Jack Weber Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 That's because he's just sloganeering. Sloganeering is all he has... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Sloganeering is all he has... Most of the trolls I find on internet boards are conservative trolls. I wonder what social issue this is a result of? Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
CPCFTW Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 We are the lowest in the G7....not sure about the G8. Since the corporate tax cuts we've also been one of the fastest growing countries in the g7. Too bad there's more than 7 countries in the world and the developing countries are tearing the g7 a new anus. Quote
Smallc Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Since the corporate tax cuts we've also been one of the fastest growing countries in the g7. Since the tax cuts in the 90s, you mean, not the recent ones. The things that has propelled Canadian growth lately is the price of commodities. As for the third world countries, well, they were bound to do better at some point. Quote
TimG Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Most of the trolls I find on internet boards are conservative trolls.I have noticed that left wing posters invariably resort to insults when their arguments are refuted. I am sure there is a psychological term for this. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 If someone's family is wealthier or better connected than another, then the family has earned it. Especially the Royal Family. That thing they did in 1066 is STILL paying off ! Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 What gives you the right to freeload off of the hard work of someone else's parents? How far back do you want to go ? At some point, I'm pretty sure that the people of Canada helped that person set up their wealth, and that was to help 'the economy' which includes taxes. Pay your debts. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ninjandrew Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Edmonton. Cool! It's good to have a fellow Edmontonian. Though I'm sorry I asked, it happened to kick off a lot of moronic comments... Especially the Royal Family. That thing they did in 1066 is STILL paying off ! Quote "Everything in moderation, including moderation." -- Socrates
ninjandrew Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 That's fine, but that doesn't mean there isn't a need for things like Employment Insurance in places where work is seasonal or harder to come by. Agreed, however since they raised the necessary hours worked in order to qualify for EI it's pretty tough to get if you've been working seasonal. I worked a 5 month seasonal job full time and I was short hours by about two weeks. I was pretty unhappy about that considering when you first get into forestry one often has to do contract work for awhile, and the industry is screwed right now... I think I'm a pretty good example of somebody that could have legitimately used EI between contracts, but it's pretty tough to make the cut. Quote "Everything in moderation, including moderation." -- Socrates
KeyStone Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Since the tax cuts in the 90s, you mean, not the recent ones. The things that has propelled Canadian growth lately is the price of commodities. As for the third world countries, well, they were bound to do better at some point. That's classic Con thinking. If anything good ever happens to the economy, it MUST be because of the tax cuts that happened six years ago. Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 That's classic Con thinking. If anything good ever happens to the economy, it MUST be because of the tax cuts that happened six years ago. Canadian politics do not as a rule shape world events. Yet the opposite is not true either. This is a unique land of diverse and respected opinions. Should this nation of citizens ever seriously attempt to venture into international relations with a fundamental purpose we would also be taking the necessary steps in our cultural evolution. Partisan affiliations not withstanding, Canadians are desirous of a big tent concept, grass roots revolution. The boomer generation is retiring and it wants to do some social engineering on the way out the door. The time is right for change, and most of us know it. Quote
Molly Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 The creation of more jobs does nothing to benefit those who can't perform one. Reliance on children and grandchildren for ones support presupposes fertility/a social connection to a family unit. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 [quote name='ninjandrew' date='16 May 2011 - 12:57 AM' timestamp='1305532651' post='672266' I think I'm a pretty good example of somebody that could have legitimately used EI between contracts, but it's pretty tough to make the cut. You'd have my support in being eligible to get it. I wonder why 5 months wasn't enough, was it the hours? I've heard of temporary contract teachers (filling maternity, long term absences) etc being able to claim xmas and summer which would put them in intervals of about 5 months. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Partisan affiliations not withstanding, Canadians are desirous of a big tent concept, grass roots revolution. The boomer generation is retiring and it wants to do some social engineering on the way out the door. The time is right for change, and most of us know it. I find it ironic that baby boomers want tax cuts but, also are concerned about their health care. They won't be able to afford private health care as an option because they'll need a health plan that will be ridiculously expensive at their age. Everyone wants the services but, no one wants to pay for them. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Jerry J. Fortin Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 I find it ironic that baby boomers want tax cuts but, also are concerned about their health care. They won't be able to afford private health care as an option because they'll need a health plan that will be ridiculously expensive at their age. Everyone wants the services but, no one wants to pay for them. The boomers have paid all the taxes, and they have drawn the services and programs that go with it. Now we are old and need healthcare. Guess who the majority of citizens are? Guess what will happen next unless we change the way we do things..... Quote
Saipan Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Most of the trolls I find on internet boards are conservative trolls. Funny. I find only liberal trolls Quote
Saipan Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Problem with taxes is that liberals often call them just "user fees" and other such names. But every increas in licences (and there seems to be about a million of them now) costs are TAXES. Soon we'll have to carry also a licence licence. Quote
Bonam Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 The creation of more jobs does nothing to benefit those who can't perform one. Reliance on children and grandchildren for ones support presupposes fertility/a social connection to a family unit. And what is wrong with presupposing a connection to one's family unit? Unless one's family are all deceased, one should have such a connection. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 ...one should have such a connection. Should as in "it's assumed that you have one in order to support you, if you can't support yourself" ? If not, then what ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
WIP Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Actually in Libertarian Somalia it turns out that good old fassioned pirates ended up being the marauding gang of consequence. Arrrrrrgh! I've heard it said before that if these libertarians want somewhere where they don't have to pay taxes or worry about government interference, Somalia is their place to go! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 So you're saying taxes should be used for the protection and defense of property? For example to buy jet fighters and build prisons to house criminals? Agreed. And like most bonehead conservatives, you don't believe that taxes should be used in efforts to avoid war or find cheaper and better longterm solutions than building prisons. It is only theft when taxes used to redistribute income for social causes such as to provide daycare for other people's kids or increased pensions for other people's grandparents, or as EI and welfare payments to people who choose not to work. If the majority favour a social safety net, the minority who don't, are SOL and can just suck it up! The majority don't agree to the Layton social contract. And the majority didn't elect Harper either! He only got 40% of the 60% of voters who cast ballots. If that's not an argument for voting reform I don't know what is. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Why should the majority be able to vote to steal from the minority? Would you say it is theft if a party was elected campaigning on the promise to seize 50% of the assets from anyone that had over 1 million in assets, and to grant those assets to the state to be redistributed to people with no assets? I guess not if that party had been elected by a majority? But, based on your previous argument, it's not "stealing" if the taxes are used to buy jet fighters or build prisons! As for your complaints about progressive taxation, the fact is that Canada is following along the exact same path now that the U.S. has been on since REaganomics, and the results have been the same: an increase in income stratification with greater gaps in income. All of the whiners against the concept of progressive taxation seem to miss the point that it is about the only tool in our society to keep us from becoming a banana republic with a mass of poor people and all the wealth controlled by a tiny minority. Judging from the negative effects on people and society of inequality, I'll go with whatever works to promote greater equality: The Equality Trust: The evidence in detail Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
CPCFTW Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Who cares about income gaps. Should people care if millionaires are billionaires if the average canadian is making 70k instead of 40k? Get that communist shit out of here. Quit passing off your jealousy as "compassion". Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 Who cares about income gaps. Should people care if millionaires are billionaires if the average canadian is making 70k instead of 40k? Get that communist shit out of here. Quit passing off your jealousy as "compassion". That would be fine, but that's not what is happening. The economic benefits of globalization are going to the top earners and are not being spread to the lower/middle classes in North America by most accounts. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Jack Weber Posted May 16, 2011 Report Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) That would be fine, but that's not what is happening. The economic benefits of globalization are going to the top earners and are not being spread to the lower/middle classes in North America by most accounts. Uh oh.. You may have just said that global Neo-Liberalism is really just a wealth redistribution excercise... Sssshhh...They don't ant anyone to know about that... I also note CPCFTW threw out the old "Communist" reference.... Edited May 16, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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