner, Vancouver Independent film maker, activist. He visited Gaza in 2009, accompanying a Canadian delegation of Parliamentarians and was a participant in the Gaza Freedom March in December 2009. Ismail Zayid, Halifax, Canada Palestine Association A doctor, activist, author and educator. He is a founding member of Canadians, Arabs and Jews for a Just Peace, was recently a member of the Executive Committee of Canadian Arab Federation and board member of The National Council on Canada Arab Relations. Born and brought up in Beit Nuba, Palestine, a village systematically dynamited and bulldozed by the Israeli army, on the direct orders of Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff of the Israeli army at the time. Today at the site of these villages stands the infamy that is called "Canada Park", built by the Jewish National Fund [JNF], with Canadian tax-deductible dollars. This is a war crime, built with the complicity of our Canadian government. Scott Weinstein, Montréal, Independent Jewish Voices A member of the Executive Committee of Independent Jewish Voices Canada Edited July 4, 2011 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest American Woman Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) M.Dancer, on 04 July 2011 - 02:47 PM, said:Hamas is behind the flotillas, cite proof. Perhaps that's his own personal opinion, and to use your logic, your words, since it hasn't been proven that they aren't, then it's not misinformation to claim that they are. Edited July 4, 2011 by American Woman Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Hammas gained power by finding the one weakness in the state of Israel - good old fashioned cheapness. Palistinians are like trained dogs when it comes to Hammas...They follow who ever feeds them. This is a simple concept. To bad Isreal did not understand that the average Palistinian that embraces Hammas is NOT a terrorist - just another hungry dog. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Either way, it looks like the Sea Hitler flotilla is coming apart at the seams. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted July 4, 2011 Report Posted July 4, 2011 Either way, it looks like the Sea Hitler flotilla is coming apart at the seams. "Sea Hitler"???? Would'nt the real term be the Kriegsmarine? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Saipan Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 2) does not excuse creating a hoax video which seems to have been created by the israeli government Created by Arabs to discredit Israel. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) "Sea Hitler"???? Would'nt the real term be the Kriegsmarine? Heh...Jawohl! I didn't invent it, mind you...Sea Hitler brings up quite the image...perhaps a small moustache on the bow. Edited July 5, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 Either way, it looks like the Sea Hitler flotilla is coming apart at the seams. It just was not being done in good faith. As I state earlier you don't imply with a banner that you love Gaza - with out suggesting you hate Israel. ANY hate or panic driven decsions are not going to fair well or end well. From what I understand Greece has made an offer to act as a mediator and delivery agent..The protestors will not be satisfied unless they get their faces into some sort of fray - a confrontation. It's realistic to say that those attempting to cure a problem are not the sharpest tools in the shed - The flotilla gang wants glory - and the seeking of personal glory is a self serving persuit and not in good faith or the service of Palistine. At least this thing will bring about some discussion on the fact that Hamas has to be up rooted through benevolent action. As mentioned the average Palistinian is not an idealog...or by first choice a terrorist - It seems that Hamas has a certain smell of that of the crimminal element - perhaps this crimminality is shared by some Israeli leaders...an end has to come to the discomfort that Israel suffers and the more intense discomfort that is endured by the folks on the Gaza Strip. This is a solvable dilema. It will not reach a good and useful conclution until the glory seekers and adventurers on both sides are quelled. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 So in other words, at worst they're guilty of being human and/or just like every other nation's government. Unless you can point me to a nation whose government officials have always, in every instance, been "honest and intelligent?" How did a system of service evolve into an entity that lacks honesty and intelligence? One would imagine that in a democratic state we would some how have a system that would attract the honest and intelligent to do our bidding? Perhaps politics in general is a game that is played by the low brow wanna be elite? Quote
jbg Posted July 5, 2011 Report Posted July 5, 2011 So where is the EVIDENCE? A proof is a proof. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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