Keepitsimple Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Stephen Harper is enjoying an extended honeymoon with Canadian voters, leading his competitors by a wide margin and attracting numbers he hasn’t seen for nearly a decade, according to a new Globe and Mail/CTV national poll. The poll, released Monday and conducted by Nanos Research, shows that just a few weeks after the May 2 general election, the Prime Minister and his Conservatives have 41.8-per-cent support compared to 28 per cent for Mr. Layton and the NDP – a 14-point lead. “For a non-election cycle, this is among the highest levels of support registered since 2002 for the Conservatives,” observed Nik Nanos, president of Nanos Research. West of the Ottawa River, the Harper Conservatives remain strong – 44.2 per cent in Ontario and 43.3 per cent in B.C. For the NDP, however, Mr. Nanos sees these two provinces as potential trouble spots. In Ontario, the party has dropped from 24.3-per-cent support last month to 20.4 per cent in Ontario. And in B.C., support has gone from 33.5 per cent to 29.2 per cent. Mr. Nanos said this “points to the expected tension between the interests of the [NDP’s] Quebec caucus and the broader national interests of what people expect the NDP to do.” Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/stephen-harper-continues-to-outstrip-rival-party-leaders-in-popular-support/article2068555/ Edited June 21, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Topaz Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 Don't you think the Tories support will start to fall when more workers start to be laid off or cut through out the country espcially Ottawa? Let's see what the polls say a good year from now because the Tories have a lot on their agenda but most of it won't be felt till late this year. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Posted June 21, 2011 Don't you think the Tories support will start to fall when more workers start to be laid off or cut through out the country espcially Ottawa? Let's see what the polls say a good year from now because the Tories have a lot on their agenda but most of it won't be felt till late this year. Possibly....but more likely it would appear that Canadians seem to be happy with the fact that the government has made it clear that they WILL be reducing the size of government. The CBC especially has been warning of deep cuts and the elimination of jobs. This is quite helpful as it conditions the public for what is to come. CBC is always very helpful that way. Yet in spite of all this, popularity is on the rise. Quote Back to Basics
mentalfloss Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 Possibly....but more likely it would appear that Canadians seem to be happy with the fact that the government has made it clear that they WILL be reducing the size of government. This has always struck me as odd, as it's not the size of government that's the problem.. it's what that government does. Quote
GostHacked Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 This has always struck me as odd, as it's not the size of government that's the problem.. it's what that government does. I'd say it's a combination of both. What the government does may be more easily correctable than reducing the size of it. But when the government says they are reducing the size of it , we see more often than not, that it will actually increase the size of government. Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Not surprising. The ideologies of the NDP and the lefty posters here are pretty fringe in Canada. As much as these people like to disenfranchise the liberal voter and claim these votes as their own, it is much more likely that the remaining liberal voters are fiscal conservative/social liberals that will be moving to the conservative side of the equation. With NDP supporters calling for or supporting the argument that Canada needs an "arab spring", these moderate voters are even more inclined to be pushed towards the conservative side. The longer the NDP gets to voice its ridiculous arguments, the faster these centrists will be pushed to the conservatives. If the conservative party can demonstrate to Quebecers that they want to push for more wholesale provincial autonomy through Senate reform and decreased federal taxing and spending (coupled with NDP incompetence), they may even be able to regain some seats in Quebec. It's likely the economy will rebound within the next 4 years, and with the budget being balanced, Harper will be primed to possibly be the first PM since Mulroney to garner a true majority. A Harper dictatorship is appearing more and more likely. I, for one, welcome our new beady-eyed overlord. Edited June 21, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
ToadBrother Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 If the conservative party can demonstrate to Quebecers that they want to push for more wholesale provincial autonomy through Senate reform and decreased federal taxing and spending (coupled with NDP incompetence), they may even be able to regain some seats in Quebec. I can see Quebecers staying with the NDP or turning more to the renewed Bloc or some other Separatist heir. The one thing, under current conditions, that I cannot see, is them moving towards the Tories. Quote
CPCFTW Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) I can see Quebecers staying with the NDP or turning more to the renewed Bloc or some other Separatist heir. The one thing, under current conditions, that I cannot see, is them moving towards the Tories. They lost 4 seats in Quebec since 2008. Why couldn't they win them back and then some with the BQ dead and when the NDP proves to be incompetent? There even seem to be a backlash against the anti-establishment socialists ever since the Vancouver riots. People are starting to see that the anti-establishment crowd are just criminals looking for an excuse to riot and to take out their teenage angst on inanimate objects and armored riot police. This country could be painted blue in 4 years. Edited June 21, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
William Ashley Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 When you don't do anything maybe it helps polling. They are hardballing - people often don't like being targets and this government attacks and regardless of all the warm fuzzy words are known liars in terms of words and actions. Nothing is going to be done legislatively over the summer but the cuts are slated and not transparent. The fall is where things may actually start being more than administrative. Right now the government is acting within the government - and major things are still there people just don't really see it. Things like the senate reform with threats such as reform or abolishment is another example of waving a stick. The status quo is changing - people generally are good with less government and the Harper Government is all about consolidating power and reforming safegaurds to allow more use of absolute controls. Stay tuned is all I can say, not much is set to change due to the summer recess. It is just whether labour is held down pretty much or if parliament is called back to work over the slated summer recess - I don't think people expect labour gridlock like strikes that have happened in Europe? The legislative process is moving very slowly, but it is all about triming so far. That and keeping the war out of veiw. Things like Nato's war against Syria (currently blocked by Russia), Nato's supposed withdrawal from Libya (keeping the mediteranian "agitated" (more war and security spending required...) And a bunch of other issues not directly related to the middle easts complete turnover... (take a look at a map of the middle east and north africa... ask how many revolutions or take overs are ongoing right now? Japan is dampened due to the nuclear fall out, China is somewhat quiet in the news a rising dragon.. yada yada. None the less the "public eye" will be closed over the summer unless people (not the government) open it. Otherwise the hen pecking and trimming appears to continue so that slow change doesn't allow major opposition to form. That is the whole plan by the looks of it. People probably won't take a snapshot of the rights and successes they have today vs. 4 years from now. Bottom line here is few people are effected unless there is fallout.. no major crisis only small groups of upset people. That is the bottom line, it doesn't make for a better society, as people often don't recognize issues unless they effect themself, and well you can't blame them, its all who you know and your own conditions. Not everyone is an idealist or caring of the general conditions of society. Quote I was here.
Sandy MacNab Posted June 21, 2011 Report Posted June 21, 2011 Don't you think the Tories support will start to fall when more workers start to be laid off or cut through out the country espcially Ottawa? Let's see what the polls say a good year from now because the Tories have a lot on their agenda but most of it won't be felt till late this year. I understand staff will be reduced by attrition and the number is expected to be around 5%. Does that mean that our civil "servents" will have to work 5% harder or will some just be forced to work; period? Quote
Smallc Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 The one thing, under current conditions, that I cannot see, is them moving towards the Tories. I'm really not so sure about that. I mean, we're not talking everyone, but I think we can say that it isn't out of the question that a competent government could win 15 - 20 seats next time. Quote
Evening Star Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 I'm glad someone recognizes the socialist critique implicit in the Vancouver riots. Even the lumpenproletariat is being swept into the revolution. Quote
RNG Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 I'm glad someone recognizes the socialist critique implicit in the Vancouver riots. Even the lumpenproletariat is being swept into the revolution. As anti-socialist as I am, I find it hard to blame a bunch of asshole drunken youths on socialism. That is really a stretch, ES. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Evening Star Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 (edited) As anti-socialist as I am, I find it hard to blame a bunch of asshole drunken youths on socialism. That is really a stretch, ES. Ah, you may not have felt the rising force of the workers yet; in post #8, however, CPCFTW shows a perceptiveness that is rare among the ruling class... Edited June 22, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 A lot of Canadians will support the elimination of government jobs seeing public service employees are just "over paid no good for nothing lazy workers". The Liberals saw a healthy boost in support in this poll as well. Quote
PIK Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 Since the left like to say 60% voted against harper, well If I am correct 70% of canadina are not members of a union,if true then harper has alot of support to take these overpaid underworked whiners down. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
fellowtraveller Posted June 22, 2011 Report Posted June 22, 2011 The federal civil service unions can do a lot of damage to Harper from within, and will. PSAC will not go down quietly. Quote The government should do something.
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