Mayor Ford to nix Pride Funding!

[Oleg Bach]

Looks like the kids have created a little secret room within this Mayor Ford thread. They are up to some mischief and figure they can get away with it hiding behind a title that has nothing to do with what they are ranting about...maybe a new topic...Rue Vs. Bloodyminded....and the topic could be called.....lets leave that to the invading couple that are doing the Nazi Jewish dance..so boring - tired of all this stuff - Maybe some suggestion on how to bring peace to the middle east? Something new from these two fresh young minds!

[bloodyminded]

Looks like the kids have created a little secret room within this Mayor Ford thread. They are up to some mischief and figure they can get away with it hiding behind a title that has nothing to do with what they are ranting about...maybe a new topic...Rue Vs. Bloodyminded....and the topic could be called.....lets leave that to the invading couple that are doing the Nazi Jewish dance..so boring - tired of all this stuff - Maybe some suggestion on how to bring peace to the middle east? Something new from these two fresh young minds!

Just turn the channel, my man...and it's gone from view!

[Oleg Bach]

Just turn the channel, my man...and it's gone from view!

I channel surf and am bound to come into view on the rotation.

[Tilter]

Oh Shwa you stated:

"I actually couldn't care less about Cherry's remarks per se..."

Of course you do. You keep raising them as a basis to justify including the QUIAA in the gay pride rally.

You stated:

"but you admit they were partisan and the "platform" for him to express his "personal political views" was paid for by the City of Toronto funded, in part, by it's citizens."

Lol what I said is his off colour jokes were politically partisan in nature yes. I didn't admit it. His words speak for themselves. I don't have to admit anything. I am only referring to his words. What I also stated is he was nto paid for his appearance and yes if you want to equivalate his words and behaviour at the swearing in ceremony with the QUIAA shaking their anti zionist booty at gay pride, then all power to you.

You state again

"The Mayoral Swearing in Ceremony is a cultural event by any other name. Call it a political event or a social event, they are all cultural events. The 'word' ceremony should have clued you in.

Uh no. Shwa stop pushing yourself out on such a tangent. You'll get a hernia. Don't be absurd. don't suggest because something is a ceremony its not political. Also you might want to be a tad more attentive at the actual issue I was debating. I was not debating the gay pride day or mayor ceremony. What I was debating was the decision for the gay pride event planners to allow the QUIAA with an agenda that has nothing to do with being gay taint the gay pride event. The QUIAA agenda is about raving and ranting about all Jews or anyone else who supports the right of Israel to exist-period. Nothing to do with celebrating gay culture. Spin all you want that the mayor's swearing in ceremony is not political or or the gay parade was intended to be political. Spin spin spin. It doesn't change the fact that the QUIAA is a negative, narrow, hate mongering group whose message is to incite violence and hatred against anyone who supports the right of Israel to exist.

Now you said in regards to Don Cherry's comments:

"Actually I got a kick out of his comments, they were funny. There is no trauma."

Sounds like you are still in denial. Don't worry the skin rash will clear and your hair will grow back. Look you are in good company. Many people find Don offensive. Be my guest.

You stated:

"The only reason I used Cherry's remarks is to point out the gross inconsistency with your have-it-both-ways type of argument."

No the reason you used it is because you are trying to twist what I actually stated and to argue that since Don Cherry said what he said the QUIAA should be able to do what they did at the gay pride rally. What I stated is if you not I want to push that envelope and equate them as the same and then argue one justifies the other, go ahead.

But don't try suggest I have said one is politically partisan and the other is not. I never said that. What I did say is that for you to try push that comparison borders on absurdity. Don Cherry never told anyone pinkos don't have the right to exist nor does he champion genocide of bicycle riders, pinkos or tree huggers.

To compare his comments to those of QUIAA and say they are of equivalent moral meaning is hilarious.

Go ahead. Push. A man makes a pinko comment for a cheap laugh and you compare that with the QUIAA which calls for violence to rid the state of Israel of its existence?

Lol. Uh yah. Don Cherry at the Mayor's inaugral is just like the QUIAA and the gay pride parade. Uh yah.

Lol.

You stated:

"my quibble is with the strict idea that the City should not fund events where individuals are provided platforms to express their personal political views. Of course the City does this all the time at all kinds of events, paid for by it's citizens. I am just using Don Cherry's remarks as an example."

Give other examples. The one of Don Cherry with due respect is a tad absurd. Give another. While you are at it explain how Don Cherry's appearance has now set a precedent that the city must continue to fund anyone who wants to have a political demonstration.

Do continue with that reasoning.

Oh but wait...do I hear more words from you...

"No, I am saying that "the City" funds plenty of events - and always has - that provide platforms for individuals to express their personal political views. "

Yes that's the second time you stated it with no examples. Do explain the "plenty of events". I need to know. I am sure Torontonians would like to know as well. Have you told Mr. Ford?

You stated:

"I could care less about Don Cherry or some anti-Zionist group."

Of course you do. Don has upset you with his tree hugger and pink comments. Are you denying you hugged a tree? Oh come out of the closet Shwa. Plenty of people hug trees. I do. I am proud to hug trees. Hear me loud and clear-I love trees! As for the QUIAA you responded because you agree with their anti Zionist views. The feigning of no

interest is silly. Stop that. Its like pretending you don't like trees and hug them or have the hots for Olivia Chow and Jack Layton. Come clean. You want to be their friend and protest at rallies with them.

You stated:

"If you are OK with one having the platform then don't whine when another takes advantage of the opportunity."

Nice attempt at restatement of something I did not say. What I said is the off colour jokes of Don Cherry being used by you to try argue two wrongs make a right and because Don Cherry said something you consider politically partisan the QUIAA should be allowed as well-is your words. I never stated that Don Cherry could do something the QUIAA can't.

In fact I made it quite clear there would be a contradiction if we allowed one and not the other using your arguement.

What I did state is I consider Don Cherry's questionable humour a tad different in nature than the QUIAA's but I did concede for consistency in the arguement, neither is appropriate.

The difference for me personally though is I know the difference between someone making a couple of gag comments for laughs with a group that calls for violence and terrorist tactics. If you want to equate Don Cherry with preaching all pinkoes and tree huggers should be wiped out and is equally offensive and morally questionable as the QUIAA gof or it. Just stop trying to be absurd and put words in my mouth to suggest I have created a double standard.

I have not. The attempt to jsutofy the QUIAA at gay pride with Don Cherry at the mayor inaugral is with due respect a pretty lame arguement to suggest the city must now fund events for anyone who wants to use those events to have a political tantrum. By all means petition Mr. Ford and say-no more Don Cherry at any future mayoral events.

Be my guest. Better still tell that pinko station CBC to not use him anymore.

Shwa, smile before I send you a picture of Olivia Chow nude. Then you will have real trauma. You should see what she has done with the NDP logo.

You stated:

"No, it would be better to make people aware that at public events, people will be public with their views."

Oh and you speak on behalf of tax-payers now do you. Toronto tax payers have nothing better to do then fund QUIAA tantrums? Really now. That's interesting. Heaven forbid the money should be used for other things.

You stated:

"..Has nothing to do with partisanship and everything to do with a freedom of expression.."

Neither. The issue has everything to do with what the city should fund. You completely missed the point. No one is saying either Don Cherry or QUIAA should not express their views. The issue is whether the city should fund events for people to vent their politically partisan views. Shwa, you might want to stick with the issue. No one is saying the QUIAA can't march down the street in their thongs screaming at Israel-what I am arguing is the city's taxpayers should not have to pay for it.

You stated:

"which both Don Cherry and the anti-Zionist group did at events funded, in part, by the City of Toronto. "

Yes you keep repeating that as if 2 wrongs will make a right? Indeed you have beaten that one to death. Yes they were both in your mind equivalent in political exercise. If they were it still would not etablish they should be funded by the city, just that they are political in nature.

You stated:

"So you are admitting you are all for limits to freedom of expression in Canada now because it offends your sensibilities? "

No and your attempt to try mistate what I said is silly. At no time have I said censor people because I disagree with them. You and Black Dog really have tried to go far with that one but it just won't stick. I have repeated now 2zillion kabillion times the QUIAA does not offend me nor does Don Cherry. Don Cherry I find funny the QUIAA I find

to be annyong gnats, but neither offends me. Please don't presume to know what offends me. My contention all along is whether they should be funded by the city and whether people at the gay parade who come out expecting a non partisan event find the QUIAA annoying gnats.

In fact the only thing that offends me is Rita MacNeil if she wanted to parade naked in Toronto. Probably Celine Dion or Anne Murray too.

You stated:

"Not me, I say allow the Don Cherry's and the anti-Zionist group their platforms, speak, be heard and be evaluated on what they have to say."

Yes Shwa that's nice. But you missed the point. The point is not whether they be allowed to speak. This is a free country. Of course they can speak. The question is, does the city need to fund events so they can have platforms to vent their political views.

Oh look you stated again:

"There was no trauma for me.."

Say now that is the second time you mentioned it. Clearly the trauma is deep and you are asking me for help. Again all I can say is come out of the closet and admit you hug trees. I have and I feel better for it. I especially love

pine trees. Love the smell of all fur trees. I also like berch, poplar, maple, oak, lilac, spruce. don't get me going about blueberry bushes.

Now you suggested I am traumatized by the QUIAA as you stated:

"...but there appears to be some with you from this anti-Zionist group."

Trauma no. Now mind you in the past certain men with big flaby cheeks wearing thongs did scare me a bit. Also I was

very upset with this beautiful dyke who I know I would never ever be able to have carnal knowledge with. Now nothing is a bigger trauma then a hot dyke when you are a guy. Its bad man. I am still in trauma over Jody Foster from years ago and now Michelle Rodriquez.

You stated:

"Of course it never dawned on you that even the most partisan political event could be "purely cultural" in the same way that partisan Catholics and partisan Protestants are still "purely religious."

No idea what the point is you were trying to make above but I can say it dawned on me that the QUIAA trying to turn gay pride into an opportunity to incite people to cry out they want Israel wiped out was a tad inappropriate since not just gay faux hags like me but boring straights and gays (that's what Black Doggy calls me)also found it unwelcome and poisoning to what was otherwise supposed to be a time to enjoy inclusiveness not single out for hatred people who support Israel's right to exist.

You stated:

"So, now you are stating that others should adhere to your personal sensibilities when it comes to expressing their views?"

Oh really? Can you reproduce the words where I stated the above? Lol. Shwa trying to mistate what I said won't change what I said.

You said:

"Trendy leftist??

LOFL! "

Do you deny you have loafers? Do you deny having anything stylish? Are you suggesting thou votes for Bubbly Bob Ford? Lol. Now Shwa.

Finally you stated:

"You need to get out in the fresh air a little more Rue."

Lol I do. Then I made the mistake of being downwind from the QUIAA.

p.s. you have to love the irony that "Shwa" can be used to refer to an unstressed and toneless neutral vowel sound in some languages

p.s.s. Rue is short for rude

Gee can we get some more word diarrhea on here?

[Oleg Bach]

Gee can we get some more word diarrhea on here?

Coming right up sir - I will put some in the microwave and serve it up....it's left overs though. Much like the rehashed and re-digested crap here...."a dog always returns to it's vomit" - never quite learns.

[Rue]

Gee can we get some more word diarrhea on here?

Tee hee. So why read it then? Were you forced? Another genius come to share that his brain has a 2 second attention span.

Go back to your little sound bites. I know the world for you can't exist past 10 seconds.

[Rue]

Just admit you were lying, and move on.

Everybody already knows it anyway.

Everybody? I have news for you. Other than you, Shwa, Black Dog, Tinker Bell, Oleg and myself, no one reads this or gives a rat's ass-so get off your narcissistic self inflated toilet seat and go back to work.

Everyone. Right you champion the world in its battle against me.

[Oleg Bach]

Everybody? I have news for you. Other than you, Shwa, Black Dog, Tinker Bell, Oleg and myself, no one reads this or gives a rat's ass-so get off your narcissistic self inflated toilet seat and go back to work.

Everyone. Right you champion the world in its battle against me.

Rue this is not a game of Dungeons and Dragons - relax and stop being emotional--- I don't read anything over one paragraph...Rue don't let them jerk your chain like you are a barking dog - hold your ground and react with wisdom - keep it short and concise.

[Rue]

You don't get it.

By Rue's formulation, anything critical of Israel or supportive of Palestine is ipso facto calling for the destruction of Israel as a state and the eradication of Jews.

It doesn't make a lick of sense to anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty or something other than bog water for brains, but for Rue it's a perfectly reasonable formulation, which should tell you all you need to know.

Oh look here comes Black Dog to the rescue. Now you see when we dismantle Israel and march up and down screaming fist by fist blow by blow, his boom bah Israel must go, its all just innocent fun you know. Its not a call to violence.

Yah we know the game Black Dog and the couched references. Its tiresome to trot out that naive, what QUIAA advocate terrorism line. You want to prance about with innocent glee pretending they only want an end to Zionist Israel and not Jews, jerk yourself silly. Some of us have been at their meetings and no who is in their group and what they say when they are not on the web site.

Right I know. They only have an issue with Zionist Jews and fundamentalist Jews and Israeli Jews not Jew Jews. You know, the ones that hate Israel and support the "struggle" of "liberation groups".

Black Dog go on please remind "everyone" as the other genius refers to his imagined audience, how I am the only one who understands the couched references to terrorism and violence.

Right its just a "struggle".

Have you any clue what the QUIAA stands for. Do you know what they stand for? Have you been to their meetings and met the people who spew their bullshit? Have you? You want to tell me they do not support violence and a violent overthrow of Israel and the use of terrorism? Go on spit it out Black Dog. Tell US. Tell EVERYONE how the QUIAA does not suppport Hezbollah, Hamas and war and terrorism to dismantle the Jewish state. Do lecture me some more.

[Oleg Bach]

Oh look here comes Black Dog to the rescue. Now you see when we dismantle Israel and march up and down screaming fist by fist blow by blow, his boom bah Israel must go, its all just innocent fun you know. Its not a call to violence.

Yah we know the game Black Dog and the couched references. Its tiresome to trot out that naive, what QUIAA advocate terrorism line. You want to prance about with innocent glee pretending they only want an end to Zionist Israel and not Jews, jerk yourself silly. Some of us have been at their meetings and no who is in their group and what they say when they are not on the web site.

Right I know. They only have an issue with Zionist Jews and fundamentalist Jews and Israeli Jews not Jew Jews. You know, the ones that hate Israel and support the "struggle" of "liberation groups".

Black Dog go on please remind "everyone" as the other genius refers to his imagined audience, how I am the only one who understands the couched references to terrorism and violence.

Right its just a "struggle".

Have you any clue what the QUIAA stands for. Do you know what they stand for? Have you been to their meetings and met the people who spew their bullshit? Have you? You want to tell me they do not support violence and a violent overthrow of Israel and the use of terrorism? Go on spit it out Black Dog. Tell US. Tell EVERYONE how the QUIAA does not suppport Hezbollah, Hamas and war and terrorism to dismantle the Jewish state. Do lecture me some more.

To much Jew this and Jew that - no one is interested - Israel can take care of itself - they are capable people - as for blaming them for the worlds woes...there is no real justification for that - BLAME YOURSELF FOR YOUR OWN TROUBLE.

[Rue]

Is goy like gay?

Could be if if the gay is a goy but then again many gays that are goys I myself would call cool gay goys instead of white bread gay goys. Now you can have white bread gay goys and white bread straight goys. The key to the white bread in their souls is their need to pronounce what is correct and claim anything but their opinion is impossible. This comes from the substance in the white bread which has them believe their yeast is the only yeast. The fact is any yeast infection has the same smell Oleg if you follow me.

Now the whitebread is interesting. It has zero nutritional value. Most of it is air with some chemicals. You eat too much of it, it makes you constipated thus the need to become leftist and trendy as you have to find a way to rationalize being so full of shit in the first place.

Now me, I love my prune juice. I also like figs,dates, and other things with roughage. Clearly some of the whitebreads confuse a good bowel movement with diaheria though. Its a shame.They really need to learn how some of us find it so much easier to keep up with the flow.

Oleg I think white bread is a horrible thing. It causes men to point their finger and sound like missionaries as they lecture with a silver spoon still shoved up their collective elitist asses.

Oh but wait I am not done Oleg. The white bread causes delusions too. They are absolutely beside themselves that Jews started their own golf couses and hospitals after they put up the no Jews allowed sign on the beaches.

To this day they piss in their panties at the idea there is a Jewish club. The notion Jews started a club and won't simply remain

without a course to play, drives them absolutely nuts.

Then again they get upset at anything where they can't remain presumptious and lecture us on our place. So much so they recruited

other people with big noses to throw the rocks at us for them.

Yep its a wonderful world. All kinds of alliances are formed. Why just yesterday I was accused of having one with the Masons and Illuminati. Not quite Oleg. Fact is while I appreciate the Jewish club was created as a direct response to the goyim one, me I don't like the game of golf.

Fat men driving in little carts and grunting and groaning don't turn my crank. Later O.

[Black Dog]

Oh look here comes Black Dog to the rescue. Now you see when we dismantle Israel and march up and down screaming fist by fist blow by blow, his boom bah Israel must go, its all just innocent fun you know. Its not a call to violence.

There's an old expression: "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." In this case, the hammer is your belief that any opposition to Israeli policy is inherently antisemitic. It leads to decidedly circular thinking.

Yah we know the game Black Dog and the couched references. Its tiresome to trot out that naive, what QUIAA advocate terrorism line. You want to prance about with innocent glee pretending they only want an end to Zionist Israel and not Jews, jerk yourself silly. Some of us have been at their meetings and no who is in their group and what they say when they are not on the web site.

Right, and we're supposed to take the word of some subliterate internet poster?

Right I know. They only have an issue with Zionist Jews and fundamentalist Jews and Israeli Jews not Jew Jews. You know, the ones that hate Israel and support the "struggle" of "liberation groups".

Ah, here comes the antisemitism card.

Black Dog go on please remind "everyone" as the other genius refers to his imagined audience, how I am the only one who understands the couched references to terrorism and violence.

Because its all in your head.

Have you any clue what the QUIAA stands for. Do you know what they stand for? Have you been to their meetings and met the people who spew their bullshit? Have you? You want to tell me they do not support violence and a violent overthrow of Israel and the use of terrorism? Go on spit it out Black Dog. Tell US. Tell EVERYONE how the QUIAA does not suppport Hezbollah, Hamas and war and terrorism to dismantle the Jewish state. Do lecture me some more.

Do you have any evidence that you aren't a pedophile? I mean, you'll probably say you aren't a child-raping scumbag, but what's the real story.

That's your logic here.

See, I don't actually have to provide any evidence that QuAIA does not support violence because there's no evidence to the contrary. Just your repeated and unsupported accusations.

You want people to believe you? Man up: name names and provide some quotes or other citations. In short: nut up or shut up.

Edited July 7, 2011 by Black Dog

[Boges]

Well the problem with QuAIA is they promote a lie.

Israel is not an apartheid state.

Definition of APARTHEID

racial segregation; specifically : a former policy of segregation and political and economic discrimination against non-European groups in the Republic of South Africa

Considering there are many Arabs live freely in Israel there is no racial segregation.

Now you may believe in a two-state solution, or even right of return for Palestinians, fine but that doesn't make Israel an Apartheid state.

It perpetuates Slander against a people that is unwarranted.

It's like if I said all homosexuals were pedo's It's not true and it slanderous. And only people that have a real hate on for Israel and I'd argue by extension a hate on for the US would think it's appropriate.

[Black Dog]

Well the problem with QuAIA is they promote a lie.

Israel is not an apartheid state.

Considering there are many Arabs live freely in Israel there is no racial segregation.

Apartheid translates as "apartness" and as such is not neccesarly race-based, even if the historical antecedent in South Africa was. You'll note that the references are to Israeli apartheid, denoting it exists in a form distinct from South African apartheid.

Now you may believe in a two-state solution, or even right of return for Palestinians, fine but that doesn't make Israel an Apartheid state.

No, it's the policies of the state that, it is argued, make Israeli an apartheid state.

It perpetuates Slander against a people that is unwarranted.

It's like if I said all homosexuals were pedo's It's not true and it slanderous. And only people that have a real hate on for Israel and I'd argue by extension a hate on for the US would think it's appropriate..

It has nothing to do with Israelis or Jews as individuals or as a collective. It's about the policies of the state.

[Boges]

Apartheid translates as "apartness" and as such is not neccesarly race-based, even if the historical antecedent in South Africa was. You'll note that the references are to Israeli apartheid, denoting it exists in a form distinct from South African apartheid.

No, it's the policies of the state that, it is argued, make Israeli an apartheid state.

It has nothing to do with Israelis or Jews as individuals or as a collective. It's about the policies of the state.

So then beyond this issue. What is the solution to the problem if the "Palestinian State" won't entertain a solution that allows Israel to exist? Just curious.

Obviously it's not something some lewsers on a messageboard can solve.

I just honestly believe people's outrage towards Israel have nothing to do with the policies as much as it does to the state's link to the US and it's inception Post-World War 2

You can look to any part of that region and find state's that treat their people far worse than Israel ever has.

There's a political agenda at play here. It's not because these people really care about the welfare of the Palestinian people, If they did care QuAIA would speak out against nations that make homosexuality a capital crime punishable by death.

[Black Dog]

So then beyond this issue. What is the solution to the problem if the "Palestinian State" won't entertain a solution that allows Israel to exist? Just curious.

Obviously it's not something some lewsers on a messageboard can solve.

I just honestly believe people's outrage towards Israel have nothing to do with the policies as much as it does to the state's link to the US and it's inception Post-World War 2

Fair questions all, but beyond the scope of this particular part of the forum.

You can look to any part of that region and find state's that treat their people far worse than Israel ever has.

There's a political agenda at play here. It's not because these people really care about the welfare of the Palestinian people, If they did care QuAIA would speak out against nations that make homosexuality a capital crime punishable by death.

I think western democratic states should be held to a higher standard of behaviour than tinpot dictatorships and oppressive theocracies. I also don't really believe in a hierarchical approach to dealing with oppression. If something is wrong or immoral, it's wrong or immoral and this fact is not negated by the existence of other wrong or immoral acts perpetrated elsewhere.

[Boges]

I think western democratic states should be held to a higher standard of behaviour than tinpot dictatorships and oppressive theocracies. I also don't really believe in a hierarchical approach to dealing with oppression. If something is wrong or immoral, it's wrong or immoral and this fact is not negated by the existence of other wrong or immoral acts perpetrated elsewhere.

Yes but in opposing Israel in this manor you sort of affirm the likes of Hamas which would prefer Israel not to exist.

The whole Israel debate becomes mute when you consider the alternatives to Israel.

How can you expect Israel to allow Hamas free reign when you know the people funding them?

[Black Dog]

Yes but in opposing Israel in this manor you sort of affirm the likes of Hamas which would prefer Israel not to exist.

Explain that for me.

The whole Israel debate becomes mute when you consider the alternatives to Israel.

It really doesn't.

And you mean "moot".

How can you expect Israel to allow Hamas free reign when you know the people funding them?

Who said anything about allowing Hamas free rein?

[Boges]

Hamas is the opposition to Israel in Palestine, right now it's either one or the other. Undermining Israel emboldens Hamas.

Here's an interesting article by Christopher Hitchens.

Boat People Some questions for the "activists" aboard the Gaza flotilla.

It seems safe and fair to say that the flotilla and its leadership work in reasonably close harmony with Hamas, which constitutes the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood. The political leadership of this organization is headquartered mainly in Gaza itself. But its military coordination is run out of Damascus, where the regime of Bashar Assad is currently at war with increasingly large sections of the long-oppressed Syrian population. Refugee camps, some with urgent humanitarian requirements, are making their appearance on the border between Syria and Turkey (the government of the latter being somewhat sympathetic to the purposes of the flotilla). In these circumstances, isn't it legitimate to strike up a conversation with the "activists" and ask them where they come out on the uprising against hereditary Baathism in Syria?

Whether you agree or not, fervently opposing Israel like people on the left do indirectly or directly supports Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

You know, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

[Boges]

Also do you really think the hardships those in Hamas and the West Bank endure are solely the fault of Israel and not the militant policies of their leaders?

[Oleg Bach]

RUE is actually funny with a shorter posting style - I found his gay is goy is gay...very entertaining - now for some graphic and smelly advice regarding adultery - Vagina does NOT smell like fish....old dying rotted sperm smells like fish cos they are little fish ..If your wife or girl friend has that fishy smell ---- and you have not had sex with her in 10 days - beware - you have an invading fish problem.

[Black Dog]

Hamas is the opposition to Israel in Palestine, right now it's either one or the other. Undermining Israel emboldens Hamas.

I don't accept that premise at all. Supporting a peaceful and equitable resolution to the conflict undermines Hamas's entire raison d'etre.

Also do you really think the hardships those in Hamas and the West Bank endure are solely the fault of Israel and not the militant policies of their leaders?

If I thought so, I'd say so. And I haven't.

Edited July 7, 2011 by Black Dog

[Oleg Bach]

Hammas is like that interloping crimminal friend who comes in to your house and brings gifts to the wife and tells her how wonderful she is - then slips her a thousand dollars to go shopping. Mean while the husband that loves her is put aside - Hammas is a seductive power crazed and jealous orgainzation - They are willing to destroy Palistine so no one else can have her - Yet they are not the husband of Palistine - just some con men.

[guyser]

Whether you agree or not, fervently opposing Israel like people on the left do indirectly or directly supports Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

You know, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

You mean like if you dont support the war on terror you are for terrorism?

Like if you dont support the troops you hope they all get killed?

Like if you dont support Harpers crime regimen you are a heroin addict or somesuch?

Such silly silly notions.

[Oleg Bach]

You mean like if you dont support the war on terror you are for terrorism?

Like if you dont support the troops you hope they all get killed?

Like if you dont support Harpers crime regimen you are a heroin addict or somesuch?

Such silly silly notions.

When the war on terror becomes a buisness stimulated by fear mongering - then I do not support it.

When young men in the flower of their youth lose life and limb and leave the theatre of operations exactly as they found it - I do not support that either - but am filled with pain a the loss of life at the hands of inept and arrogant leaders.

I do not support Harpers crime bills because part of the deal is super jails - and a privatized jailing system is one built for profit and crime ironically becomes a legitimate buisness.

Yes if things don't make sense they are to be jettisoned as quickly as contraditions and bad advice found in the bible....but never toss out the baby with the bath water.