Good Faith

[Alan]

In a show of Good Faith today, President Obama addressed the controversial issue of his disputed birthplace today...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42779923/ns/politics-white_house?GT1=43001

Hat tip to him for caring enough to settle this matter once and for all. Salut, Mr. President!

[Shady]

Hat tip to Donald Trump for forcing him to finally release it.

[BubberMiley]

Hat tip to Donald Trump for forcing him to finally release it.

Indeed. Otherwise...anybody with any sense would still be convinced he was born in Hawaii.

Thank God for Donald Trump.

[Smallc]

Hat tip to Donald Trump for forcing him to finally release it.

Because that stopped the birther nonsense...on wait, no it didn't. Donald Trump is an idiot.

[Pliny]

Because that stopped the birther nonsense...on wait, no it didn't. Donald Trump is an idiot.

Oh wait... wasn't Obama all about transparency? Should have happened a long time ago.

Donald Trump is not an idiot. He isn't politically savvy, I will agree with.

[CANADIEN]

Donald Trump is not an idiot.

Indeed. As he proves every time he opens his mouth, the word idiot is a gross understatement when applied to him.

[Shady]

Because that stopped the birther nonsense...on wait, no it didn't. Donald Trump is an idiot.

Agreed. But what it proves is that the nonsense about Hawaii only issuing the short form Certificate of Live Birth, and that that was all that Obama had, was a big lie. Obviously the long form existed, and could have been released long ago.

[BubberMiley]

Obviously the long form existed, and could have been released long ago.

But there was no reason to. There was no question where he was born among the sane.

[Smallc]

Obviously, there was no reason to release it though, since it didn't convince any birthers, and it didn't change anything for the rest of us.

[Shady]

But there was no reason to. There was no question where he was born among the sane.

I agree. But many people questioned the release of only the short form certificate. And when that was questioned, the answer to that was that that certificate was the only thing issued by Hawaii. Well, that turns out to be a complete lie. A long form could have been released long ago.

[Smallc]

I agree. But many people questioned the release of only the short form certificate. And when that was questioned, the answer to that was that that certificate was the only thing issued by Hawaii. Well, that turns out to be a complete lie. A long form could have been released long ago.

Well, the short form probably is the only thing issued. It's simply that you can get a copy of the original if you need it.

[Shady]

Well, the short form probably is the only thing issued. It's simply that you can get a copy of the original if you need it.

Sounds right.

[Guest American Woman]

I agree. But many people questioned the release of only the short form certificate.

Take a look at who those "many people" are.

And when that was questioned, the answer to that was that that certificate was the only thing issued by Hawaii. Well, that turns out to be a complete lie. A long form could have been released long ago.

No, it wasn't a lie at all, complete or otherwise. Hawaii only releases the short form, just as Obama said, and he had to apply for a waiver for them to break their rules and issue a copy of the long form to him. So he received special favor from Hawaii to settle this issue for the "many people" who couldn't accept the legal and official short form and insisted on making a big deal out of something that wasn't there. Now we'll have to wait and see if those very people will criticize him for asking for 'special treatment' from the state of Hawaii.

Early last week the decision was made to by the White House to review the legal basis for seeking a waiver from the long-standing prohibition in the State Department of Health on releasing the long-form birth certificate. After a legal analysis, White House counsel Bob Bauer determined a waiver request could be made and that the president had the grounds upon which to make that request.

The department outlined the requirements for the president to make this request. On Friday, Corley wrote to Loretta Fuddy, the director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, to “request a waiver of the Department of Health’s policy” so President Obama “can obtain two certified copies of his original, ‘long form’ birth certificate.” Corley provided a letter from the president authorizing her to receive the two copies, On Monday, April 25, Fuddy alerted the president that she would make an exception for the president. Corley flew to Hawaii and returned with the two copies yesterday evening.

An exception was ultimately made for the President and he received copies of his long form birth certificate.

link

Edited May 1, 2011 by American Woman

[BubberMiley]

Well, that turns out to be a complete lie. A long form could have been released long ago.

You will find that what AW said is the truth.

So you were the one caught in the complete lie.

Or you didn't know what you were talking about.

Which one is it again?

[CANADIEN]

I agree. But many people questioned the release of only the short form certificate. And when that was questioned, the answer to that was that that certificate was the only thing issued by Hawaii. Well, that turns out to be a complete lie. A long form could have been released long ago.

What part of fact it took a SPECIAL PERMISSION from the State of Hawaii for the long form to be issued is beyond your capacity to comprehend? All of it it seems.

It is unlikely such a permission would have been granted a few years ago. It basically took both Obama and the state authorities having enough of the whole circus for it to happen.

Now that the circus stopped, of course. It only took hours for birthers to start claiming that it was a forgry. If those morons were magically brought back to the very moment and place Barack Hussein Obama II was born, they'd still find a way to argue it's not true. And it is likely you would find somebody to fault baby Barack for.

Edited May 1, 2011 by CANADIEN

[Shady]

You will find that what AW said is the truth.

I agree, what she said is absolutely the truth. But the fact of the matter is that people that asked for Obama to release his full birth certificate were told Hawaii doesn't produce those. Which turned out to be false. As was known long ago, there's a short form, and a long form. Not just a short form.

[Shady]

What part of fact it took a SPECIAL PERMISSION from the State of Hawaii for the long form to be issued is beyond your capacity to comprehend? All of it it seems.

It doesn't take muuch special permission from the state. Just a waiver asked for by the person who wants their full form to be released. Obama never even attempted to seek such a waiver. Only recently. And it barely took any time at all. If you think a state isn't going to give permission to the President of the United States to get a copy of his own birth certificate, you're lost beyond help.

[CANADIEN]

It doesn't take muuch special permission from the state. Just a waiver asked for by the person who wants their full form to be released. Obama never even attempted to seek such a waiver. Only recently. And it barely took any time at all. If you think a state isn't going to give permission to the President of the United States to get a copy of his own birth certificate, you're lost beyond help.

And if you believe the State of Hawaii wouldn't have bent its own rule if it wasn't for the fact that some morons have been harassing them for years to do so, then it is most definitely you who are lost. Well, hatred that ignores logic tends to do that to people.

[Shady]

And if you believe the State of Hawaii wouldn't have bent its own rule if it wasn't for the fact that some morons have been harassing them for years to do so, then it is most definitely you who are lost. Well, hatred that ignores logic tends to do that to people.

No rule needed to be bended.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that Hawaii does indeed provide the long form birth certificate. The nonsense about them only keeping short form certificates was a complete lie. Unfortunately it took Trump to illustrate it.

Anyways, as I've always said, Obama is an American citizen, born in Hawaii. I just didn't believe the lies about there not existing the usual birth certificate. And I was completely vidicated.

[Guest American Woman]

It doesn't take muuch special permission from the state.

Oh yes it does. Did you read what was posted??

Just a waiver asked for by the person who wants their full form to be released.

Ummmm. No. Far from it.

Obama never even attempted to seek such a waiver. Only recently. And it barely took any time at all. If you think a state isn't going to give permission to the President of the United States to get a copy of his own birth certificate, you're lost beyond help.

Up until now, considering the short form birth certificate is what is given to people, since the short form is the legal and normal route to go, Obama hasn't asked for any special privileges as POTUS regarding his birth certificate. Furthermore, the state made sure they were releasing it by the letter of their law. The POTUS isn't above the law, and I'm sure you'd raise one helluva ruckus if he were.

You were wrong, plain and simple. Your denial doesn't change that.

In 2001, the Hawaii State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates. link

I agree, what she said is absolutely the truth. But the fact of the matter is that people that asked for Obama to release his full birth certificate were told Hawaii doesn't produce those. Which turned out to be false. As was known long ago, there's a short form, and a long form. Not just a short form

Repeating: In 2001, the Hawaii State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.

Edited May 1, 2011 by American Woman

[Shady]

Repeating: In 2001, the Hawaii State Department of Health began computer-generating vital statistics records. Since then, its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records to fulfill requests for certified copies of certificates.

Yes, but they still keep long form birth certificates. All one has to do is take a look at the one they issued recently for the President. Do you think they just made that up on the spot? Nope.

[BubberMiley]

Yes, but they still keep long form birth certificates.

Who said they don't?

[Guest American Woman]

Yes, but they still keep long form birth certificates. All one has to do is take a look at the one they issued recently for the President. Do you think they just made that up on the spot? Nope.

Who said they don't?? What was said is that they don't produce them, those are even the words that you used, and they don't. Again: its longstanding policy and practice has been to issue and provide only the computer-generated Certifications of Live Birth, and to not produce photocopies of actual records

Who do you think you're making look bad by not acknowledging that you were wrong -- Obama or you? Seriously. Think about it. The rest of us can read and comprehend what we read, so the answer is really quite obvious.

[bush_cheney2004]

President Obama had a lot of fun with this tonight at the White House Correspondent's Dinner:

He quipped that Michelle Bachmann was born in Canada!

[GostHacked]

The lie was that only the short form existed. The long form according to these same people never existed. And now all of a sudden it does?

Just one curious thing about the newly released version, is the curling of it on the left side of the document, there is more to it, but only half is showed and made to look like the rest of the background.