Why are blacks committing the most murders?

[Bob]

His wife is living hand to mouth, supported by living with friends and has no money.

I don't believe that for a second, as hundreds of millions of dollars were unaccounted for.

His son committed suicide a while ago.

I know, and good.

[guyser]

, or charges against financial institutions that have foreclosed on homes and evicted owners, without even having proof of clear, legal title to the properties in question!

Would a fine of $108Million against Bank of America help?http://zingervotes.blogspot.com/2010/06/bank-of-america-slapped-again-fined.html

How about a Judge in Utah slapped a C&D against BofA re foreclosures?http://zingervotes.blogspot.com/2010/06/utah-judge-rules-against-bac-bank-of.html

JP Morgan

Countrywide

Wells Fargo

.....all got the same treatment.

I dont think they got enough, but to say nothing happened is playing loose.

[guyser]

I don't believe that for a second, as hundreds of millions of dollars were unaccounted for.

The Feds have vetted everything she has and where she could hide it. They are satisfied, you should be too.

I know, and good.

Arent you the nice young man.

(maybe when you grow up)

[Scotty]

He was filtering money - government financed money - through his girlfriend. Carson also has multiple convictions for fraud.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it MUST be a duck. So no, it is not bullshit. It is fact.

His frauds were mostly small time stuff. He failed to pay his credit card, he failed to pay a rental company on a leased car. He bounced a cheque, all while receiving psychiatric treatment for stress. And all in the past.

The only allegation against him at present is that he lobbied on behalf of his girlfriend's company. And most of the people I've read seem to believe there will be no charges because nothing he did was illegal.

[kimmy]

http://www.missingjustice.ca/2010/04/list-of-missing-murdered-aboriginal-women-in-canada-grows/

http://www.amnesty.ca/campaigns/sisters_overview.php

If you don't know about the close to 600 First Nations women who are missing or murdered, then you must live in a cave.

I didn't ask whether there are really 589 missing First Nations women.

I asked how you know there aren't 589 missing white women in Canada right now.

Here's what you said:

589 Missing First Nations women in Canada right now. You would think that type of news would garner some news, but its not even newsworthy. I wonder what the news would look like if there was 589 missing white women in Canada right now.

Well, the number of missing women in Canada is in the thousands, and less than 600 of those are aboriginal, so you figure out the rest.

Imagine what the news would look like if there were 589 missing white women? There are more than that, and the news hardly has anything to say about it at all. I waded through dozens of news articles about missing aboriginal women, searching in vain for information about missing non-aboriginal women. There are rallies and lobby groups and police inquiries and news series about missing aboriginal women. Nary a word about missing non-aboriginal women.

-k

[M.Dancer]

The residential schools are the mass grave sites. I think most don't understand that is implied.

So why then haven't someone exhumed them...?

Aside from not existing I mean...

[Bonam]

As far as GostHacked's reference to Madoff, I'm sure many people agree with me - he should be executed,

No, he should not be. Death penalty for financial scandals? No thanks. In my mind, no matter how much money one steals, they are less of a criminal than someone that does murder, for example. And most murderers are not executed either. I seem to be in the minority with this view though. Most people here seem to have a visceral hatred for the rich which makes them want to punish them infinitely more severely when they commit some crime, even if the crime is of a much lower order. You will never get me to agree that moving around electronic currency unlawfully deserves a harsher punishment than savagely extinguishing the life of an innocent person.

Additionally, I oppose the death penalty in principle except in very very extreme cases (top officials personally responsible for horrible atrocities), because our justice system can never know with complete certainty whether someone really is guilty.

and his entire family arrested and interrogated

In our society, the guilt of one person does not pass onto their children or spouse. To take vengeance against an entire family for the actions of one member is not justice.

[Bonam]

Well, that's quite a bit more complicated. Let's say I assume you're right about the guilt of these people, and that they should be imprisoned and/or executed - the lack of justice on this issue isn't a "conservative" issue. It's just a flawed system.

So now you want to execute people who didn't even commit an actual crime, but just for being greedy and shortsighted? Perhaps we should also purge the intellectuals for being too smart, the atheists for being impious, and anyone else to whom you might ascribe a quality you find undesirable?

A society that did such a thing would be even worse than a hellhole like Saudi Arabia: at least who they execute and for what imagined crime is codified in a silly book. In your version, it's just whoever you don't like. What you envision is a Stalinist state, where people are summarily executed at the whim of a crazed tyrant.

Your bloodthirstiness scares me.

His son committed suicide a while ago.

I know, and good.

Really? And why is that good?

[Jack Weber]

So now you want to execute people who didn't even commit an actual crime, but just for being greedy and shortsighted? Perhaps we should also purge the intellectuals for being too smart, the atheists for being impious, and anyone else to whom you might ascribe a quality you find undesirable?

A society that did such a thing would be even worse than a hellhole like Saudi Arabia: at least who they execute and for what imagined crime is codified in a silly book. In your version, it's just whoever you don't like. What you envision is a Stalinist state, where people are summarily executed at the whim of a crazed tyrant.

Your bloodthirstiness scares me.

Really? And why is that good?

Actually...

Bob is a Fascist....

Stalin is not the best example of this...Actually,not even close...

Look wwwwaaaaayyy over to the right,then you'll see what Bobby emulates...

It's the definition of ironic...

[Oleg Bach]

That is tragic. Media is not keeping up any awareness.

There is 28 mass graves across Canada with over 50,000 First Nations children are buried without any gravesite markings to show the person was actualy walking on this earth.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=3748

http://www.rense.com/general82/massgraves.htm

You might say that having about 18000 kids as wards of the state in and aroung the greater GTA is tragic - most will suffer abuse and neglect at the hands of the state - some will not make it - some are in place because they generate jobs - that's too many kids - this is also tragic.

[Chippewa]

Imagine what the news would look like if there were 589 missing white women? There are more than that, and the news hardly has anything to say about it at all. I waded through dozens of news articles about missing aboriginal women, searching in vain for information about missing non-aboriginal women. There are rallies and lobby groups and police inquiries and news series about missing aboriginal women. Nary a word about missing non-aboriginal women.

-k

This is a tragic. I was not even aware of this Issue until I think one of the mods mentioned it. And 50,000 missing Children to go with it. Nobody deserves harmful treatment, or death because of sex, age, or ethnicity. The last organized group abducting children was the Churches, and they were discribed as "loosely organized pediphile rings", id start investigating there. As they already fit the profile. My dad was abducted for 5 years, and raped while he was just a little 6 year old at Residential School. If the Churches had no problem doing it then, i would imagine they have no problem doing it now. Since they work like a Mafia, moving around Priests to the Vatican to escape the Law.

So Canada is all gun-ho on sending money to flooded areas, but they neglect missing people in the thousands.

[Chippewa]

So why then haven't someone exhumed them...?

Aside from not existing I mean...

Are you saying these mass gravesites don't exist??? I think you are nuts and off your rocker if thats the case.

First Nations have been trying to get murder investigations for decades, and charges brought against the Churches. The result of that was a simple apology from Harpar.

So your saying 100s of thousands of children who were abducted from there homes by the churches, never existed... and they have no mass grave sites.. o.k .. The first step to recover is admitting the problem at hand...

[M.Dancer]

Are you saying these mass gravesites don't exist??? I think you are nuts and off your rocker if thats the case.

I'm saying no evidence has been brought forward....and I do think the claims of 100K dead are, to see the least, even less credible than a Hamas press release.

[Chippewa]

I'm saying no evidence has been brought forward....and I do think the claims of 100K dead are, to see the least, even less credible than a Hamas press release.

Tons of evidence, and statements have been brought forward. You do the math then, if the Residential Schools reported an average of a 51% death rate, and thats from the churches and government, then you can figure the rest.

Let me guess you were an alter boy in denile.

Hitler claimed the same thing, no evidence jews were killed during the genocide. Even less credible then the Canadian Press.

[DogOnPorch]

Hitler claimed the same thing, no evidence jews were killed during the genocide. Even less credible then the Canadian Press.

Hitler claimed no such thing.

[M.Dancer]

You do the math then, if the Residential Schools reported an average of a 51% death rate, and thats from the churches and government, then you can figure the rest.

They did, in the early years while Canada was in the midst of a tuberculoisis epidemic. Around the same time, my grandfather alos had TB and almost died.

After those early years, the rate was no where near that...in fact, if we believe your claim of 50,000 - The death rate is 33%

But in fact, there is at this point no empirical statistic of the death rate at all.

None.

[ToadBrother]

Are you saying these mass gravesites don't exist??? I think you are nuts and off your rocker if thats the case.

First Nations have been trying to get murder investigations for decades, and charges brought against the Churches. The result of that was a simple apology from Harpar.

So your saying 100s of thousands of children who were abducted from there homes by the churches, never existed... and they have no mass grave sites.. o.k .. The first step to recover is admitting the problem at hand...

The grave sites don't exist.

[Oleg Bach]

Hitler claimed no such thing.

The only thing Hitler could claim is that he was not of the super race....They say he committed suicide - I would say that was a lie...someone offed the bastard...so he would not talk and mention who his real advisors were.

[Oleg Bach]

Think of it...The Russians or Americans wanted him alive - they would not torture the guy - or abuse him in any manner - but they sure would liked to have had a long chat with him about the inner real workings of the Nazi party.. It does not make sense that this type of man would kill himself...and his dog - that's a dead give away...If a person is going to commit suicide he does not take the family mutt along for the ride.

[Bob]

So now you want to execute people who didn't even commit an actual crime, but just for being greedy and shortsighted? Perhaps we should also purge the intellectuals for being too smart, the atheists for being impious, and anyone else to whom you might ascribe a quality you find undesirable?

A society that did such a thing would be even worse than a hellhole like Saudi Arabia: at least who they execute and for what imagined crime is codified in a silly book. In your version, it's just whoever you don't like. What you envision is a Stalinist state, where people are summarily executed at the whim of a crazed tyrant.

Your bloodthirstiness scares me.

Really? And why is that good?

You and I obviously have a disagreement over the death penalty, then. Madoff ruined lives. I don't hold the perspective that only physical crimes (murder, assault, rape) warrant execution as a penalty. Madoff did so much damage to so many people, and to top it off he was completely unrepentant. I'm guessing he's a sociopath, if not a psychopath. The type of sickness and lack of conscience that he must have in order to do what he did is unfathomable.

As far as his son goes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Please don't tell me you don't think his son was directly involved in the crimes. As was his wife. Why do he think he committed suicide, because of shame? He did it to avoid the justice he feared would come for him. I have no sympathy for a family of rats that lived large while stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from others.

[Oleg Bach]

Madoff generated violence - phyical damage. He may as well went about his buisness taking money created by the use of human time and energy - To steal a man's time is to steal his life.

[guyser]

As far as his son goes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Ok, post up the proof.

Please don't tell me you don't think his son was directly involved in the crimes. As was his wife. Why do he think he committed suicide, because of shame? He did it to avoid the justice he feared would come for him. I have no sympathy for a family of rats that lived large while stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from others.

You have no idea why he committed suicide so dont tell us you do.

Of course you have no take on the hundreds of people who profitted .

You have not take on the Feds, the banks , the SEC who by all accounts saw this and did nothing.

Yea, so easy, attack his wife and family.

[Oleg Bach]

These people do not kill themselves out of shame. If they had a sense of shame they would have behaved themselves.

[charter.rights]

The grave sites don't exist.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission believes they do.

A friend of mine - a former RCMP officer - is the lead detective on the Commission and they have in fact verified that a number of grave sites behind former schools do in fact exist. How many children are there will be up to the exhumations and archaeological excavations, which I understand is presently underway.

BUT The Commission is hearing personal testimony from a number of the survivors and taking their statements at face value.

Edited April 7, 2011 by charter.rights

[WIP]

Well, that's quite a bit more complicated. Let's say I assume you're right about the guilt of these people, and that they should be imprisoned and/or executed - the lack of justice on this issue isn't a "conservative" issue. It's just a flawed system.

I don't see anything complicated about it! From what I gather on the derivatives-fueled financial meltdown, a lot of people and entire nations lost real economic value because of CDO's that bundled bad debt in with other mortgages and declared them to be triple A rated. Back in the 80's, a similar misrepresentation of mortgage values led to the Savings and Loan collapses, and several S&L directors prosecuted in criminal courts. The difference is that now, the investor class on Wall Street is so wealthy, and has purchased so much good will from politicians of both parties, that they have been leveraging how the bail out was handled right from the start. It could have been handled in a similar manner as the S&L Collapse; the fact that it isn't shows us that rich and powerful players are above the law...and in fact write the laws....and that makes it a conservative issue, since conservatives respect authority more than equality and democratic principles.