GWiz Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Posted February 19, 2011 The man is a good party leader for sure, I would never say he wasn't. He has great charisma, he connects with people. Trust me , I wish Harper had half of his charisma, the Tories would have a majority by now if he did. I just hate his politics and look upon the NDP in general as communists, socialists and basically traitors to Canada. Me too! As for Layon, I have exactly the OPPOSITE viewpoint of him and my wife will switch channels if she sees him talking that's how much she dislikes Layton AND the NDP... To be fair almost every government in Canada, even most majorities throughout our history, has only had 1/3 electorate support. Nothing "FAIR" about elections in the Canadian system... A Government should have a mandate of 50% plus 1 to Govern, by whatever method that may be achieved... BUT, it is what it is... Regardless Canadians will get the Government they DESERVE, after all, they're the ones that end up paying for it one way or another... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
madmax Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-takes-corporate-tax-cuts-off-the-table/article1913724/ NDP takes corporate tax cut off the table. So what was that about the NDP standing up for principles? The Liberals pushed through this set of Corporate Tax cuts, not the NDP? Infact what is Ignatieff saying? We voted for it but now we are against it, even though we can't stop it? Compared to the NDP. We voted against it, and its going through because it cannot be stopped. Its ALREADY passed. If the Harper Government was coughing up another round of corporate tax cuts. I am sure, both parties would be against it... well, I am not sure about the Liberals. Quote
madmax Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 The NDP won't be winning or losing any votes with people who vote for the Tories. I believe the NDP and Tories will have many seats switching hands. Expect the CPC to lose a few to the NDP and visa versa. I can't tell you whom the net benefactor will be, but your line above is poor thinking from any strategist. Quote
madmax Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 Don't be too sure about Jac. Remember, he was the one who created the election for 2005-06, that help Harper come into power. Jack can throw Harper under the bus too., Better go back and look at that 2005 election again. 1) Paul Martin called an election and essentially pulled the plug on himself. 2) Paul Martin lost confidence in his own government. 3) A confidence vote came up a few short weeks before Paul Martins official noose date. 4) I believe the NDP didn't have enough seats to keep the Martin Government in power, regardless of which way the voted on the confidence measure. IIRC Chuck Cadman was deceased by this time and it was Chuck Cadman, who kept the Liberal Government afloat. The NDP received Concessions in the form of Corporate tax cuts and investments into Canada instead for their support. In late 2005 Paul Martin was paying no heed to the NDP. And therefore, never expected their support. Only Liberals who realized they lost the election, rewrite history to lay blame on the NDP, when it solely lies with them. ANd yes, the NDP is much like the old Social Credit. They will pull the plug regardless of polls. Quote
madmax Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 Harper has nothing to lose and everything to gain from an election. The other two parties have the most to lose. If Harper has nothing to lose.. he will orchestrate an election. Just like 2008. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 If Harper has nothing to lose.. he will orchestrate an election. Just like 2008. Or maybe we get a 3rd "perogie" to "recalibrate"? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Evening Star Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) 4) I believe the NDP didn't have enough seats to keep the Martin Government in power, regardless of which way the voted on the confidence measure. IIRC Chuck Cadman was deceased by this time and it was Chuck Cadman, who kept the Liberal Government afloat. The NDP received Concessions in the form of Corporate tax cuts and investments into Canada instead for their support. That's right. The vote of no confidence passed 171-133. The NDP had 18 seats. Even if the whole party voted in favour of the sitting Martin government, the motion would have still passed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2006#Events_during_the_38th_Parliament http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38th_Canadian_Parliament And I'm being swayed over to Rovik's view of this negotiation. Anyone who thinks the NDP are communists or even socialists in the classic sense is delusional btw. Edited February 19, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
GWiz Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Posted February 19, 2011 Or maybe we get a 3rd "perogie" to "recalibrate"? Naaa, I think this TIME Harper will "misread" the tealeaves and WANT an election thinking all the ducks are lining up in a row nicely... The thing about ducks though is one never knows when a gun may go off and those ducks fly away in different directions... You have to admit that Harper has left a LOT of deadly (to Harper's aspirations of a majority) guns lying around for somebody to use... But who knows, right now Layton is running around trying to hide all those guns hoping that Harper can't find them either and not just the Libs... The Bloc may even be helping Layton hide them... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Naaa, I think this TIME Harper will "misread" the tealeaves and WANT an election thinking all the ducks are lining up in a row nicely... The thing about ducks though is one never knows when a gun may go off and those ducks fly away in different directions... You have to admit that Harper has left a LOT of deadly (to Harper's aspirations of a majority) guns lying around for somebody to use... But who knows, right now Layton is running around trying to hide all those guns hoping that Harper can't find them either and not just the Libs... The Bloc may even be helping Layton hide them... Could you imagine what would happen if Ed Broadbent was still leading the NDP or Pierre Trudeau were still leading the Liberal party,and either one of them had to deal with likes of this control freak,whelp Harper?? I imagine,in a debate with either of them,Mr.Harper would be left curled up in the fetal position,sobbing in a pool of his own urine... My point is that the opposition is so weak and weakminded that they seem to be afraid to really confront this Albertan Reformer... Edited February 19, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Posted February 19, 2011 Could you imagine what would happen if Ed Broadbent was still leading the NDP or Pierre Trudeau were still leading the Liberal party,and either one of them had to deal with likes of this control freak,whelp Harper?? I imagine,in a debate with either of them,Mr.Harper would be left curled up in the fetal position,sobbing in a pool of his own urine... My point is that the opposition is so weak and weakminded that they seem to be afraid to really confront this Albertan Reformer... My friend me thinks you just gave that nail a splitting headache... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Wild Bill Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 My point is that the opposition is so weak and weakminded that they seem to be afraid to really confront this Albertan Reformer... You're right, Jack! So Ignatieff and Layton have left a guy like me stuck for an alternative to Harper, who is most definitely NOT a Reformer! No Reformer would EVER have sucked up to Mulroney! He was 75% of the reason so many people quit the PCs to join Reform! So for leaving me stuck with this control freak, thanks for nothing to the Opposition! The only consolation I can take from the situation is that you will STILL be the Opposition! Just once, before I die, I'd like to vote for someone who inspired me that actually WON! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Jack Weber Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) You're right, Jack! So Ignatieff and Layton have left a guy like me stuck for an alternative to Harper, who is most definitely NOT a Reformer! No Reformer would EVER have sucked up to Mulroney! He was 75% of the reason so many people quit the PCs to join Reform! So for leaving me stuck with this control freak, thanks for nothing to the Opposition! The only consolation I can take from the situation is that you will STILL be the Opposition! Just once, before I die, I'd like to vote for someone who inspired me that actually WON! You have that option... Move to Alberta and help build the Wild Rose Alliance "firewall"... It's right wing Kookville galore... Just remember to keep pumping the oil and make us Proud Eastern Bastards some money... And by the way,it's not Iggy or Laytons fault that Harper cannot reach his majority.... That's a problem for the Cons,and the Cons alone.... Edited February 19, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Wild Bill Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 You have that option... Move to Alberta and help build the Wild Rose Alliance "firewall"... It's right wing Kookville galore... Just remember to keep pumping the oil and make us Proud Eastern Bastards some money... And by the way,it's not Iggy or Laytons fault that Harper cannot reach his majority.... That's a problem for the Cons,and the Cons alone.... Jack, I'm going through a long, dragged out divorce! I couldn't afford to move to Caistor Center! Meanwhile, minority governments don't confront me none! Just as long as the non-liberal Liberals and the "Never saw a business I didn't want to scare away" Party don't get in power things won't be all bad... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
William Ashley Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/layton-draws-strong-line-on-budget-opening-door-to-election/article1914510/ By the sounds of this article Layton is pulling his own knot on Mr. Stephen Harper. Quote I was here.
wyly Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/layton-draws-strong-line-on-budget-opening-door-to-election/article1914510/ By the sounds of this article Layton is pulling his own knot on Mr. Stephen Harper. Laytons demands - Removing the federal sales tax from home heating bills and restoring the EcoEnergy Retrofit program; - Increasing the Guaranteed Income Supplement for low-income seniors; - Expanding the Canada Pension Plan; - Hiring more family doctors. I'm good on all three...the first is good for the economy and the environment...the forth hiring doctors I don't see how harper has much direct control, MD's are hired as fast as they come out of the Uni's, unless he wants more funds for training more MD's... for the cash to make this work replace the F35 fantasy with something less expensive and more practical.. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GWiz Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Posted February 20, 2011 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/layton-draws-strong-line-on-budget-opening-door-to-election/article1914510/ By the sounds of this article Layton is pulling his own knot on Mr. Stephen Harper. NDP speak for SUPPORTING the budget - - He wouldn’t close the door on supporting the budget, because he said he doesn’t want to second guess what the prime minister will do. “The prime minister has the opportunity to do the right thing. There is four weeks left or so before the budget is tabled. We hope that Canadians will speak up and let the prime minister and Conservatives know that it is time they had help from the government. “ Mr. Layton said that while the NDP would look at the budget as a whole, “our position on corporate tax cuts is clear.” - Yep, typical NDP, clear that Layton will vote with Harper and the CONS... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
cybercoma Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 The doctor dealy is odd. They're not, as a rule, employees of the state. Each province has its own medicare funding system that pays for the doctors' services. I'm not quite sure how he plans on hiring more doctors, unless he means import more doctors through immigration. Quote
William Ashley Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 NDP speak for SUPPORTING the budget - - He wouldn’t close the door on supporting the budget, because he said he doesn’t want to second guess what the prime minister will do. “The prime minister has the opportunity to do the right thing. There is four weeks left or so before the budget is tabled. We hope that Canadians will speak up and let the prime minister and Conservatives know that it is time they had help from the government. “ Mr. Layton said that while the NDP would look at the budget as a whole, “our position on corporate tax cuts is clear.” - Yep, typical NDP, clear that Layton will vote with Harper and the CONS... nah but the such and suches in the party have said laytons requests are too much and flaherety appears to be shoping around for cheaper "liberal" options. Unless of course the liberals hold firm.. it will be history making in Ignatieffs term as leader of the liberal party if he holds on what he said a month earlier - we'll have to wait and see. They lost power for supposed less money than Laytons grab bag will cost. It could go ahead but there are mixed signals - it seems some in the party want to go. I see it more like this. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O4ZzhRdo84M/TMSrW1DFv0I/AAAAAAAACNk/WfvBWJJkvVo/s1600/Tarzan208Kala.jpg Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted February 20, 2011 Report Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) The doctor dealy is odd. They're not, as a rule, employees of the state. Each province has its own medicare funding system that pays for the doctors' services. I'm not quite sure how he plans on hiring more doctors, unless he means import more doctors through immigration. There is an emerging doctor shortage in rural areas. The NDP attract have not rurals and second rate urban areas (this isn't really the case but it is easiest to explain it that way to the more privleged rich west, and urban Canada. Some places are incredibly neglected, for instance Atlantic Canada and Northern Ontario. see: http://www.muchmormagazine.com/2011/01/canada%E2%80%99s-doctor-shortage-is-far-worse-in-the-north-than-in-the-south/ This is a little dated: http://www.centreforthenorth.ca/blogs/herethenorth/somebodycalladoctor The NDP is far more intune with the rural class than any other party, and family doctors for urban communities is something that is needed. Edited February 20, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Posted February 21, 2011 Laytons demands - Removing the federal sales tax from home heating bills and restoring the EcoEnergy Retrofit program; - Increasing the Guaranteed Income Supplement for low-income seniors; - Expanding the Canada Pension Plan; - Hiring more family doctors. I'm good on all three...the first is good for the economy and the environment...the forth hiring doctors I don't see how harper has much direct control, MD's are hired as fast as they come out of the Uni's, unless he wants more funds for training more MD's... for the cash to make this work replace the F-35 fantasy with something less expensive and more practical.. You must be a Liberal... http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18039&view=findpost&p=628125 Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Mr.Canada Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 Nothing "FAIR" about elections in the Canadian system... A Government should have a mandate of 50% plus 1 to Govern, by whatever method that may be achieved... The only way this would be possible is if we moved to a two party system like they have in the States. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
wyly Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 The doctor dealy is odd. They're not, as a rule, employees of the state. Each province has its own medicare funding system that pays for the doctors' services. I'm not quite sure how he plans on hiring more doctors, unless he means import more doctors through immigration. doctors through immigration can't be done because the certification system is maxed out and immigrant MDs are required to take the same testing as canadian MDs go through...there are finite number of spots for certification and those go to canadians first... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 The only way this would be possible is if we moved to a two party system like they have in the States. so less democracy then, no thanks... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
William Ashley Posted February 21, 2011 Report Posted February 21, 2011 doctors through immigration can't be done because the certification system is maxed out and immigrant MDs are required to take the same testing as canadian MDs go through...there are finite number of spots for certification and those go to canadians first... so make more spots for certification or and/or train more doctors. Quote I was here.
GWiz Posted February 21, 2011 Author Report Posted February 21, 2011 (edited) The only way this would be possible is if we moved to a two party system like they have in the States. Or coalitions like GB, if there's a will there's 1/2 a dozen ways to do it, without that will there's no way... And having a single province Quebec dictate, or at least influence the Government of Canada, thanks to Moroney, just makes our system that much worse... Now if the Bloc were to run candidates across Canada I'd have no problem with them... Go Green... Edited February 21, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
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