Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 I am trying to have an honest discussion on the origins of Islam and how it relates to todays world. You guys seem to be interested in strawman, moving goal posts and personal attacks instead. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 So far just silly attacks on me. Try disputing the bulk of my post. No attack on you. I stopped at the first line of illogic that I found and cut it off there. I left you your first line - go ahead and prove it, then we can move on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Bonam Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 You can't prove that. I have tried to get others to prove it here and all I get back is posts of atrocities that have taken place here or there: that is anecdotal. If you could prove it, you still wouldn't be able to prove that the religion does this, versus other factors such as the part of the world where they're from, the endemic war, poverty and so no. Sorry, but far better than you on this board have tried and failed, utterly. What would you consider proof of such a claim? Quote
eyeball Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 I am trying to have an honest discussion on the origins of Islam and how it relates to todays world. You guys seem to be interested in strawman, moving goal posts and personal attacks instead. You said it's important to know the difference when discussing whether Islam is truly a religion of peace or not. So, people started comparing the difference between Islam and other so-called religions of peace and guess what, it relates to the world in virtually identical fashion as the strawgod, for the same very same reason apparently. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 What would you consider proof of such a claim? That Muslims murder more than other religions ? That itself is almost unprovable, but a random sample of people who follow each religion and the relative murder rates would do. Then we would go to the next step. But... why ? Are we proposing that following a religion in itself causes someone to be a murderer, all other things being equal ? Seems pretty unlikely doesn't it ? It's more likely that people want to put a cultural lens on the world so that they can ascribe traits to certain groups. It's easy to do too. Pick an abhorrent behavior, that aligns with some group and start drawing parallels. How many Muslim serial killers have there been in Canada ? How many white males ? They used to play these games with genetics, and today it seems like it's done with holy books which somehow hypnotize their adherents into doing evil. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) No attack on you. I stopped at the first line of illogic that I found and cut it off there. I left you your first line - go ahead and prove it, then we can move on. Ok I'll start a new thread without that line in it. Everyone is so afraid to be critical of Islam it's hilarious. I'm going to cut and paste all my posts and delete them from this thread and start a new one. BTW my first post of this thread didnt contain that line so I dunno what you're talking about. Anyway delete this thread new one going up. Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Ok I'll start a new thread without that line in it. Everyone is so afraid to be critical of Islam it's hilarious. Not so fast. You said something and it's still out there. Are you retracting it ? Then you add "Everyone is so afraid..." No evidence ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Not so fast. You said something and it's still out there. Are you retracting it ? Then you add "Everyone is so afraid..." No evidence ? You must be afraid. You're more interested in how I form my sentences then the real premise of the thread was. Michael, you're playing games. What other religious fundamentalists are flying planes into buildings? What other religious fundamentalists is blowing up airports, metro tubes and buses? What other religious fundamentalists are kidnapping people and beheading them? Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 You must be afraid. You're more interested in how I form my sentences then the real premise of the thread was. Michael, you're playing games. Not at all. You say things without backing them up, then when challenged you move on like you never said them in the first place. That's like challenging for a fight and running away, then repeating. You come on here and post whatever comes into your head, it seems. If you want respect as a debater, why don't you consider what you write a little more ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 Not at all. You say things without backing them up, then when challenged you move on like you never said them in the first place. That's like challenging for a fight and running away, then repeating. You come on here and post whatever comes into your head, it seems. If you want respect as a debater, why don't you consider what you write a little more ? Answer my questions Michael. But you won't. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Answer my questions Michael. But you won't. You first: "Muslims today are more violent then any other religion." Prove it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) You first: "Muslims today are more violent then any other religion." Prove it. I cannot no one can. Next? Alls I can say is watch the news? Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 I cannot no one can. Next? Then why do you say it ? Why do you think it's true ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Then why do you say it ? Why do you think it's true ? Because it's alarmist. I like to stir it up. You cannot tell? I do think it's true but I cannot prove it. The Toronto Star didn't do a study yet afaik. Muslims are the only ones I see blowing up innocent people day after day. Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Because it's alarmist. I like to stir it up. You cannot tell? I do think it's true but I cannot prove it. The Toronto Star didn't do a study yet afaik. Muslims are the only ones I see blowing up innocent people day after day. Yes, there are Muslim terrorists. There are also atrocities in other poor and desperate parts of the world. That's more of a pattern that I can see. Africa ? Haiti ? There are bad places where bad things happen. Venting and stirring things up doesn't lead anywhere - it just gets you the same kind of rebukes everybody here throws at you. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 Yes, there are Muslim terrorists. There are also atrocities in other poor and desperate parts of the world. That's more of a pattern that I can see. Africa ? Haiti ? There are bad places where bad things happen. Venting and stirring things up doesn't lead anywhere - it just gets you the same kind of rebukes everybody here throws at you. I'll be having the last laugh when these radical Muslims blow up something in Canada and they will. They've already got caught twice recently for trying to do it. You think they'll just give up now? Radical Islam is on the rise in Canada and around the world. And no one wants to do anything about it except let them take over. Canada's turn is coming, I'm sure the apologists will come running to their aid at that point as well. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 I'll be having the last laugh when these radical Muslims blow up something in Canada and they will. Really ? That will make you laugh ? Strange. You're just posting these things because of some internal conflict within yourself, I'm convinced. These posts are just what you put out when you're in one of those moods. It's not interesting. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 I'll be having the last laugh when these radical Muslims blow up something in Canada and they will.Reported to the RCMP. Quote
scribblet Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Reported to the RCMP. What is reported to the RCMP ? Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
GostHacked Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Mr. Canada, you'd be wanting to watch a series called 'The Power of Nightmares', by Adam Curtis. It will totaly support your views. Also what has been seen, cannot be UNSEEN. No way to delete anything here. If you believe in your views so solidly, why delete the title of the thread? Have you been bested yet again? Edited March 12, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Reported to the RCMP. Cybercoma is the thought police now I guess. What law have I broken? I'm sure they'll be busting down my door soon then. I'm only stating a fact. Radical Muslims have tried to kill Canadians before(Toronto 18) you don't think they'll try again? Meanwhile the left insists that all Muslims are good people and that Radical Islam in Canada is right wing pipe dream. The left insists we do nothing because to speak against Islam is hate speech. Political correctness gone awry. Edited March 12, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
GostHacked Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Cybercoma is the thought police now I guess. What law have I broken? I'm sure they'll be busting down my door soon then. I'm only stating a fact. Radical Muslims have tried to kill Canadians before(Toronto 18) you don't think they'll try again? Meanwhile the left insists that all Muslims are good people and that Radical Islam in Canada is right wing pipe dream. The left insists we do nothing because to speak against Islam is hate speech. Political correctness gone awry. The Toronto 18 were caught, and dealt with, looks like our system is working to prosecute criminals. That also shows the intelligence agencies are doing their job as well. Not worried. Quote
Bitsy Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 I'll be having the last laugh when these radical Muslims blow up something in Canada and they will. Rejoicing in tragedy is mindless malevolence unbecoming to one who professes to be a Christian. Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Meanwhile the left insists that all Muslims are good people Nobody here has said that (...) and that Radical Islam in Canada is right wing pipe dream. Nobody here has said that. The left insists we do nothing Nobody here has said that. Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Rejoicing in tragedy is mindless malevolence unbecoming to one who professes to be a Christian. Don't worry, he will back track on this one... like the time he was arguing that Muslims and Jews killing each other would be a good thing for Christiannity. Quote
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