Saipan Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yeah, he just took money from shady German businessmen. So what that has to do with Canadian taxpayers???? Should Mulroney as private citizen work for free? It's not like Chretien giving taxpayer money to Mugabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 He met Environment Minister staff in Guergis' office. Sam place as Transport Minister aide. No doubt. But does any outisder know that? Thus the reason for the optics. It is for all intents , the optics that are the problem. Yeah. Not surprising that in this one, like the Rahim Jaffer story, the "busty hookers" aspect has been hyped to the hilt. The substance of the charges-- the actual part that was against the law-- is so minor and so boring that there's virtually no story without topless photos of "Leanna VIP" under the headline. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) Yeah. Not surprising that in this one, like the Rahim Jaffer story, the "busty hookers" aspect has been hyped to the hilt. The substance of the charges-- the actual part that was against the law-- is so minor and so boring that there's virtually no story without topless photos of "Leanna VIP" under the headline. -k Indeed, the non existent 'busty hookers' originally came from the yellow journalism of the Star, just like Jaffer, there's not much they can hang on the CPC over Carson as a private citizen. Excellent article here on this, including the foaming at the mouth attack dogs LOL http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2011/03/18/17674471.html It is such a disgusting abuse of process that it has never been used before in Canada's history.If you can get by the foam coming from the mouths of the Liberal-NDP coalition's two attack dogs, respectively MPs David McGuinty and Pat Martin, then May 2 appears to be the day Canadians will be forced to the polls. Ottawa is such a busy place, however, that it is often difficult to keep track of all the side shows. And there are plenty. While McGuinty and Martin were straining at their chains, for example, we had Bruce Carson, a former advisor to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, thinking with the wrong head and allegedly committing what can only be described as, er, premature lobbying. The fact the alleged benefactor of Carson's reported transgression of lobbying within five years of leaving government would have purportedly been his fiancee, a rather hot-looking 22-year-old blonde and one-time Ottawa escort with rave online reviews, only piques the interest. ================================= They are coming across as rabid. If the Conservatives are guilty of anything on the tough-on-crime file, it's for pushing the envelope on its definition of cabinet confidentiality. But it hardly warrants foisting an unwanted election on Canadians through a historic, unprecedented contempt of Parliament declaration based solely on shallow partisan politics. That, in itself, is contemptuous. But it hardly warrants foisting an unwanted election on Canadians through a historic, unprecedented contempt of Parliament declaration based solely on shallow partisan politics. read more Edited March 20, 2011 by scribblet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Yeah. Not surprising that in this one, like the Rahim Jaffer story, the "busty hookers" aspect has been hyped to the hilt. The substance of the charges-- the actual part that was against the law-- is so minor and so boring that there's virtually no story without topless photos of "Leanna VIP" under the headline. -k WOW Just Wow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Indeed, the non existent 'busty hookers' originally came from the yellow journalism of the Star, just like Jaffer, there's not much they can hang on the CPC over Carson as a private citizen. Excellent article here on this, including the foaming at the mouth attack dogs LOL http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/editorial/2011/03/18/17674471.html read more I think he is going to jail. Fill up those prisons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 WOW Just Wow... ORLY? Why don't you articulate the substance of the case, as you understand it? I think he is going to jail. Fill up those prisons. And for bonus points, explain what you think has happened that could lead to jail time. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 ORLY? Why don't you articulate the substance of the case, as you understand it? Its rediculous to defend a convicted Fraud artist who has been embedded with the Conservatives for Decades, when he sets up a skimming scheme that diverts monies to an Escort in order to skirt various lobbying rules. This dirty laundry is not something you want to hang up on the line. Some Conservatives have great difficulty understanding ethics and ethical behaviour. I think you are grasping at straws defending this convicted fellon. And for bonus points, explain what you think has happened that could lead to jail time. -k I thought the Conservatives were getting tough on crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) at least he has good taste in escorts... it's amazing what money can buy an ugly old fart, and he probably thinks she loves him for his personality Edited March 22, 2011 by wyly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 No one is supporting Carson's allegedly fraudulent activities which happened while he is a private citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Its rediculous to defend a convicted Fraud artist It's not a crime to be a convicted criminal. who has been embedded with the Conservatives for Decades, It's not a crime to hire a convicted criminal, either. when he sets up a skimming scheme that diverts monies to an Escort It's not a crime for an executive to take a commission of the gross proceeds of a transaction, or for a private company to disburse the proceeds of a sale as they see fit. in order to skirt various lobbying rules. That's the entirety of the allegations against Bruce Carson: he may have breached lobbying rules by meeting with DIA employees before the "cooling off period" had expired. The rest of it-- the escort, the 1980s-- is irrelevant. This dirty laundry is not something you want to hang up on the line. Some Conservatives have great difficulty understanding ethics and ethical behaviour. I think you are grasping at straws defending this convicted fellon. What does it matter that he's a convicted felon? We can't keep people in jail forever, and we often don't put them in jail at all when they're convicted. Are people who've been convicted of crimes supposed to become pariahs that should not be hired afterward? I thought the Conservatives were getting tough on crime? I thought lefties were big on rehabilitation and forgiveness. There is no jail time for breaking lobbying rules, so you're out of luck on that front. By the way, the rule Carson is accused of breaking-- working as a lobbyist within 5 years of leaving the government-- is a rule that the Conservatives introduced in 2006. Before the Conservatives were in office, what Bruce Carson is accused of wouldn't have been against the rules. -k Edited March 23, 2011 by kimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 It's not a crime to be a convicted criminal. ---- It's not a crime to hire a convicted criminal, either. Actually, I wondered if he applied for and received a pardon. It's discrimination to refuse employment to an applicant on the basis of criminal conviction if the individual has received a pardon for said conviction. The Canadian Human Rights Act forbids discrimination based on a pardoned conviction. This includes services a person needs or the opportunity to work for a federal agency. The CRA states that no employment application form within the federal public service may ask any question that would require an applicant to disclose a pardoned conviction. This also applies to a Crown corporation, the Canadian Forces, or any business within the federal authority. http://www.pbc-clcc.gc.ca/infocntr/factsh/pardon-eng.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Actually, I wondered if he applied for and received a pardon. It's discrimination to refuse employment to an applicant on the basis of criminal conviction if the individual has received a pardon for said conviction. Why would that even matter? I can imagine that there are some jobs where having a criminal record might disqualify you, but why would working as a political advisor be among them? It sounds more like work-experience to me. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 It sounds more like work-experience to me. -k I hear ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 I thought lefties were big on rehabilitation and forgiveness.From personal experience with some very cruel "flower children" in my college days, not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 at least he has good taste in escorts... it's amazing what money can buy an ugly old fart, and he probably thinks she loves him for his personality Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) No one is supporting Carson's allegedly fraudulent activities which happened while he is a private citizen. No kidding. Thats cause he got caught! The story was going to break the news. CUT BAIT CUT BAIT... And I believe Kimmy is defending these actions as a non event. Yeah. Not surprising that in this one, like the Rahim Jaffer story, the "busty hookers" aspect has been hyped to the hilt. The substance of the charges-- the actual part that was against the law-- is so minor and so boring that there's virtually no story without topless photos of "Leanna VIP" under the headline. And where is Helena now??? Edited March 23, 2011 by madmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 It's not a crime to be a convicted criminal. Yes, Harpers Close adviser and fixer was a convicted Fellon. It's not a crime to hire a convicted criminal, either. Many Conservative MPs want these Convicts to remain in jail. (If they aren't working for the Conservative Party). Excuses can be made for some.It's not a crime for an executive to take a commission of the gross proceeds of a transaction, or for a private company to disburse the proceeds of a sale as they see fit. Actually, its very likely this convicted fellon with a history of violating the law and defrauding clients is going to get burned for cooking up a scam. That's the entirety of the allegations against Bruce Carson: he may have breached lobbying rules by meeting with DIA employees before the "cooling off period" had expired. The rest of it-- the escort, the 1980s-- is irrelevant. What does it matter that he's a convicted felon? We can't keep people in jail forever, and we often don't put them in jail at all when they're convicted. Are people who've been convicted of crimes supposed to become pariahs that should not be hired afterward? Sure u can, and you are going to have to in order fill up your prisons. Ask Saipan who has been advocating just that with his beloved Conservative Government. I thought lefties were big on rehabilitation and forgiveness. There is no jail time for breaking lobbying rules, so you're out of luck on that front. -k Harper Can appoint Carson and his prostitute to the Senate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted March 23, 2011 Report Share Posted March 23, 2011 Actually, its very likely this convicted fellon with a history of violating the law and defrauding clients is going to get burned for cooking up a scam. Really?! Can you elaborate on that? (I'm betting you can't. You've done an admirable job of proving that you don't have a clue what is going on here.) -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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