Are women in danger of losing their abortion rights?

scouterjim · April 21, 2011

Harper knows it is political suicide to bring up abortion, and to change the laws regarding it. He himself may be against it, but he is smart enough to know to not tamper with it.

Topaz · April 21, 2011

This morning when asked about this Michael said he's for a woman's right to chose, and he knows that some of his members have a different view and he respects their views.

Harry · April 21, 2011

This abortion scandal could well destroy the Conservatives in Quebec.

Shady · April 21, 2011

This abortion scandal could well destroy the Conservatives in Quebec.

LOL, where's the scandal? :rolleyes:

capricorn · April 21, 2011

This morning when asked about this Michael said he's for a woman's right to chose, and he knows that some of his members have a different view and he respects their views.

Here's a more complete perspective of Ignatieff's views on abortion.

“My personal view is abortion should be as rare and as infrequent as family planning, good medical care and education can make it,” said Ignatieff.
“But it should be legal.”

Ignatieff said demand for abortions will always exist, and outlawing the practice could expose women to botched medical procedures. Abortions are sometimes necessary to save the lives of women who cannot give birth safely, he added.

“Sometimes it’s a choice between the life of the mother and the unborn child,” said Ignatieff.

http://www.stoneycreeknews.com/news/article/221777

IMO we're doing just fine without having to create a law legalizing abortion.

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As far as the OP goes, I'm fine with withdrawing funding for an international effort on the question of abortion. International planned parenthood my foot. Who the hell do we think we are exporting our methods and programs on abortion to foreign countries.

Molly · April 21, 2011

Look Molly, there is zero chance of you voting for teh Conservatives and I can see that you are fervently pro-choice. I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinion.

I just happen to think that it is hypocritical for the Liberals to raise this issue, and it is just plain wrong to say that Harper is going to criminalize abortion.

In pure political terms, this kind of "scary, scary, hidden agenda" talk has no effect on potential Conservative voters. The opposition has played this card so many times that no listens anymore. Harper has been PM for five years and the sky is still blue.

You are correct that I'd spoil my ballot rather than vote CPC, but

1) the Liberals didn't raise this subject. Brad Trost did.

And:

2) Of course Harper wouldn't act openly and attempt to criminalize abortion, because the CPC would be erased from the map on the very first opportunity following. A low-key harrassment campaign, though, that defunds advocacy and ties up access in red tape is pretty much a given.

Feel free not to listen. It's the Tory way.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

— L. Frank Baum

Edited April 21, 2011 by Molly

Battletoads · April 21, 2011

And the Consreal agenda rears its head. The Liberals an NDP should be playing this for all its worth.

Battletoads · April 21, 2011

Harper knows it is political suicide to bring up abortion, and to change the laws regarding it. He himself may be against it, but he is smart enough to know to not tamper with it.

So what your saying is we can't trust Harper to stand up against what he thinks is wrong. Sounds like the trait of a weak leader to me.

cybercoma · April 21, 2011

This morning when asked about this Michael said he's for a woman's right to chose, and he knows that some of his members have a different view and he respects their views.

Politics is a nasty game. To say you respect members of parliament who believe that women should not have control over their reproductive life is just plain wrong. The SCC has already ruled on it and most people I know consider it a fundamental right that women have full control over their bodies, rather than the choice being legislated against. He might as well say he respects the opinion of those that supported the eugenics program in Alberta. It's a disgusting ideological position and doesn't deserve any amount of respect. The government has no business making decisions for women about their bodies.

Harry · April 21, 2011

I wonder how many thousands of women voters Brian Trost cost Harper today? What a loose cannon he is. How in the world is Harper going to discipline him - kick him out of the caucus?

scribblet · April 21, 2011

he's not in caucus, there's an election, he may not get elected again either.

scouterjim · April 21, 2011

So what your saying is we can't trust Harper to stand up against what he thinks is wrong. Sounds like the trait of a weak leader to me.

Or a savvy politician.

YEGmann · April 22, 2011

1) the Liberals didn't raise this subject. Brad Trost did.

Can you prove this, Molly? Do you have Brad Trost's own words?

What we have now, Brad told about another issue, foreign NGO not receiving Canadian money. The Canadian chapter of this organization does not have its funding cut.

This is liberal-supporting media puts the words "because of abortion" into Brad's mouth.

2) Of course Harper wouldn't act openly and attempt to criminalize abortion, because the CPC would be erased from the map on the very first opportunity following. A low-key harrassment campaign, though, that defunds advocacy and ties up access in red tape is pretty much a given.

The main feature of conspiracy theories is that they cannot be disproved by normal logics, because a conspirologist will use even more explanations based on conspiracy.

Nevertheless, Harper practically has proved he will not raise the abortion problem review.

guyser · April 22, 2011

Can you prove this, Molly? Do you have Brad Trost's own words?

What we have now, Brad told about another issue, foreign NGO not receiving Canadian money. The Canadian chapter of this organization does not have its funding cut.

This is liberal-supporting media puts the words "because of abortion" into Brad's mouth.

Phew, for a minute there Brad said something else......like this...

" Trost told the weekend meeting that thanks in part to petitions from the group, the federal government has "de-funded" Planned Parenthood International. (Planned Parenthood later said it has received no official word on its funding.)

Asked Thursday why it should be defunded, Trost said, "Because it supports abortion.""

Damn aliens putting words in his mouth.

Heeeyyyyy.....wait a minute......

YEGmann · April 22, 2011

Asked Thursday why it should be defunded, Trost said, "Because it supports abortion.""

Heeeyyyyy.....wait a minute......

OK. This is his personal opinion. Though we do not have a context, I suspect he said more.

But hey, wait a minute! Shouldn't the question have sounded "Why it was defunded"?

My point is that it is the pro-liberal media assuming defunding (if any) is related to supporting abortion. There can be thousand more reasons.

guyser · April 22, 2011

OK. This is his personal opinion. Though we do not have a context, I suspect he said more.

But hey, wait a minute! Shouldn't the question have sounded "Why it was defunded"?

My point is that it is the pro-liberal media assuming defunding (if any) is related to supporting abortion. There can be thousand more reasons.

Yegmann, this pro-liberal media stuff is wearing a bit thin doncha think. You arent the only one but really , cant people give that old saw a rest?

Mr.Canada · April 22, 2011

I doubt any politician will open up abortion again. Not going to happen. Who's running campaign of fear again?

ToadBrother · April 22, 2011

I doubt any politician will open up abortion again. Not going to happen. Who's running campaign of fear again?

Whose got the big-mouthed halfwitted self-aggrandizing candidate again?

Battletoads · April 22, 2011

Or a savvy politician.

if by 'savvy' you mean 'will do or say anything to get elected' then I agree.

TimG · April 22, 2011

Whose got the big-mouthed halfwitted self-aggrandizing candidate again?

Would that be the KKK member that the libs booted out?

Mr.Canada · April 22, 2011

Whose got the big-mouthed halfwitted self-aggrandizing candidate again?

People are allowed to have their own opinion. I didn't read anything in the law book that states that one must agree with state sanctioned abortion. Are you trying to say that people aren't allowed to have their own free thoughts now TB?

RNG · April 22, 2011

Whose got the big-mouthed halfwitted self-aggrandizing candidate again?

All of them, and you should have made cadidate plural.

Keepitsimple · April 22, 2011

Lord help us if somewhere down the road we end up with an actual Abortion Law like every other Western country. But we won't.......it'll be left alone because we can't have rational conversations in Canada. Same as Medicare. No talking allowed. Be quiet over there.

ToadBrother · April 22, 2011

People are allowed to have their own opinion. I didn't read anything in the law book that states that one must agree with state sanctioned abortion. Are you trying to say that people aren't allowed to have their own free thoughts now TB?

I never said he wasn't allowed his own opinion, but he was puffing himself up and making claims that Soudas pretty much had to turn around and try to discredit. He can speak his mind, but he went some distance beyond that, and I have a feeling that Harper is none too happy about it.

Harry · April 22, 2011

So we'll put you down as totally biased and unreliable, given to making false statements - ok?

Can you prove this, Molly? Do you have Brad Trost's own words?

What we have now, Brad told about another issue, foreign NGO not receiving Canadian money. The Canadian chapter of this organization does not have its funding cut.

This is liberal-supporting media puts the words "because of abortion" into Brad's mouth.

Edited April 22, 2011 by Harry