betsy Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) lol So the preacher is just trying to sell you shit... even if you don't need it... they're just trying to make a buck. Good analogy by Betsy! At last! Somebody saw the "light!" Well I'm glad you and Cybercoma both agree with the analogy. At least you guys actually understand that there's no reason to be so irrationally angry everytime somebody spouts religion....treat it like any other salesperson. The way some carry on you'd think they're getting prodded by a pitchfork. You don't like it, don't buy. Is all. No need to go through all the histrionics! Edited February 14, 2011 by betsy Quote
cybercoma Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) At last! Somebody saw the "light!" Well I'm glad you and Cybercoma both agree with the analogy. At least you guys actually understand that there's no reason to be so irrationally angry everytime somebody spouts religion....treat it like any other salesperson. The way some carry on you'd think they're getting prodded by a pitchfork. You don't like it, don't buy. Is all. No need to go through all the histrionics! Don't put words in my mouth. Vaccuum cleaner salespersons don't criticize your lifestyle trying to get a sale. Edited February 14, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
betsy Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) deleted. double posting. Edited February 14, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted February 14, 2011 Author Report Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Don't put words in my mouth. Vaccuum cleaner salespersons don't criticize your lifestyle trying to get a sale. You didn't read the whole analogy. You didn't read the story about the salesman. There's more before that part which you quoted. I'd gladly re-post that here...but have to fix dinner now. Maybe later. Edited February 14, 2011 by betsy Quote
The_Squid Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) If a preacher is no better than a used car salesman, you can keep your religion (snake-oil)!! Vaccuum cleaner salespersons don't criticize your lifestyle trying to get a sale. They would if they thought that they could make a sale.... Edited February 14, 2011 by The_Squid Quote
cybercoma Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 They would if they thought that they could make a sale.... Maybe Life Insurance is a better analogy. Quote
betsy Posted February 15, 2011 Author Report Posted February 15, 2011 If a preacher is no better than a used car salesman, you can keep your religion (snake-oil)!! That's the whole point, isn't it? Choice. That's why I'm glad you got it. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 That's the whole point, isn't it? Choice. That's why I'm glad you got it. Fear and derision is the difference and the point, not choice. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 You are free to attribute whatever you want in defining life and our place in the universe. Thank you for setting me free. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 Science is simply the search for God and all the answers to creation...kind of a silly endevour...YOU reside in this infinity - you are in God....and like a squirel looking for a way out of the forest..when the whold planet is noting but trees. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 If God is everything and infinite, then God must also be nothing, as there is no point of distinction between this God and anything else. Quote
segnosaur Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 Science is simply the search for God... Nope. Science is a collection of facts, along with a mechanism for discovering facts. It has no interest in trying to find any supernatural invisible sky daddy. Unless of course you are expanding the definition of 'god' far outside what people normally attribute to it. Quote
betsy Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Posted February 17, 2011 Fear and derision is the difference and the point, not choice. Perhaps in another topic. But not here and not in Jesus Camp! Quote
kimmy Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 Betsy can say that pushing religion and pushing vacuum cleaners aren't any different if she wishes... ...but I bet she'd react a lot different if her child came home with a new Hoover than if her child came home with a new Prophet. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
betsy Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) Betsy can say that pushing religion and pushing vacuum cleaners aren't any different if she wishes... ...but I bet she'd react a lot different if her child came home with a new Hoover than if her child came home with a new Prophet. -k You never did cite an sample how I 'flew-off-the-handle" in Jesus Camp. However, I can cite a sample about your viewpoint: When I see Muslims in traditional garb bumping around town, I feel a negative reaction. And it's not because I suspect that this person is planning to blow something up. When Muslims complain that people look at them as possibly terrorists, that's not it at all. I really don't. That's not what causes me to react negatively. My reaction is because I suspect that this person looks at me as (to coin a phrase) "a piece of uncovered meat." If I'm face to face with a woman who believes that it's a sin if more than her face or her hands are showing... uh, I guess that makes me a sinner. There's a judgment implied. I don't blame her for dressing as she believes she has to, but at the same time, it's a very visual signal that we have different world views and that I don't conform to her idea of what's moral. And try as we might, that's going to color our interactions. If conservative Muslims had the power to make rules in this country, my life would be a lot different. And as you say, if conservative Christians had the power to make rules in this country, or this province, my life would be different too. But the hardcore Christians don't visually identify themselves... if they're judging me, they seem to keep it to themselves. Ohttp://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=7231&st=90 Kimmy, you say you suspect that Moslems are judging you, but go on to say that if Christians are judging you, they keep it to themselves. Sorry to say, but I think it's all in your head. Edited February 19, 2011 by betsy Quote
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2011 Report Posted February 19, 2011 Betsy can say that pushing religion and pushing vacuum cleaners aren't any different if she wishes... ...but I bet she'd react a lot different if her child came home with a new Hoover than if her child came home with a new Prophet. -k ou never know. She might be particularly attached to her Dyson. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Betsy can say that pushing religion and pushing vacuum cleaners aren't any different if she wishes... ...but I bet she'd react a lot different if her child came home with a new Hoover than if her child came home with a new Prophet. -k "Allah is God and Muhammad (peace be on his name) is his Prophet." Yeah, I have doubts that this would accepted with equanimity. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Saipan Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 If an adult has an imaginary friend, he's a nut. Unless he can convince a bunch of others to share his imaginary friend, then it's a religion! Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 Why would proof matter to you? This was where the discussion ended. On a wholly true note. Even if someone could prove the lack of a deity, it wouldn't matter to the OP. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Saipan Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 Are The Itself and Mother Nature deities? Quote
cybercoma Posted August 31, 2011 Report Posted August 31, 2011 Are The Itself and Mother Nature deities? Are they? Quote
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