cybercoma Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) I can't believe any poll that has the Liberals doing that well in Calgary Centre. Neither can 308 themselves. They had an article explaining that it's probably an "outlier" and that Forum is notoriously inaccurate. Although it would be really awesome if they were. Edited November 16, 2012 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 Neither can 308 themselves. They had an article explaining that it's probably an "outlier" and that Forum is notoriously inaccurate. Although it would be really awesome if they were. The Greens website are hoisting up the poll for Victoria as proof that they're surging across Canada. Despite it only being one poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
login Posted November 16, 2012 Report Share Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) It would be in the liberals interest to Merge with the green party since they are the most environmentally proactive party regardless. In giving concessions to the greens in terms of policy consolidation, if it succeeded then it would position the liberals much better. ex. Insuring the Environment Canada and Industry Canada profolios to the Greens and appointing green sentators. Edited November 16, 2012 by login Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 It would be in the liberals interest to Merge with the green party since they are the most environmentally proactive party regardless. In giving concessions to the greens in terms of policy consolidation, if it succeeded then it would position the liberals much better. ex. Insuring the Environment Canada and Industry Canada profolios to the Greens and appointing green sentators. How do you figure that? What did the Liberals do with their 3 majorities? - next to nothing as far as I can tell. Beyond the contentious Climate Change "issue" - which both parties have done little if anything - the Conservatives have at least done a workmanlike job on cleaning up air quality, creating more Federal Parks, and doing many behind-the scenes regulatory improvements to help what we used to know as the Environment. The Left wingers and tree huggers are too caught up with the Climate Change boondoggle to pay attention to things that really matter - clean air, clean water, and protecting the eco-systems and wildlife. If anything, Greens are fully independent voices who could go anywhere - but never as a group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 May begged to get into a debate with leaders and she was the most arrogant person ever to be on a debate. And it cost her. That is why she lost 1/2 million votes and did not get back on the last debate. The 1st time I haerd about her was the tar ponds out east, doing a good job at trying to get them cleaned up, but then she disappeared. And then she reapppears inside suzuki's pocket, lost all respect for her there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 How did she lose half a million votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 How did she lose half a million votes? I'm guessing it went to Layton's orange crush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Layton was a nice man and Obama has shown that nice men with no plan can win an election so who knows what might have been if he had lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Layton was a nice man and Obama has shown that nice men with no plan can win an election so who knows what might have been if he had lived. You have no idea what you are talking about. Seriously it is like facts and reason are beyond. Making blanket statements with no argument to support them you remind me a lot of a poster we use to have here called Mr. Canada. Hmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I'm guessing it went to Layton's orange crush. But that wouldn't have anything to do with her 2008 debate performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Layton was a nice man and Obama has shown that nice men with no plan can win an election so who knows what might have been if he had lived. Good point, I guess we may see with Justin Trudeau. Canada's new Jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 if the polls in the federal byelection in calgary can be believed the greens are running third...what was supposed to be a easy win for the cpc is not turning out that way, the cpc candidate who supported the wildrose party in the last provincial election is losing support, dropping from 48 to 32%, the liberal candidate is closing in at 30%, the green candidate sitting at 23%, ndp at 12%...it would a hell of shocker if the greens could win... if it were not for the green candiadate green votes would propbalby go to a liberal or ndp, a cpc defeat would then be a likely outcome...interesting race however it ends up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Good point, I guess we may see with Justin Trudeau. Canada's new Jack. We should only be so lucky. Trudeau was just like the rest of them calling Jack, "Taliban Jack" not to long ago. You can try to shine that turd all you want fact is he doesn't understand the problems or have the vision Jack had. His decision have been poor and he has often come off as uninformed. If you think for a second Jack would have said Quebec should separate if the Conservatives keep winning like Justin did then you never paid attention to Canadian politics in the first place. Sorry buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 We should only be so lucky. Trudeau was just like the rest of them calling Jack, "Taliban Jack" not to long ago. You can try to shine that turd all you want fact is he doesn't understand the problems or have the vision Jack had. His decision have been poor and he has often come off as uninformed. If you think for a second Jack would have said Quebec should separate if the Conservatives keep winning like Justin did then you never paid attention to Canadian politics in the first place. Sorry buddy. Didn't Trudeau initially wanted to stay home to raise his family? Why the change of thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Didn't Trudeau initially wanted to stay home to raise his family? Why the change of thoughts? Apparently his family isn't as important as the Liberal Party?? Unless he started off his run already lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Apparently his family isn't as important as the Liberal Party?? Unless he started off his run already lying. I have a feeling that he was pressure by party insiders to run after Rae announced that he won't be running for leadership. Nearly all(L)liberals jumped on the Trudeau bandwagon after his announcement into the race. Well before the leadership race officially began which tells me that the Liberals are still stuck on the messiah-searching syndrome. The same syndrome they had when they seek out Ignatieff. Edited November 18, 2012 by Sleipnir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I have a feeling that he was pressure by party insiders to run after Rae announced that he won't be running for leadership. Nearly all(L)liberals jumped on the Trudeau bandwagon after his announcement into the race. Well before the leadership race officially began which tells me that the Liberals are still stuck on the messiah-searching syndrome. The same syndrome they had when they seek out Ignatieff. Well that is no way to run a party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 We should only be so lucky. Trudeau was just like the rest of them calling Jack, "Taliban Jack" not to long ago. You can try to shine that turd all you want fact is he doesn't understand the problems or have the vision Jack had. His decision have been poor and he has often come off as uninformed. If you think for a second Jack would have said Quebec should separate if the Conservatives keep winning like Justin did then you never paid attention to Canadian politics in the first place. Sorry buddy. Ahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) The problem is the lack of proportional representation. Most canadians vote, left, but the right runs the government with a minority of votes simply, because of the lack of proportional representation. It is not democratic to have a minority of those who voted running the country. The conservatives although a minority are good at divide and conquer, and they have a system, which allows them to get away with it, to the disadvantage of the Demos, who aren't being represented to the same degree. Edited November 19, 2012 by kairos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 It is not democratic to have a minority of those who voted running the country. Honestly it seems that no countries on Earth can be truly considered democratic, just as no countries on Earth can truly be communist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 There are plenty of social democracies that are democratic. Germany and Australia for example both have democratic election systems, which ensure the representation of the Demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 There are plenty of social democracies that are democratic. Germany and Australia for example both have democratic election systems, which ensure the representation of the Demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The conservatives although a minority are good at divide and conquer, and they have a system, which allows them to get away with it, to the disadvantage of the Demos, who aren't being represented to the same degree. They learned this game from the Liberals who employed the same strategy before them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 But that wouldn't have anything to do with her 2008 debate performance. That was the start of her down fall. Her arrogance and rudeness, plus she looks like she just walk out of a salvation army store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoDucks Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 That was the start of her down fall. Her arrogance and rudeness, plus she looks like she just walk out of a salvation army store. So you're saying she fell all the way down into her seat as an MP? Or is it that clothing is the most important aspect of a politician? Please feel free to elaborate on the point you're failing to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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