punked Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Posted April 30, 2011 Sounds to me like the Senate might actually demonstrate it's reason for existing. Sounds to me like the Senate might just give the NDP the will to get rid of them. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) Sounds to me like the Senate might just give the NDP the will to get rid of them. And once again for the kiddies at home, the Senate's abolition is not the prerogative of the Federal Government. It has no unilateral right to do anything of the kind. Edited April 30, 2011 by ToadBrother Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) I don't really care what their platform says. I don't think they would be able to follow most of it anyway. The first Harper Tory minority they had 5 priorities which they followed so I don't buy that at all. Parties are expected to do what they set out to do. Edited April 30, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) The first Harper Tory minority they had 5 priorities which they followed so I don't buy that at all. Parties are expected to do what they set out to do. Harper didn't keep the promises he made in the last election, because of the economic crisis that wasn't going to happen. Circumstances change. Edited April 30, 2011 by Smallc Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 The first Harper Tory minority they had 5 priorities which they followed so I don't buy that at all. Parties are expected to do what they set out to do. They followed them (in the highly inadvisable GST cut) because the Liberals were weakened. As I've said all along, the Tories' minority run thus far has been by the grace of a weak and fearful Liberal opposition which has as often as not simply shoved its head in the sand rather than taking a real stand. That situation is about to change radically if the NDP gain the Official Opposition (which I think is clearly going to happen). They won't have a weak and tired opposition, they're going to have a noisy, ambitious opposition. The policies are garbage, Mr. C. Nobody is going to be able to keep their promises. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Posted April 30, 2011 And once again for the kiddies at home, the Senate's abolition is not the prerogative of the Federal Government. It has no unilateral right to do anything of the kind. Again I say we have a referendum see how provinces vote and if the people support it we turf what ever elected official gets in our way. I aint looking to the Federal government I am looking to the people, the real power in Canada. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Harper didn't keep the promises he made in the last election, because of the economic crisis that wasn't going to happen. Circumstances change. So you're claiming some unforeseen circumstances will occur and Layton will become a moderate PM. Won't their voters be upset over this NDP shift to the centre and everything not becoming a gov't program? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Again I say we have a referendum see how provinces vote and if the people support it we turf what ever elected official gets in our way. I aint looking to the Federal government I am looking to the people, the real power in Canada. And I again I tell you that such an irresponsible stunt, without negotiating with the provinces, could lead to disaster. Layton has made his commitment to asymmetric federalism, and what your suggesting would repudiate that. Want a referendum on the Senate, then you have to get all the provinces to agree to abide by the 2/3s-and-50% rule. End of story. Quote
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 So you're claiming some unforeseen circumstances will occur and Layton will become a moderate PM. Won't their voters be upset over this NDP shift to the centre and everything not becoming a gov't program? No. There would be major differences between Layton, and Harper, but government smooths people out, generally. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Posted April 30, 2011 And I again I tell you that such an irresponsible stunt, without negotiating with the provinces, could lead to disaster. Layton has made his commitment to asymmetric federalism, and what your suggesting would repudiate that. Want a referendum on the Senate, then you have to get all the provinces to agree to abide by the 2/3s-and-50% rule. End of story. What stunt. Asking the people their true opinion on an issue which effects them? I wouldn't call that a stunt. Ask the people what they want and if in EVERY province they say they want it gone then their governments shouldn't be so wrong headed to stand in the peoples way. If one provinces doesn't then there we go it is that simple. LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE for once in Canadian history. Quote
ToadBrother Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 What stunt. Asking the people their true opinion on an issue which effects them? I wouldn't call that a stunt. Ask the people what they want and if in EVERY province they say they want it gone then their governments shouldn't be so wrong headed to stand in the peoples way. If one provinces doesn't then there we go it is that simple. LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE for once in Canadian history. They still have to negotiate the referendum with the provinces. I'll wager you were jumping up and down when Harper was trying to do end runs around Parliament's constitutional rights. But you're no better, and possibly much worse, in that you would just as happily trample on Provincial constitutional rights. We are a country of laws, not a mobocracy. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 No. There would be major differences between Layton, and Harper, but government smooths people out, generally. I haveto admit, I am curious to see what a Layton gov't would do. The majority of their caucus would be made of people with no MP or political experience and many of them would be students. I'm not sure I'd trust a group of 18 year olds running the country. You have more faith in todays youth then I do I suppose. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
wyly Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Which they will be anyways, with the way their own provincial government has flushed money down the toilet. ya that they don't see that however, despite the inept conservative governments in alberta there is so much oil money floating around people think they're doing a great job because of all the wealth...but the wealth comes from personal oil patch earnings not anything the government is doing... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I haveto admit, I am curious to see what a Layton gov't would do. I'm very interested. What would they do on drug policy? What would they do on prostitution? What would they do on assisted suicide? What would they do o high speed rail, and transit? What would they do on science and technology? What would they do on medical research? What would they do in terms of immigration? I'm sure they wouldn't address all of these things, but all of them do need to be addressed at some point. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I'm very interested. What would they do on drug policy? What would they do on prostitution? What would they do on assisted suicide? What would they do o high speed rail, and transit? What would they do on science and technology? What would they do on medical research? What would they do in terms of immigration? I'm sure they wouldn't address all of these things, but all of them do need to be addressed at some point. I'm not saying it would be all bad because it wouldn't be. I just don't think raising taxes is the way to go right now. Obviously many people disagree and think that now is a great time to raise our taxes and form bigger gov't. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I'm not saying it would be all bad because it wouldn't be. I just don't think raising taxes is the way to go right now. Neither do I, but in fairness, the changes will do nothing in terms of business. Canada already has relatively low corporate taxes. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Neither do I, but in fairness, the changes will do nothing in terms of business. Canada already has relatively low corporate taxes. Jack wants to raise corporate taxes to about 26% in phases, I believe that will have an impact on business here in Canada. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Jack wants to raise corporate taxes to about 26% in phases, What? Since when? That goes against what he said. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Posted April 30, 2011 Jack wants to raise corporate taxes to about 26% in phases, I believe that will have an impact on business here in Canada. No he doesn't because HE PROMISED not to raise Corp Taxes more then the US and he wants to actually take most of the tax increase to Large corporations and shift it to a tax cut for small business. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 What? Since when? That goes against what he said. Alright I'm not sure about the 26% thing but I know he wants to raise the corporate tax rates but somehow lower them for small and medium sized business or so he says. We cannot trust what he says when stumping you and/or TB were saying. We'll see I guess. It's hard to imagine PM Layton but I guess we all better start getting used to it because it's coming. Buy Vodka shares, it's about to skyrocket with all the cases headed to Ottawa. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Alright I'm not sure about the 26% thing but I know he wants to raise the corporate tax rates but somehow lower them for small Yes. He wants corporate taxes near 20% and small business taxes to eventually be 0%. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Posted April 30, 2011 Yes. He wants corporate taxes near 20% and small business taxes to eventually be 0%. That is the plan as far as I know. Is it a better plan? I think so small business was the only thing that pulled Canada through the recession. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Yes. He wants corporate taxes near 20% and small business taxes to eventually be 0%. That is very foolish. Small business tax to be zero? How many Billions to small business pay in Canada how will this be replaced? By raising taxes to average Canadians I guess. I will become sad that day Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 That is very foolish. Small business tax to be zero? How many Billions to small business pay in Canada how will this be replaced? By raising taxes to average Canadians I guess. I will become sad that day How were the billions in corporate taxes going to be replaced? You didn't seem to show the same concern then. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Author Report Posted April 30, 2011 That is very foolish. Small business tax to be zero? How many Billions to small business pay in Canada how will this be replaced? By raising taxes to average Canadians I guess. I will become sad that day Maybe by all the Jobs it creates. During the recession small business was the only type of business creating jobs. I think in the last three years small business created half of all jobs in the private sector. This drives employment and the economy, this very same plan has worked well in Manitoba, and NS where they cut the small business tax by 3% over 2 years unemployment went down .5%. Quote
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