M.Dancer Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 They'd never vote Mulclair into leadership, he's a Jew and we know how the NDP feel about the Jews. Citation for this fact filled post. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
William Ashley Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) If there is one leader who will definitly be gone after this election it's Jack Layton, his health isn't great, he's not young, he's been leader a long time and now it seems he will be facing pressure within the party to leave. I don't know a whole lot about the NDP but I'm wondering who others think will be the next leader or who will run for the position. Right now it seems as though Thomas Mulcair would be the front-runner. I don't know a whole lot about him so I don't know where he stands on policy issues or what the caucus thinks of him but he seems popular and being a Quebecker I would think would help the NDP in his province. So is Mulcair the next leader of the party? Would he be able to easily sweep the race? Or will he even get re-elected in the next elecion? His wife is in parliament too, he doesn't need to leave for family time. I don't see it. Its not terminal as far as I'm aware - doesn't everyone die eventually - Layton probably has a few more years in him atleast.. Strahl has survived like tons of years (like 6) with Terminal cancer... Layton is a popular leader (supposed) I don't see him leaving any time soon. Edited March 15, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Evening Star Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 The NDP used to be the voice of farmers and blue-collar workers, not politically-correct tree-huggers. Maybe they'd do better if they remembered their roots and chose a leader accordingly. -k Kimmy, would you vote for them anyway? Even at the height of Ontario's manufacturing sector, the NDP could never really dominate the industrial heartland. What more do you think they'd gain by chasing a disappearing sector today, say, by picking someone like Pat Martin as leader? They'd probably turn me into a Liberal voter for one. Besides, in any case, how much time does Layton spend talking about e.g. transgendered rights compared to pensions or home heating taxes or even Internet billing? Amir Khadr and Megan Leslie are both intriguing suggestions. Quote
Topaz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 The opposition pushed for the auto bail outs and they pushed for even MORE stimulus spending. Go back and read guys. Funny how selective the left wing memory is. The left pushed for both of these things everyday during question period and in the media. The NDP praises Hamas and Hezbollah and boos Israel offending Jewish people in Canada including Mulclair who spoke out about it. More selective memory. That's not true. Harper has singled out the Israel among others and a PM should not show bias for any group. Harper has gotten awards(for lack a better word?) from the Jewish comminity so he's going to protect them. It wasn't MORE stimlus spending it was getting OUT and spending it to help create jobs. Quote
Posc Student Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Posted March 15, 2011 Nice to see everyone is staying on topic. His wife is in parliament too, he doesn't need to leave for family time. I don't see it. Its not terminal as far as I'm aware - doesn't everyone die eventually - Layton probably has a few more years in him atleast.. Strahl has survived like tons of years (like 6) with Terminal cancer... Layton is a popular leader (supposed) I don't see him leaving any time soon. He's had cancer, he just had hip surgery, he's nearly 61 years old, there's a likely chance the party will lose seats in the election and unlike some parties they have people who are mentioned as likely successors. Layton has been leader since 2003 and could retire with a good pension. I don't see why he'd be putting himself through all this when there's no need. Quote
fellowtraveller Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Pat Martin is a very strong candidate. Not because of anything he says and does, but he has a strong power base in the epicentre of NDP support- Manitoba. He is old school, and the NDP mainstream has long denied any move to the centre. People like Mulcair represent a risk at a time when the party cannot afford any loss. Laytons future depends on the party performance in the next federal election, not his health. He has increased seat count, but if that stalls he will be gone. The NDP have had an unprecedented opportunity to bury the Liberals and take away their seats in the last five years and have not apparently done so given their eternal 15% polling results. That is why Layton won't be pushing for an election now, he knows he and the Party are not going to do too well. It may well be that he votes to turf the Tories, but only if he is certain the Liberals are in even worse shape and don't want an eelction, and both of those things are already in place. Quote The government should do something.
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Pat Martin is a very strong candidate. Not because of anything he says and does, but he has a strong power base in the epicentre of NDP support- Manitoba. He is old school, and the NDP mainstream has long denied any move to the centre. People like Mulcair represent a risk at a time when the party cannot afford any loss. Laytons future depends on the party performance in the next federal election, not his health. He has increased seat count, but if that stalls he will be gone. The NDP have had an unprecedented opportunity to bury the Liberals and take away their seats in the last five years and have not apparently done so given their eternal 15% polling results. That is why Layton won't be pushing for an election now, he knows he and the Party are not going to do too well. It may well be that he votes to turf the Tories, but only if he is certain the Liberals are in even worse shape and don't want an eelction, and both of those things are already in place. Funny you should mention Pat Martin, I just got his "freemark" mailout from our downtown P.O. Box... #1 item - Abolishing the Senate - Hit both Tories and Grits with one stone - typical... #2 item - Corporate Tax Cuts - not bad... #3 item - New Democrats Support Seniors - pure voter hype and mailing (election) list with a mail back to "increase pensions and end seniors' poverty NOW!" ... #4 item - Movember Fundraiser - self promo as a participant in the Movember fundraiser that thousands of Canadian men took part in to raise funds to fight prostate cancer... #5 item - West Block Construction - Pat with Mike Holmes & Mark Critch of "22 minutes", self promo... #6 item - Parliamentary Press Gallery Award - self promo... Since we only pick up the mail from our P.O. Box sporatically I don't know precicely when it came... But it's NOT "election stuff" which it would be if the NDP were about to force an election... Although Pat Martin doesn't need to do much on the election front to be elected, so it's not all that telling either... We'll see what happens soon enough... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 If NDP changed leaders like underwear nothing of substance will really happen. They are the party of the 60's. Kinda like the Conservatives.... Quote
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Libby Davies will be next leader, she's anti Semitic enough. They'd never vote Mulclair into leadership, he's a Jew and we know how the NDP feel about the Jews. Have the Conservatives or Liberals ever elected a Jewish Leader? The NDP have had Jewish Leaders. Quote
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 The NDP used to be the voice of farmers and blue-collar workers, not politically-correct tree-huggers. Maybe they'd do better if they remembered their roots and chose a leader accordingly. -k The Farmers have long gone from being the masses to being a very very very small % of the population. When 30% of the workforce was farming, the CCF/NDP represented that voice. Today Farming is corporate and the number of individual farmers is few and far between in the big scheme of things. Thus corporate farms and part time farmers/hobby farmers are looking for short term gains. The Blue Collar worker would be well served by the NDP. Blue Collar workers don't vote in the numbers that they used to and the wages of blue collar workers drop faster then u can say FreeMarket. Many Blue Collar workers are self interested at this point. Its not until they are negatively affected do they change their tune from voting Conservative or Liberal. By then its too late. There is not party that represents the interest of blue collar workers, but the NDP is the best of the lot. As for Leadership. From What the numbers tell, Jack Layton is often the most popular leader. Not in Broadbent Numbers, but then all of our Federal Leaders are pretty lame. So again, the best of a bad lot, and Layton has brought the NDP from some 13 seats to 39 seats and has landed more seats in Ontario then even Broadbent. I don't see the Cons or the Libs representing any roots. Quote
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Where does this leave the NDP? Well, if they're lucky, forever at 15-20% support, at best. Because even if society moves soon in a leftwards direction--which is my prediction, incidentally--I think the Liberals and Conservatives will both shift leftwards and gobble up the slack. Well said Quote
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 From my point of view the entire Harper "strategy" is screw the "left" by a method of divide and conquer (NDP vs Liberals) which works out perfectly because the NDP fall for it every TIME... .....proof it's working here on MLW and the way the "media" up-plays Layton and the NDP in the news over Ignatieff and the Liberals proves it in "general public" terms... Nonsense. Iggy is to the Far right and often further to the Right then Harper. This happens when you live 30 years outside of Canada. You want to drum up fear. .... Maybe its Iggy who has to go. Quote
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Citation for this fact filled post. There u go again.... Quote
GWiz Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Nonsense. Iggy is to the Far right and often further to the Right then Harper. This happens when you live 30 years outside of Canada. You want to drum up fear. .... Maybe its Iggy who has to go. There's room to the RIGHT of Harper? Does he know? How would "Iggy" get by Harper to get there even if he wanted to? Got anything to substantiate this fantastic claim? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 He's hads prostate cancer, he just had hip surgery, he's nearly 61 years old, there's a likely chance the party will lose ( or gain seats ) in the election and unlike some parties they have people who are mentioned as likely successors. Layton has been leader since 2003 and could retire with a good pension. I don't see why he'd be putting himself through all this when there's no need. Then u have little understanding of what its like to be a New Democrat. You don't join the NDP for Fame and GLory. Its hard work. Its about doing the right thing and putting up with alot of misguided shit from the Media and pundits and hacks. Its about doing this as the 4th party. None of this is different then the same shit that Stephen Harper has to put up with. But people expect the #1 and #2 parties to be the tweedle dee and tweedle dum of federal politics. There is something different that makes one fight uphill in the 4th party. Fact is Jack will leave on his own terms and not Tim Powers nor some other tory hacks comments or spinning. My Guess is Jack will do what he always does. Take the party up another notch when everyone else tells him it can't be done. I put the NDP anywheres from 27 to 50 seats in the next election depending on how the campaign goes. None of those factors would make any bearing on whether jack chooses to retire or not. I don't see it, he has way to much fight and is a solid campaigner. But one day everyone will have to hang up the gloves. My Guess is if the Cons go down, So does Harper. Quote
madmax Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 There's room to the RIGHT of Harper? Does he know? How would "Iggy" get by Harper to get there even if he wanted to? Got anything to substantiate this fantastic claim? Not even Harper was an Apologist for torture, or torture light. Quote
GWiz Posted March 16, 2011 Report Posted March 16, 2011 Not even Harper was an Apologist for torture, or torture light. Huh? I guess that means you got nothing... Thanks anyway... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Evening Star Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff#The_Lesser_Evil_approach Quote
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ignatieff#The_Lesser_Evil_approach Interesting read... Thanks... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
punked Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Interesting read... Thanks... He wrote a whole book on that. He also wrote an article in 2000 on how the solution to the "Israel" situation is to drop a whole bunch of Americans with guns into the country and force a two state solution at gun point. I think the Cons are holding on to that one for the campaign though there are a few riddings in Canada I think they can swing when that one comes out. Quote
betsy Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 It'll be Mulcair. He's having all these exposures, and the media jokes about Layton worrying what Mulcair is up to. Quote
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 It'll be Mulcair. He's having all these exposures, and the media jokes about Layton worrying what Mulcair is up to. Awww darn... I was pulling for our guy Martin... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
August1991 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) From my point of view the entire Harper "strategy" is screw the "left" by a method of divide and conquer (NDP vs Liberals) which works out perfectly because the NDP fall for it every TIME... Divide and conquer?Since I was a naive 20 something, it has always been a source of amazement to me that Leftists prone a State-Organized, One Size Fits All, Economies of Scale, Democratic State - and yet these Leftists cannot get along. Leftists always argue with one another. They are never united. Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Marxists, Maoists, Soviet, Red Chinese, Rabble, Babble, Waffle, NDP, Liberal... And yet, these leftists want to centralize power and remove individual choice. Oh, the irony! Edited March 17, 2011 by August1991 Quote
Bryan Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Harper is FAR RIGHT to the point of extremism... I don't think people advocating from the left side understand just how wrong they are about this. Quote
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 He wrote a whole book on that. He also wrote an article in 2000 on how the solution to the "Israel" situation is to drop a whole bunch of Americans with guns into the country and force a two state solution at gun point. I think the Cons are holding on to that one for the campaign though there are a few riddings in Canada I think they can swing when that one comes out. Seems to me that there are quite a few votes to be had from extolling Harper being in bed with the Israelis, no questions asked, too... Echoing Americans, like Harper is, and not having an independent position in regards to issues like Israel/Palestine doesn't sound like a winning issue to me... Maybe it's Ignatieff holding on to that vote issue since he's certainly ahead on the Christian vote after Harper's trashing of KAIROS... Over all, it sounds like there's a few things that an election may expose, but probably more about the Harper Regime than the man Ignatieff is... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
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