CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Was he a councillor for that area? If yes, shouldn't he know the pressing issues/problems in his area? Obviously slave trade is a problem, especially with the Triad. Which is worse for a councillor? Getting seen in that bawdy establishment....or being ignorant about the issues/problems in his community? His riding didn't include that area. Simply googling for the results of the 1994 election results for Metro Council will show it. But wait, it will also show that the member of Metro Council for that area was... Olivia Chow. How reckless of her not to go through police reports of raids before her husband went for a massage. Edited April 30, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
scribblet Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 video here http://bcblue.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/layton-massage-parlour-story-and-the-medias-coverage/ Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Evening Star Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Somebody seeking (and keeping) a political office while crusiding against acts that he engages himself is an hypocrit. And that I would have a major problem with (more than the act itself) if that was the case. Since it's not what happens, the only thing I find interesting in the whole story is the lenght somee people will go to in order to make it something it is not. I guess part of my feeling about the whole thing is that, even if all the rumours and suspicions are right and Layton was being a hypocrite, this happened 15 years ago. It just doesn't seem to mean much in the context of his current career. Quote
scribblet Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Maybe not, but people invariable bring up old speeches of Harper from 15 years ago - they think they are relevant. we want the naked truth here Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
noahbody Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Yep. He was trying to conceal his identity, so he used his legal name. Maybe his closest friends call him "John" or maybe he just likes puns. Clearly, the guy is not suited for political office. I agree, but that's because his platform would hurt the economy. What Clinton did in the oral office didn't bother me either. That was nothing compared to Bush... he screwed the whole world. Quote
Handsome Rob Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 we want the naked truth here Doesn't matter. Whatever damage was/is/may be done, is done, and little will change that. The general public doesn't endlessly discuss these things on message boards to find the holy grail of truth. I suspect it will be a non-issue, this isn't the US of A, most of the public just doesn't care, more than likely rightfully so. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Maybe not, but people invariable bring up old speeches of Harper from 15 years ago - they think they are relevant. we want the naked truth here The difference is... Harper POLITICAL COMMENTS from 15 years ago are indicative of his political viewpoints at the time, and many people believe (not without reasons, in some cases), that he still holds some of those views. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Doesn't matter. Whatever damage was/is/may be done, is done, and little will change that. The general public doesn't endlessly discuss these things on message boards to find the holy grail of truth. I suspect it will be a non-issue, this isn't the US of A, most of the public just doesn't care, more than likely rightfully so. Ummm. I'd say most of the public cares as much as most of the public in the US of A cares about such issues. Quote
noahbody Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Maybe that's where Jack first heard, "And I won't stop until the job's done." Quote
wyly Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Maybe his closest friends call him "John" or maybe he just likes puns. the name my friends know me by is not the same as what I give for business purposes or even the name I use for my signature... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Guest American Woman Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Maybe not, but people invariable bring up old speeches of Harper from 15 years ago - they think they are relevant. we want the naked truth here For someone who stated that his being naked isn't the issue, you sure seem obsessed with it. Edited April 30, 2011 by American Woman Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Harper missing a photo - op because he was in the washroom is front page news, yet Layton getting a massage at a seedy parlor raided by police is not news. The media in Canada is complete garbage. Edited April 30, 2011 by lukin Quote
Handsome Rob Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Ummm. I'd say most of the public cares as much as most of the public in the US of A cares about such issues. Can you provide info large Canadian scandals involving politicians and their personal lives, not directly connected to governing, that have cost them careers/support? The only thing that comes to mind is Gordon Campbell, DUI/Lara Dauphinee - Free pass. I've not often heard of somebody's downfall over something that did not involve money. I would offer my opinion that Bill Clinton would not have been impeached by the lower house were he somehow transmorgrified into Canada. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Harper missing a photo - op because he was in the washroom is front page news Must have missed it. Edited April 30, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Can you provide info large Canadian scandals involving politicians and their personal lives, not directly connected to governing, that have cost them careers/support?Can you provide info large American scandals involving politicians and her personal lives, not directly related to governing, have cost them careers/support?The only thing that comes to mind is Gordon Campbell, DUI/Lara Dauphinee - Free pass. I've not often heard of somebody's downfall over something that did not involve money. Again, waiting for someone's downfall at the public's doing over a sex scandal, especially when there was no scandal other than in some people's minds/speculations, which is the situation you have here. I would offer my opinion that Bill Clinton would not have been impeached by the lower house were he somehow transmorgrified into Canada. And I would counter with the fact that Clinton didn't lose the presidency or support. The majority of the American public didn't think he should be impeached, never mind found guilty. Which he was not. This thing with Layton is obviously as big an issue as it would be in the United States, and the public at large cares as much about it as the public at large in the US of A would care about the same situation here. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 The onus is on people who are in politics to be more cautious! That, or be prepared to face whatever consequence(s) arise from reckless or ignorant decisions. Ah yes. Guilty until proven innocent. Right? Quote
scribblet Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Doesn't matter. Whatever damage was/is/may be done, is done, and little will change that. The general public doesn't endlessly discuss these things on message boards to find the holy grail of truth. I suspect it will be a non-issue, this isn't the US of A, most of the public just doesn't care, more than likely rightfully so. Actually, I agree, it's not going to change the vote, and (I'm going to say) most people don't know much about this stuff or get into discussions like this. I was in the campaign office a while ago (to give a little donation and passed out some information about sending an email to TV providers about carrying SunTV - not one of about 5 people in there had ever heard of it. It's a small town mind you.. had the relatives over for Easter dinner, some are from Toronto, not one out of 8 of them had heard of it either... However, I think this issue also speaks to the lack of due diligence on the part of our media and not give Layton et al a free ride anymore. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Harper missing a photo - op because he was in the washroom is front page news, yet Layton getting a massage at a seedy parlor raided by police is not news. The media in Canada is complete garbage. Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Harper missing a photo - op because he was in the washroom is front page news, yet Layton getting a massage at a seedy parlor raided by police is not news. The media in Canada is complete garbage. Now you're just going to repeatedly cut-and-paste your own remarks? Or has this been your style all along? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
RNG Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Can you provide info large American scandals involving politicians and her personal lives, not directly related to governing, have cost them careers/support? Ensign? That presidential candidate who's wife had cancer and he was "romancing" one of his staff? (Damn, I see his face but can't catch the name.) - Got it, Edwards. Not to mention all the closet gays that ended up resigning. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Now you're just going to repeatedly cut-and-paste your own remarks? Or has this been your style all along? Actually, the re-post was an accident. Do you know what 'repeatedly" means? I think this is a huge story and I would like to learn the truth about it, with as many details as possible. However, with our lame media, I don't know if I will get that opportunity. I may not vote NDP now. Edited April 30, 2011 by lukin Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Now you're just going to repeatedly cut-and-paste your own remarks? Or has this been your style all along? More of the same unsubstantiated personal attack politics from the Conservatives that Canadians are so sick of. Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and Canadians elect Jack Layton as Prime Minister. Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 More of the same unsubstantiated personal attack politics from the Conservatives that Canadians are so sick of. Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camel's back and Canadians elect Jack Layton as Prime Minister. Are you saying the Conservatives are behind the Layton story? Are you very confident? Quote
Dave_ON Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 wow seriously? A nigh on 3 decade old new story, this is the desperation level of the tories now? How very sad. That aside, why do I even care what any politician does in his free time, and further why is it anyone elses buisiness? Just a prime example of how the CPC wants to dictate peoples private lives. Quote Follow the man who seeks the truth; run from the man who has found it. -Vaclav Haval-
cybercoma Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 So you "get" that there's a connotation after all. (so who's contradicting themselves?)So is it unreasonable to assume Jack was probably aware of the connotation too? Is it reasonable to wonder if he should have wondered if he was in the wrong place *before* the police showed up? -k I absolutely get that there's connotation, but that has everything to do with the way the story is presented and likely nothing to do with the circumstances of the case. Chinatown has all kinds of holistic therapy "parlours" from acupunture to massage therapy. If I went to a massage parlour in Chinatown, I wouldn't think twice about the connotation of such a thing. When the story is written on the eve of the election with Ezra Levant running around Twitter saying Layton was "jacked off by an illegal Asian whore" that's when I might put the pieces together. I don't really want to run around in circles here arguing about postmodern notions of signs and signifiers, talking about Jacques Derrida and desconstructionism. Suffice it to say that something which may have been totally benign to Layton and Chow is taking on a life of its own now. I guess what I'm saying is Chinatown Massage Parlour has a connotation, but that connotation may have no anchor in reality and Layton may not have thought about this place in those terms at the time. In fact, given his record I find it highly unlikely that he was thinking of it in connotative terms, even if that's not sufficient evidence to say he didn't.I agree with your apprehension though. Without knowing all of the details surrounding the incident, it's difficult to know whether or not Layton should have known better. Without any charges for operating a bawdy house against the establishment or charges against Jack Layton paying for sexual services, I'm inclined to believe that it's not the type of Chinatown Massage Parlour being connotated. Quote
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