NDP Constitution - An exercise in Marxism

[Mr.Canada]

This document is a document that severely limits rights and freedoms of business and frankly strives to create more government owned and controlled entities.

Peggy Nash, national President of the NDP has said she wants the Canadian government to regain control of Air Canada.

A modern regulatory system would prevent the dramatic swings in the airline sector by imposing responsible limits on the overall capacity growth of carriers. It would stop the destructive attacks of one company on another through excess capacity. It would also mean our federal government taking an equity stake in Air Canada Source

Some excerpts from the NDP constitution

That the production and distribution of goods and services shall be directed to meeting the social and individual needs of people within a sustainable environment and economy and not to the making of profit

To modify and control the operations of the monopolistic productive and distributive organizations through economic and social planning. Towards these ends and where necessary, the extension of the principle of social ownership….

This means that the NDP believes that the government should control the market. What companies can produce and who the company can hire to produce said items. Taking control out of the hands of the investors including small and medium business owners and putting it into the hands of government. This also means bigger government owning more and more business in Canada. This is straight out of Communism.

The New Democratic Party is proud to be associated with the democratic socialist parties of the world and to share the struggle for peace, international co-operation and the abolition of poverty.Source

This means the NDP is proud to call Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro friends. Along with every other Socialist-Communist regimes around the world. Regimes in such places as China, Laos, Vietnam and North Korea. This is against democracy and against freedom.

It is Jack Layton and his NDP who have a hidden agenda. Layton needs to be taken to task on this document and asked why he is hiding it from Canadians. What is afraid of? Why is it only for internal party members? What is Layton hiding from Canada? What is his real agenda once in power?

[scouterjim]

The CCF (later called NDP) was formed in the 1920's when the less radical socialists left the Communist party out of fear of arrest by the RCMP for being subversives.

[Michael Hardner]

So you're ok with a giant airline like Air Canada running at a loss to push Porter out of business ? How about Porter and Air Canada conspiring to not compete for certain locations ?

How much conspiring will you allow private businesses to do to quell your concerns about government control ?

[RNG]

So give me an example of a sucessful socialistic country. Venezuela, Cuba, the former Soviet Union. Economically, China is about as socialistic as the states. The Scandinavian countries are often held up as examples but does the government own Volvo - Saab - Ikea - and on and on.

Government ownership of business is a major fail.

[Evening Star]

Statoil is the classic example of a successful state-run enterprise, right?

[RNG]

Statoil is the classic example of a successful state-run enterprise, right?

A total monopoly. I'm not sure how efficient they are. I do know that the oil industries in Mexico, Venezuela and Russia are a joke. I've worked in all those places. Given the oil reserves Norway has, it would take a Trumpesque type of idiot to blow that.

[ninjandrew]

The CCF (later called NDP) was formed in the 1920's when the less radical socialists left the Communist party out of fear of arrest by the RCMP for being subversives.

Was Jack Layton one of them??

CPC is considered centre-right to right, but for somebody to call anyone that supports them a fascist would be retarded, and any of their supporters would agree. The NDP is considered centre-left to left, but nobody seems to think theres anything wrong with calling their supporters communists, or the party itself a communist party. Give your heads a shake.

Scandinavian parties that are elected typically alternate from left to right, just like Canada (almost).

When do you suppose Canada will become a Communist state? You poor souls must absolutely terrified.

[Scotty]

Was Jack Layton one of them??

CPC is considered centre-right to right, but for somebody to call anyone that supports them a fascist would be retarded, and any of their supporters would agree. The NDP is considered centre-left to left, but nobody seems to think theres anything wrong with calling their supporters communists, or the party itself a communist party. Give your heads a shake.

If you are a fascist or have a history of being a fascist you would not be welcome in the Tory party. But the NDP has never had any particular inclination to boot out communists or those with communist beliefs. In fact, the guy they ran in Gatineau who defeated Lawrence Cannon previously ran under the Communist banner. And no one in the NDP finds that to be an issue.

[Mr.Canada]

When do you suppose Canada will become a Communist state? You poor souls must absolutely terrified.

The CPC and the LPC both adhere to their parties respective constitutions are we to believe that the NDP will abandon theirs if given the power to govern Canada?

This is basically a list of a parties core beliefs. The last copy that was leaked was ratified in 2003 when Jack Layton was leader.

The other parties make their constitutions available to the public to read at their leisure. Why does the NDP hide theirs from public scrutiny? What are they trying to hide?

[punked]

So give me an example of a sucessful socialistic country. Venezuela, Cuba, the former Soviet Union. Economically, China is about as socialistic as the states. The Scandinavian countries are often held up as examples but does the government own Volvo - Saab - Ikea - and on and on.

Government ownership of business is a major fail.

Here is a great example of a MIXED MARKET system the NDP preaches. THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT!

[RNG]

Here is a great example of a MIXED MARKET system the NDP preaches. THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT!

Owning and running Air Canada?

[punked]

The CPC and the LPC both adhere to their parties respective constitutions are we to believe that the NDP will abandon theirs if given the power to govern Canada?

This is basically a list of a parties core beliefs. The last copy that was leaked was ratified in 2003 when Jack Layton was leader.

The other parties make their constitutions available to the public to read at their leisure. Why does the NDP hide theirs from public scrutiny? What are they trying to hide?

No they don't there was an article in the Hill times today which talked about how the Liberal party plans to break their constitution so they don't have to pick a leader right away. I call you a Liar.

[scouterjim]

Was Jack Layton one of them??

CPC is considered centre-right to right, but for somebody to call anyone that supports them a fascist would be retarded, and any of their supporters would agree. The NDP is considered centre-left to left, but nobody seems to think theres anything wrong with calling their supporters communists, or the party itself a communist party. Give your heads a shake.

Scandinavian parties that are elected typically alternate from left to right, just like Canada (almost).

When do you suppose Canada will become a Communist state? You poor souls must absolutely terrified.

Did you perhaps note that I said "in the 1920's". The NDP has mellowed since the days of the Regina Manifesto.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Mr.C, do you support the Conservative legislation that would prevent any consumer from making a backup of digital media they own?

If they try to back up content they own the rights to, they could face a fine of $5000.

Edited May 10, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist

[MiddleClassCentrist]

When do you suppose Canada will become a Communist state? You poor souls must absolutely terrified.

Didn't you hear? An ex-communist party member was elected as an NDP MP in the orange wave!

*cue doomsday music*

Edited May 10, 2011 by MiddleClassCentrist

[punked]

Owning and running Air Canada?

Nope however though out the years Crown Corporations have done quite well for themselves, some were bought off like Potash, and PetroCan, while others are still going like SGI. Crazy people who think the government should keep their hands off the markets are as bad as the socialists. We need a Mix Market regulated system. JUST LIKE CANADA HAS.

[ninjandrew]

Did you perhaps note that I said "in the 1920's". The NDP has mellowed since the days of the Regina Manifesto.

I did, to make a point that things change. But if you acknowledged that theyve mellowed that point is moot.

[Bryan]

CPC is considered centre-right to right, but for somebody to call anyone that supports them a fascist would be retarded, and any of their supporters would agree. The NDP is considered centre-left to left, but nobody seems to think theres anything wrong with calling their supporters communists, or the party itself a communist party.

There is a huge difference. CPC does not enshrine fascism in their constitution, the NDP does enshrine socialism in theirs. CPC does not have a Fascist Caucus, the NDP does have a Socialist Caucus. CPC does not have MPs who are former Nazis, NDP does have Communist Party members as MPs.

Calling the CPC fascist is stupid, because it's false. Calling the NDP socialist is perfectly legitimate, because it's a fact that they have promoted themselves.

[ninjandrew]

There is a huge difference. CPC does not enshrine fascism in their constitution, the NDP does enshrine socialism in theirs. CPC does not have a Fascist Caucus, the NDP does have a Socialist Caucus. CPC does not have MPs who are former Nazis, NDP does have Communist Party members as MPs.

Calling the CPC fascist is stupid, because it's false. Calling the NDP socialist is perfectly legitimate, because it's a fact that they have promoted themselves.

I think all of that would be very hard to prove, for both parties. As for the ex Communist Party members: if I was a Communist and joined a non-communist party, what is stopping me from changing my point of view?

I know a guy who was all for Anarchy, but a few years later he CHANGED his political point of view, he's much more central now.

[Guest Derek L]

No they don't there was an article in the Hill times today which talked about how the Liberal party plans to break their constitution so they don't have to pick a leader right away. I call you a Liar.

The Liberal party aside, why doesn't the NDP have their Constitution posted for the public? Perhaps if they did, they might garner more support......or lose support I suppose. So what does the NDP have hidden in their Constitution?

[punked]

There is a huge difference. CPC does not enshrine fascism in their constitution, the NDP does enshrine socialism in theirs. CPC does not have a Fascist Caucus, the NDP does have a Socialist Caucus. CPC does not have MPs who are former Nazis, NDP does have Communist Party members as MPs.

Calling the CPC fascist is stupid, because it's false. Calling the NDP socialist is perfectly legitimate, because it's a fact that they have promoted themselves.

Sorry socialism is not enshrined in the NDP constitution the very reason the Constitution was changed in the 50s was to get rid of most socialist parts.

[Guest Derek L]

Sorry socialism is not enshrined in the NDP constitution the very reason the Constitution was changed in the 50s was to get rid of most socialist parts.

So, whats in the modern NDP Constitution? Where can I read it? Would not the NDP quite the rumours about being socialist if they provided to their detractors?

[punked]

So, whats in the modern NDP Constitution? Where can I read it? Would not the NDP quite the rumours about being socialist if they provided to their detractors?

Again you can go read plenty of party history which shows how they have treated both socialist and communists in the party. Only someone who has blinders on would think the NDP is socialist after they kicked out thousands of members for their socialist beliefs.

[RNG]

Again you can go read plenty of party history which shows how they have treated both socialist and communists in the party. Only someone who has blinders on would think the NDP is socialist after they kicked out thousands of members for their socialist beliefs.

And where's the constitution. Keep dodging, but it won't work.

[punked]

And where's the constitution. Keep dodging, but it won't work.

I don't know. I do know we had a vote lined up last convention to get rid of the preamble and we ran out of time. We will have another one this summer.