Topaz Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 On Tuesday QP, the Liberals asked Harper what Nigel Wright part was in the in and out scheme since he was their secretary to the Conservatives Fund of Canada. Today, his now Harper;s top aide. Wright's name was listed with the others back in 2008. BTW, QP is getting nasty and and the Tories are running out reasons and using the same old excuses they used in 2008, 5000 in, 5000 out in out where is elections canada. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harpers-top-aide-being-linked-to-in-and-out-scandal/article1934618/ Quote
blueblood Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Crickets ??? Out left of centre friends are conveniently ignoring your research into the in and out saga. Hence crickets. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
scribblet Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Out left of centre friends are conveniently ignoring your research into the in and out saga. Hence crickets. Hmmm okay thanks... best to ignore the facts I guess Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Saipan Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 Two Tory senators charged So what's the sentence? Quote
madmax Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 So what's the sentence? Well lets not rush to judgement. We haven't even built the prisons for them. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 If these people did anything against the EC rules they should punished. The rules apply to everyone, every party. It hasn't been determined yet if any wrong doing was present. So lets not rush to convicting these people before they go before the courts. Once the courts decide then we can discuss their penalty until then they are innocent of all charges. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
madmax Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 If these people did anything against the EC rules they should punished. The rules apply to everyone, every party. It hasn't been determined yet if any wrong doing was present. So lets not rush to convicting these people before they go before the courts. Once the courts decide then we can discuss their penalty until then they are innocent of all charges. They NEVER should have been appointed to the Senate. Especially with these charges of Election Fraud and ripping off Canadians. What was Harper thinking? Could they not find a Respectable candidate for the Senate within their circles? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 They NEVER should have been appointed to the Senate. Especially with these charges of Election Fraud and ripping off Canadians. What was Harper thinking? Could they not find a Respectable candidate for the Senate within their circles? People make mistakes. PM Harper isn't perfect. MP's are human beings. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
madmax Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 People make mistakes. PM Harper isn't perfect. MP's are human beings. That is both failed judgement and patronage to Conservative Scamming Bagman. Regardless, u have your apoligist hat on. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 That is both failed judgement and patronage to Conservative Scamming Bagman. Regardless, u have your apoligist hat on. What scam? Who was scammed? For what? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
GWiz Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 They NEVER should have been appointed to the Senate. Especially with these charges of Election Fraud and ripping off Canadians. What was Harper thinking? Could they not find a Respectable candidate for the Senate within their circles? Could it be a REWARD to keep them quiet? Just askin' Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 People make mistakes. PM Harper isn't perfect. MP's are human beings. Then why the fawning,"I've got daddy issues",statements over your inherently failed "Dear Leader"? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 (edited) What scam? Who was scammed? For what? 1. The IN - OUT election financing scam... 2. Canadian tax payers and our form of parliamentary democracy was scammed... 3. Hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars paid as election expense refunds to 67 CONSERVATIVE candidates that ran in the 2006 election.. Hope that clears things up for you... Edited March 9, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Wild Bill Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 That is both failed judgement and patronage to Conservative Scamming Bagman. Regardless, u have your apoligist hat on. Let's not be hasty here, Max. You may be quite right that Harper showed poor judgement but one thing seems obvious - the Tories hid nothing and seemed absolutely sure that they were legally in the right! Consider, they hid nothing! They didn't try to pull something with just a few MPs but with as many as they could! What's more, a court ruling agreed with them! Now an appeal has ruled against them. All the partisans here are jumping all over the verdict against them and ignoring the one that supported them. There is still a court process underway and the Tories may yet prevail. Or, they may lose. That's how legal systems work. One thing's for sure - since the opposition parties have gone so rabidly after the nitpicking details in this case they have established a new precedent. Someday they will find themselves in a similar position on some other issue and the Tories will respond exactly in kind. Tit for tat, I guess. A new low will be set. Of course, in politics is it possible to go lower than low? Anyhow, we still see little or no signs that the average Canadian gives a rats ass! There's a lot of noise but one thing that stands out when a citizen looks at the case is again, there was no attempt to hide! A voter may or may not understand an issue but attempts to hide speak for themselves. For this reason the Bev Oda case may yet do some damage (but not a lot) but the "in-out" accounting dispute done all above board just can't be equated with the typical political secret scandals. If I were a Liberal I would be screaming about a far bigger weakness in the Harper camp. It's almost a one-man show! Harper has been such a control freak that few of his cabinet ministers have garnered much of a profile for themselves. Back benchers may as well not exist. Even Chretien was never this bad! A ruling party is supposed to be just that, a party! That is, a group of competent individuals who all contribute to the rule of the country. What if Harper fell under a bus? Would his style of leadership have prevented any competent replacement? Ignatieff shows in the polls as a weak leader or PM choice. The Liberals should be turning that around into a strength! There are a number of high profile members in his shadow cabinet that are leadership material. They should be trumpeting the strength of their team, thus dodging any criticisms of Ignatieff personally. Oh well, as I have said before, this election is just a "snore-fest" anyway. Next time the Liberals will likely have a much better chance and we will see some REAL action! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Evening Star Posted March 9, 2011 Report Posted March 9, 2011 What about the falsified receipts, Bill? Does that count as an attempt to hide? Quote
YEGmann Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 What about the falsified receipts, Bill? Does that count as an attempt to hide? What are you talking about? There are no any "falsified" receipts. All receipts are accurate, honest and complete. EC just says the expenses in those receipts do not qualify, conservatives overspent, and therefore the people who submitted the receipts committed a violation of the election rules. Quote
Evening Star Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 See post 28 here: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18195&st=15 Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted March 10, 2011 Author Report Posted March 10, 2011 What are you talking about? There are no any "falsified" receipts. All receipts are accurate, honest and complete. EC just says the expenses in those receipts do not qualify, conservatives overspent, and therefore the people who submitted the receipts committed a violation of the election rules. Bullshit, the fake reciepts have been displayed for all to see on Power and Politics. They even photocopied the typo which is why Elections Canada spotted their fraud so easily. The ad company that the fake reciepts are supposedly from say they never wrote the reciepts or sold the advertising. Liars, Cheaters, and Theives, Oh my! Quote
capricorn Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 1. The IN - OUT election financing scam... 2. Canadian tax payers and our form of parliamentary democracy was scammed... 3. Hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars paid as election expense refunds to 67 CONSERVATIVE candidates that ran in the 2006 election.. Hope that clears things up for you... If the Supreme Court rejects leave to appeal then the Court of Appeal decision stands. I haven't read the Court decision so I don't know if restitution was ordered by the Court. But I would hope that the Conservatives be made to reimburse whatever rebates were paid to them. Additionally, I think Elections Canada should investigate whether other parties partook in "in and out" activities, or two reasons. One, if other parties did it, they too owe the taxpayer. If it is found that other parties did not, those parties would be cleared in the minds of those who think they were equally complicit in getting unearned rebates. Oh, there's another reason. Elections Canada could use such inquiry to counteract claims they are not impartial. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
YEGmann Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Bullshit, the fake reciepts have been displayed for all to see on Power and Politics. They even photocopied the typo which is why Elections Canada spotted their fraud so easily. The ad company that the fake reciepts are supposedly from say they never wrote the reciepts or sold the advertising. Liars, Cheaters, and Theives, Oh my! Stop speading bullshit. All receipts are genuine and accurate. Opposition has not found any faked receipts yet. Read your and EvStar link yourself. EC spotted just the same numbers. Fake receits was an insinuation proven wrong later. Quote
Evening Star Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 In total, 65 Conservative candidates had submitted nearly identical invoices; only the dollar amounts were different. The invoices were on the letterhead of the Conservative Party's advertising purchasing agency, Retail Media. But an Elections Canada investigator later reported that Retail Media didn't seem to know anything about the documents, with a company spokesperson saying they didn’t even look remotely like the firm's standard invoices. One executive of the ad company "speculated that this invoice must have been altered or created by someone." Seems pretty clear. Quote
scribblet Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 Stop speading bullshit. All receipts are genuine and accurate. Opposition has not found any faked receipts yet. Read your and EvStar link yourself. EC spotted just the same numbers. Fake receits was an insinuation proven wrong later. Exactly, talk about misinformation. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Evening Star Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 I feel like we're speaking different languages. The receipts were on Retail Media letterhead but Retail Media didn't know anything about them and didn't even think they looked like their standard invoices. How are those not faked invoices? Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 10, 2011 Report Posted March 10, 2011 I feel like we're speaking different languages. The receipts were on Retail Media letterhead but Retail Media didn't know anything about them and didn't even think they looked like their standard invoices. How are those not faked invoices? Doesn't matter cause EVERYBODY DOES IT!!!!!! Look at that, I can parrot CPC talking points too! Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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