Mr.Canada Posted April 22, 2011 Report Posted April 22, 2011 I'm all for cannabis being decriminalized at the very least. I'd like to see it be legal for people to grow a few plants if they'd like for personal consumption. The cannabis laws are outdated and stupid. It wastes so much time and money in our courts for no good reason. If people want to smoke cannabis or grow a few plants I simply do not care and neither should the government. Their are many much more important issues plaguing society. BTW I do not smoke cannabis at all. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
cybercoma Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Who are you and what did you do with Mr. Canada? Quote
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) I'm all for cannabis being decriminalized at the very least. I'd like to see it be legal for people to grow a few plants if they'd like for personal consumption. The cannabis laws are outdated and stupid. It wastes so much time and money in our courts for no good reason. If people want to smoke cannabis or grow a few plants I simply do not care and neither should the government. Their are many much more important issues plaguing society. BTW I do not smoke cannabis at all. this will be about the only you and I ever agree on anything, well almost agree.....there needs to be a method on testing for impairment for operating a vehicle and what are safe levels of consumption when operating a vehicle...other than that decriminalize it, let farmers grow it, sell it and collect tax on it....btw I have used, a fair amount when I was younger but it was scary some of my school mates did some hard time for possession, really sad considering how regard it today...last time I tried some this past year in amsterdam with my daughters, sitting at a sidewalk cafe only meters away from a police station, it's way more potent today than when I was young, I still prefer wine or a cold beer... Edited April 23, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
RNG Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) Three year ago I was a "hang-em high" right wing pro-horrendous prison sentence, capital punishment fan. Then attending a US political forum did a terrible thing to me. I got some hard facts slap me upside the head. The whole US three strikes your out, zero tollerance, yada, yada shit don't work. Look at the stats. And mandatory minimums are just sh*t. Look at the states, it sucks. And the tory's fight against the safe injection site in Vancouver has no factual support, and in fact has factual proof of being wrong, again. I will vote conservative, but their lie about unit trust, their more bad prisons stand, and their lack of allowing MP's doing their thing makes me mad. Still not as bad as the freaking Libs. Edited April 23, 2011 by RNG Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
cybercoma Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Three year ago I was a "hang-em high" right wing pro-horrendous prison sentence, capital punishment fan. Then attending a US political forum did a terrible thing to me. I got some hard facts slap me upside the head. The whole US three strikes your out, zero tollerance, yada, yada shit don't work. Look at the stats. And mandatory minimums are just sh*t. Look at the states, it sucks. And the tory's fight against the safe injection site in Vancouver has no factual support, and in fact has factual proof of being wrong, again. I will vote conservative, but their lie about unit trust, their more bad prisons stand, and their lack of allowing MP's doing their thing makes me mad. Still not as bad as the freaking Libs. So you list a bunch of things that are not only wrong, but seriously dangerous for society and you're going to vote for the party that wants to do those things? Excuse me for being crass, but you are an idiot. Quote
RNG Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 So you list a bunch of things that are not only wrong, but seriously dangerous for society and you're going to vote for the party that wants to do those things? Excuse me for being crass, but you are an idiot. What did I list that was wrong? And what party is better? I think sir, you are the deluded idiot. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 What did I list that was wrong? And what party is better? I think sir, you are the deluded idiot. seriously you're planning to vote for a party that you know has serious social agenda flaws that will fuck up peoples lives and cost the taxpayers billions for an expanded prison system that will create more social problems and do nothing to prevent crime...I wouldn't describe you as a deluded idiot because you do recognize the problem but you are very illogical... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
RNG Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) seriously you're planning to vote for a party that you know has serious social agenda flaws that will fuck up peoples lives and cost the taxpayers billions for an expanded prison system that will create more social problems and do nothing to prevent crime...I wouldn't describe you as a deluded idiot because you do recognize the problem but you are very illogical... I am against the "tough on crine" stuff. But who else? Tax lots and spend more Layton? Tax and spend too much Iggy who doesn't have a clue. I was going to spoil my ballot cause they are all idiots, but I got grandkids now. To save their futures, I got to vote conservative. Bad but less bad then the other idiots. Edited April 23, 2011 by RNG Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I am against the "tough on crine" stuff. But who else? Tax lots and spend more Layton? Tax and spend too much Iggy who doesn't have a clue. I was going to spoil my ballot cause they are all idiots, but I got grandkids now. To save their futures, I got to vote conservative. Bad but less bad then the other idiots. 30 billion for jets the military wants but doesn't need, billions for prisons that will produce more crime/criminals...billions in tax cuts for corporations that take their profits out of the country, and now new offers from the conservatives that will paid for by mysterious unnamed cuts elsewhere in 4 or 5 years maybe ..wow that's sure a confidence inspiring money management plan...and you have nothing to back up your "tax lots and spend more Layton" there has never been a federal ndp government, provincial ndp provincial governments have proven to be no worse financial managers than any conservative government...the ndp as poor financial managers is pure myth cooked up by conservative and liberal backroom boys... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
cybercoma Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 What did I list that was wrong? And what party is better? I think sir, you are the deluded idiot. I apologize for calling you and idiot. I can't understand for the life of me, though, why one would vote for a party that they know is going to cause so much damage. I'm sorry I called you an idiot, but if you know all the problems that will come of their agenda, how in God's name can you actually vote for them? Even if they are as fiscally responsible as you claim, those "tough on crime" initiatives have some serious detrimental effects for society attached to them that considerably outweigh any fiscally responsible policies they might have. I think wyly, for the purposes of this forum, adequately outline just how fiscally irresponsible they have been. Sure Harper cut the GST, but he damaged revenues to the federal government and racked up a massive debt before the crash of 2008. He tried spending his way out of the crash and has now dumped a bunch of money into other things. All while reducing revenues. It's fine to say you want to cut taxes, but you can't keep spending money when you do it. Now I don't agree that the jets are unnecessary. The CF-18s will need to be replaced; however, something that also ought to conern you, especially since you're obviously a fiscal-conservative, is the way Harper wants to spend taxpayers money without consulting parliament or telling anyone how much these things will cost. There's supposed to be an open-tender process. If he wants to spend your money, he's supposed to tell you how much he's spending and our representatives in the House are supposed to be involved in the decision-making process. As a fiscal conservative, it ought to concern you that he wants to spend your money without telling you how much nor have any discussion with the House about where it should go. You're not an idiot, but knowing the serious consequences of Conservative policy and still voting for them is baffling. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 this will be about the only you and I ever agree on anything, well almost agree.....there needs to be a method on testing for impairment for operating a vehicle and what are safe levels of consumption when operating a vehicle...other than that decriminalize it, let farmers grow it, sell it and collect tax on it.... btw I have used, a fair amount when I was younger but it was scary some of my school mates did some hard time for possession, really sad considering how regard it today...last time I tried some this past year in amsterdam with my daughters, sitting at a sidewalk cafe only meters away from a police station, it's way more potent today than when I was young, I still prefer wine or a cold beer... Not everything needs to be taxed. I don't want the gov't to start selling it like alcohol just let people choose to grow it if they wish. Some things should just be free for people to do without gov't involvement. I like the laws regarding cannabis in Spain. They have ideal laws surrounding cannabis. Canada should adopt similar policies. I don't think the gov't needs to be involved in every aspect of our lives. We need less gov't not more. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Not everything needs to be taxed. I don't want the gov't to start selling it like alcohol just let people choose to grow it if they wish. Some things should just be free for people to do without gov't involvement. Why should marijuana be one of them? It causes averse health effects and requires treatment services. Tax it. That way, it will pay for itself, unlike now. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Why should marijuana be one of them? It causes averse health effects and requires treatment services. Tax it. That way, it will pay for itself, unlike now. So you advocate creating yet another gov't bureaucracy employing hundreds of ppl and in turn raising our taxes. We need less gov't not more. We have enough Big Brother as it is. I heard somewhere that there isn't any scientific data saying that cannabis has caused any adverse health effects. Can't some things in our society just be free to do without being legislated to death? Do we really need a gov't office for everything? Again we need less gov't not more as you would like to have. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 So you advocate creating yet another gov't bureaucracy employing hundreds of ppl and in turn raising our taxes. We need less gov't not more. In this case, we do need less, you're right. The reduction will come in the form of gang and drug units for the police. Theere will be a small increase in the number of provincial tax workers (maybe), but sin taxes are a great thing for those of us that never drink, don't smoke, don't and wouldn't do drugs, and can count the number of times they've gambled on both hands put together probably. Hell, they should legalize prostitution and tax that too.....that one I may be more willing to use.... Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 In this case, we do need less, you're right. The reduction will come in the form of gang and drug units for the police. Theere will be a small increase in the number of provincial tax workers (maybe), but sin taxes are a great thing for those of us that never drink, don't smoke, don't and wouldn't do drugs, and can count the number of times they've gambled on both hands put together probably. Hell, they should legalize prostitution and tax that too.....that one I may be more willing to use.... Come on Smallc now you're being a bit naive. Gangs will simply move to something else to sell, I'm sure many of them sell crack as well. I wouldn't have a problem with legal hookers providing they are kept in certain red light districts or in papers or online. I don't want to see them strolling my neighborhood and I doubt anyone else would want them in theirs either, NIMBYism will be a problem. I gamble almost daily, drink and smoke a cigar occasionally but I never use hookers or do recreational drugs. I'd like to see more political debate surrounding cannabis and the sex trade. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Sir Bandelot Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 We need less gov't not more. We have enough Big Brother as it is... Can't some things in our society just be free to do without being legislated to death? Do we really need a gov't office for everything? Again we need less gov't not more as you would like to have. Aymen Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Aymen But please keep the government presently keeping the river from my door. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Not everything needs to be taxed. I don't want the gov't to start selling it like alcohol just let people choose to grow it if they wish. Some things should just be free for people to do without gov't involvement. I like the laws regarding cannabis in Spain. They have ideal laws surrounding cannabis. Canada should adopt similar policies. I don't think the gov't needs to be involved in every aspect of our lives. We need less gov't not more. if it's sold it needs to be taxed-GST, and income gained from it's sale needs to be taxed...conservatives have this looney idea you can run a country without tax, try own a home without investing in it's upkeep... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) if it's sold it needs to be taxed-GST, and income gained from it's sale needs to be taxed...conservatives have this looney idea you can run a country without tax, try own a home without investing in it's upkeep... I don't want it to be sold by gov't at all. If people want to grow it they can, if they want to smoke it they can, if they want to possess it they can. I really don't care. Our courts are bogged down far too much with silly charges like some kid who has a half-quarter of pot....who cares? If someone grows a vegetable garden in their backyard we don't tax them, this is the same thing. Once people are allowed to grow it legally , it will become much more widely grown bringing the price way down, making it much less valuable for organized crime and for everyday people. Edited April 23, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Come on Smallc now you're being a bit naive. Gangs will simply move to something else to sell, I'm sure many of them sell crack as well.they do that now but obviously it's not a popular drug of choice among canadians so profit from it's sale is not enticing to criminals gangs, criminals are still practical businessmen... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I don't want it to be sold by gov't at all. If people want to grow it they can, if they want to smoke it they can, if they want to possess it they can. I really don't care. Our courts are bogged down far too much with silly charges like some kid who has a half-quarter of pot....who cares? If someone grows a vegetable garden in their backyard we don't tax them, this is the same thing. Once people are allowed to grow it legally , it will become much more widely grown bringing the price way down, making it much less valuable for organized crime and for everyday people. if someone grows their own then it's not an issue for taxation, it's when they sell it for profit it becomes taxable...you can make your own beer or wine without taxation, grow your own veggies too but not everyone wants to do that most like myself just prefer to buy it... I agree making it legal to grow and sell would kill the illegal trade in pot... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
TimG Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 I agree making it legal to grow and sell would kill the illegal trade in pot...Not as long as the Americans keep it illegal. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 if someone grows their own then it's not an issue for taxation, it's when they sell it for profit it becomes taxable...you can make your own beer or wine without taxation, grow your own veggies too but not everyone wants to do that most like myself just prefer to buy it... I agree making it legal to grow and sell would kill the illegal trade in pot... It's definitely an issue that requires more debate on how any changes would be instituted. I'm sure we can both agree on that. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Not as long as the Americans keep it illegal. if it's illegal in the usa not here then it's not illegal, whether it's illegal or illegal in canada will have no effect on smuggling into the the us... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 It's definitely an issue that requires more debate on how any changes would be instituted. I'm sure we can both agree on that. yes...a first mr canada and wyly agree on something, that's how democracy works... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
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