Shwa Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Is that the same right that allows uneducated, unskilled employees of essential public services and crown corporations to shake tax payers down for salaries and benefits they'd never get in the private sector? There are no "uneducated, unskilled employees" in essential public services or crown corporations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 There are no "uneducated, unskilled employees" in essential public services or crown corporations. Yes, there are, some of the MP's are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 There are no "uneducated, unskilled employees" in essential public services or crown corporations. Let me rephrase. Instead of "uneducated, unskilled", I'll say, "high-school educated, and skilled at walking around and dropping pieces of paper in boxes." Actually, I think my first statement was bang-on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Let me rephrase. Instead of "uneducated, unskilled", I'll say, "high-school educated, and skilled at walking around and dropping pieces of paper in boxes." Actually, I think my first statement was bang-on. So really, instead of "public services and crown corporations" you are only referring to Canada Post. Because in the list of other Crown Corporations, I am certain that there are different skillsets required. For example, the Royal Canadian Mint. They might have someone walking around and dropping pieces of paper in boxes, but they might also have very technical and specialized skills required to mint money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 and those educated, technically skilled and valuable employees will be well paid because they'll go work elsewhere if the Crown Corporation does not pay them sufficiently. They don't rely on the farcical tool of collective bargaining to hold the taxpayers ransom for wages and benefits they'd never receive in the private sector. I have no problem paying, as an example, a CA or CFA or something at Canada Revenue the salaries/benefits they'd get in the private sector. I do, however, have a problem with overpaying a bunch of dummies with legs to walk around and drop our mail off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battletoads Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 I do, however, have a problem with overpaying a bunch of dummies with legs to walk around and drop our mail off. One has to wonder what you do for a living... and I'd hardly claim that someone making less than 50k a year is being grossly overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 It's monkey work. Anyone with two legs and the ability to read can be a Canada Post worker. Some of them need to be able to drive a truck of course, but that's not exactly deeply technical stuff. Why should they earn an above average, or even average, salary, when there are more skilled workers earning less? The benefits and pensions of these workers are also FAR beyond that of a private sector worker with similar skills and abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) and I'd hardly claim that someone making less than 50k a year is being grossly overpaid. You're so out of touch with reality. Yes almost 50k + a defined benefit pension is grossly overpaid for the type of work most post office workers do. That's significantly higher than the median income in Canada. Do you really think the mailmen and cashiers that run the post office possess any unique skills that have earned them an above average salary (even ignoring the pension plan)? These are jobs that should be paying min wage to $12/hr and the only benefits they should have is free postage. It's time for Canada to stop subsidizing the lucky freeloaders who managed to snag a public union job. These people have no right to demand taxpayer money to subsidize participating in a "strong middle class" while workers with similar skillsets and knowledge (or lack thereof) are working for 1/3 to 1/4 the total compensation at Wal-Mart and Tim Horton's. All this union whining reminds me of the people who rented lakeside mansions from TCHC for less than 50% of market rent for 30 years. When the city of Toronto decided to sell these million dollar homes to invest in more efficient community housing, these greedy freeloaders started whining that the government was stealing their homes. Edited June 24, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 These are jobs that should be paying min wage to $12/hr and the only benefits they should have is free postage. Says an anonymous moron on a messageboard. I am sure the postal workers would love to dictate what you make too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Says an anonymous moron on a messageboard. I am sure the postal workers would love to dictate what you make too. The market dictates what I make... unlike postal workers. The market dictates 10-12$/hr for cashiers. 20-35k salary for Fedex delivery drivers. I wonder if they get a DB pension with that... http://fedexcanadaeng.hire.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-80316&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any Package handler: "Competitive wages with scheduled pay increases ($12.65/hr- $13.65/hr)" http://fedexcanadaeng.hire.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-79150&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any Evil Oppressive Management: 35-50k (likely with no pension.. certainly not DB) http://fedexcanadaeng.hire.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-80355&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any Edited June 25, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 These are jobs that should be paying min wage to $12/hr and the only benefits they should have is free postage. I'd throw in free braces for those aching tendons from the repetitive strain of sorting mail, if you know that I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 The market dictates what I make... unlike postal workers. Translation: I am a special flower who deserves every penny I make even though no one else does. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNG Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Translation: I am a special flower who deserves every penny I make even though no one else does. Pathetic. He makes a rational statement and you blather on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 He makes a rational statement and you blather on? Even if I was blathering his statement is not rational. There is no fantasy land in which the market did not already have a hand in determining what postal workers make, and any suggestion to the contrary is just ignorant of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Even if I was blathering his statement is not rational. There is no fantasy land in which the market did not already have a hand in determining what postal workers make, and any suggestion to the contrary is just ignorant of reality. I posted links of what the market dictates postal workers should make. Keep blathering. Edited June 25, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Translation: I am a special flower who deserves every penny I make even though no one else does. Pathetic. Translation: I'm going to keep resorting to insults because I can't form a coherent, rational argument and I think I'm smarter than all the "morons" who haven't taken 1st year sociology and philosophy undergrad courses like me. Typical. Edited June 25, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Maybe you should stop worrying about your philosophical and sociological shortcomings and start thinking about your shoddy understanding of economics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 and those educated, technically skilled and valuable employees will be well paid because they'll go work elsewhere if the Crown Corporation does not pay them sufficiently. They don't rely on the farcical tool of collective bargaining to hold the taxpayers ransom for wages and benefits they'd never receive in the private sector. I have no problem paying, as an example, a CA or CFA or something at Canada Revenue the salaries/benefits they'd get in the private sector. I do, however, have a problem with overpaying a bunch of dummies with legs to walk around and drop our mail off. Collective bargaining is "farcical"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 The market dictates what I make... unlike postal workers. The market dictates 10-12$/hr for cashiers. 20-35k salary for Fedex delivery drivers. I wonder if they get a DB pension with that... http://fedexcanadaeng.hire.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-80316&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any Package handler: "Competitive wages with scheduled pay increases ($12.65/hr- $13.65/hr)" http://fedexcanadaeng.hire.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-79150&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any Evil Oppressive Management: 35-50k (likely with no pension.. certainly not DB) http://fedexcanadaeng.hire.com/viewjob.html?optlink-view=view-80355&ERFormID=newjoblist&ERFormCode=any Sucks to be a stupid free marketeer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Maybe you should stop worrying about your philosophical and sociological shortcomings and start thinking about your shoddy understanding of economics. Maybe you should save this comment for a thread about economics where anyone is even talking about economics. Once you find that thread, you can go ahead and tell me how Professor Layton told you that paying paperboys 50k/yr with a DB pension is good economics because it creates a "strong middle-class" (by creating a lower class out of better educated private sector workers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Sucks to be a stupid free marketeer... Sucks to not win the union lottery of getting to piggyback on the private sector's productivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Maybe you should save this comment for a thread about economics where anyone is even talking about economics.Thank you for supporting my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 (edited) Thank you for supporting my point. Hahaha all the mini Jacks think they're experts on economics now that they've listened to a few Layton quips. How cute. Feel free to offer your educational background in economics Professor Union. Edited June 25, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battletoads Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 You're so out of touch with reality. Yes almost 50k + a defined benefit pension is grossly overpaid for the type of work most post office workers do. That's significantly higher than the median income in Canada. Do you really think the mailmen and cashiers that run the post office possess any unique skills that have earned them an above average salary (even ignoring the pension plan)? Median income in Canada is 58K, good to see you can't even research basic facts. These are jobs that should be paying min wage to $12/hr and the only benefits they should have is free postage. Who the fuck is going to be a postie for 20K a year? Yeah let me head on out into some minus 40 weather to scrape in 12 bucks an hour. It's time for Canada to stop subsidizing the lucky freeloaders who managed to snag a public union job. These people have no right to demand taxpayer money to subsidize participating in a "strong middle class" while workers with similar skillsets and knowledge (or lack thereof) are working for 1/3 to 1/4 the total compensation at Wal-Mart and Tim Horton's. The fact that you would compare a letter carriers job to that of a cashier shows how laughably stupid your argument is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted June 26, 2011 Report Share Posted June 26, 2011 Median income in Canada is 58K, good to see you can't even research basic facts. Median income? I highly doubt it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_household_income Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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