Coulter & Netanyahu Can't Speak in Canada; What About an Arab

[bush_cheney2004]

Ann Coulter comes to Canada...a fun thread!

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16084&view=findpost&p=521845

[Remiel]

How is a protest by a mob of students any more an instance of censorship that being escorted out by a burly security guard for not behaving exactly as you are "supposed to" ?

[DogOnPorch]

How is a protest by a mob of students any more an instance of censorship that being escorted out by a burly security guard for not behaving exactly as you are "supposed to" ?

Errr...define "supposed to".

[Remiel]

Errr...define "supposed to".

Not holding up protest signs, not heckling, not refusing to refrain from doing anything that is not according to the plan of the organizers.

[DogOnPorch]

Not holding up protest signs, not heckling, not refusing to refrain from doing anything that is not according to the plan of the organizers.

Is a lecture hall the appropriate place to riot/protest/shout down a speaker? Personally, if I go to a lecture of any stripe, the last thing I want is some idiot yelling in my ear beside me. There is such a thing as letters to the editor (and this forum for example) to make one's opposite views known. Heck, if the 'protesters' are so upset...(they can) rent a hall and hold their own event.

Edited June 14, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[g_bambino]

How is a protest by a mob of students any more an instance of censorship that being escorted out by a burly security guard for not behaving exactly as you are "supposed to" ?

Here's a better question: How is a mob shouting so incessantly and loudly that an individual's speech can't be heard an example of the mob respecting that individual's right to free speech?

I imagine your tolerance of tyranny of the majority stops when you find yourself in the minority.

[c/e]

Edited June 14, 2011 by g_bambino

[Remiel]

Is a lecture hall the appropriate place to riot/protest/shout down a speaker? Personally, if I go to a lecture of any stripe, the last thing I want is some idiot yelling in my ear beside me. There is such a thing as letters to the editor (and this forum for example) to make one's opposite views known. Heck, if the 'protesters' are so upset...(they can) rent a hall and hold their own event.

I never said riot or shout down the speaker. But you have brought up an important question: since Ann Coulter can, in turn, right a letter to the editor or a news column and have it published in Canada, was her right to freedom of speech really infringed on?

Here's a better question: How is a mob shouting so incessantly and loudly that an individual's speech can't be heard an example of the mob respecting that individual's right to free speech?

I imagine your tolerance of tyranny of the majority stops when you find yourself in the minority.

[c/e]

I was not suggesting that the forms of protest that have people removed by security were necessarily shouting down the speaker, though I suppose I can see how it was interpreted that way.

[RNG]

Ayup. And rednecked Calgary, not only elects a muslem mayor, but has Coulter give a talk at the University of Calgary. How's the old stereotypes doing out there in Canadaland?

[Smallc]

Canadaland?

WTF are you talking about? Last I checked, Calgary was a Canadian city. It's surrounded by rednecks, not populated by them.

[RNG]

WTF are you talking about? Last I checked, Calgary was a Canadian city. It's surrounded by rednecks, not populated by them.

You know, central Canada, the only thing that counts.

[DogOnPorch]

I never said riot or shout down the speaker. But you have brought up an important question: since Ann Coulter can, in turn, right a letter to the editor or a news column and have it published in Canada, was her right to freedom of speech really infringed on?

But that was certainly the tactic used in at several speaking engagements...shouting down a speaker. Playing loosey goosey with studet union hall rentals. Making security an issue, etc.

Re: raising a question.

Yes it was, I suppose. Especially in light that a certain university threatened her about appearing re: violation of 'hate speech laws'. Judge, jury, executioner...who knew a university provost had that kind of power? As Penn & Teller so lovingly put it in regards to university honchos: ...and then there's THIS a$$hole.

Edited June 14, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[Smallc]

You know, central Canada, the only thing that counts.

Yeah, because everyone in Canada is just as narrow and selfish as you are.

[g_bambino]

I was not suggesting that the forms of protest that have people removed by security were necessarily shouting down the speaker, though I suppose I can see how it was interpreted that way.

Oh, I see. Your post followed on mine about a loud mob at UofO, so I assumed you were referring to that group in particular. I have a memory of video footage of that incident and, as much as I despise Anne Coulter, I thought it was a shameful display. It's not a lone incident, either.

Reading it again, my response to yours reads a little more snarky than I intended. I apologise.

[RNG]

Yeah, because everyone in Canada is just as narrow and selfish as you are.

And how was that narrow and selfish?

[Smallc]

And how was that narrow and selfish?

You despise the rest of Canada and think of only Alberta, or, alternatively, your definition of the West as important.

[jbg]

And how was that narrow and selfish?

You despise the rest of Canada and think of only Alberta, or, alternatively, your definition of the West as important.

What does this exchange have to do with free speech or Ishmael Khaldi.

[Smallc]

What does this exchange have to do with free speech or Ishmael Khaldi.

Nothing. I hate on topic discussion. It's so....on topic.

[KeyStone]

I can roughly understand the fact that university students' ears are so sensitive that about a year ago Ann Coulter couldn't speak at Carlton University. I can understand that Netanyahu's proposed speech at Concordia needed to be stopped by violence and threats of violence.

A Bedouin Arab Israel Muslim by the name of Ishmael Khaldi, the author of A Shepherd's Journey apparently ran into his share of difficulties attempting to speak at Langara College (orignal post had OCR-generated typo) in Vancouver. You see, the problem is that Khaldi doesn't throw rocks, doesn't lie down in front of tanks and doesn't commission family members to blow themselves up in order to create carnage. Instead, e struggled diligently to move beyond his Bedouin village roots to go to an advanced high school, travel to New York City with almost no money and understanding little English, to become a diplomat for Israel. Excerpt from book (obviously not linkable) below:

Quite galling to call a diplomat for a democracy the equivalent of Goebbels.

What a selective memory you have.

No mention of George Galloway who was denied by the GOVERNMENT.

But the speakers who were shouted down by the people are etched in your memory.

[g_bambino]

No mention of George Galloway who was denied by the GOVERNMENT.

Every year, thousands of people are denied entry into the country by the Crown. Why is Galloway's rejection so particularly special?

[jbg]

What a selective memory you have.

No mention of George Galloway who was denied by the GOVERNMENT.

What about the right of the Government to control its borders? And just why was he denied entry?

But the speakers who were shouted down by the people are etched in your memory.

What about "the people" who want to hear what the shouted-down speaker has to say?

[DogOnPorch]

What a selective memory you have.

No mention of George Galloway who was denied by the GOVERNMENT.

But the speakers who were shouted down by the people are etched in your memory.

Here's why he's not welcome.

Or are you a terrorist supporter? Silly question...