Saipan Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 But supernatural phenomena ipso facto defy scientific explanation. Always did. "Supernatural" is just a word for all that can't be explained "scientifically". Radio communication would be supernatural not that long ago. Basically, you've set yourself up nicely in a position where you simply can't be proven wrong, even though your position rests upon innumerable contradictions and outright fallacies. Just like the "big bang". I will go to my grave knowing the truth. As they say; 'All dressed up and no place to go' My only real regret is that there's no chance to know the thoughts and see the expressions on the faces of the faithful when they die and realize there's nothing beyond. How do you realize nothing? Btw, you leave your face, like your whole carcass, behind. Quote
WIP Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Always did. "Supernatural" is just a word for all that can't be explained "scientifically". Radio communication would be supernatural not that long ago. Yes, and as soon as you show me the evidence for the supernatural radio frequencies, I'll believe it! Until then...... Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Black Dog Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Always did. "Supernatural" is just a word for all that can't be explained "scientifically". Radio communication would be supernatural not that long ago. facepalm No. Supernatural doesn't just mean something that can't be explained scientifically; it implies something that actually defies or is not subject to natural laws. Like, you know, God. Just like the "big bang". or not. Quote
scouterjim Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Ever see "The Museum of Creation"? Dinosaurs with saddles on them! A picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur! These people really want to be taken seriously? Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
bloodyminded Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Ever see "The Museum of Creation"? Dinosaurs with saddles on them! A picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur! These people really want to be taken seriously? I've heard about this. It can't be caricatured. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Black Dog Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Ever see "The Museum of Creation"? Dinosaurs with saddles on them! A picture of Jesus riding a dinosaur! These people really want to be taken seriously? Finally a chance to post this link. Here’s how to understand the Creation Museum:Imagine, if you will, a load of horseshit. And we’re not talking just your average load of horseshit; no, we’re talking colossal load of horsehit. An epic load of horseshit. The kind of load of horseshit that has accreted over decades and has developed its own sort of ecosystem, from the flyblown chunks at the perimeter, down into the heated and decomposing center, generating explosive levels of methane as bacteria feast merrily on vintage, liquified crap. This is a Herculean load of horseshit, friends, the likes of which has not been seen since the days of Augeas. And you look at it and you say, “Wow, what a load of horseshit.” But then there’s this guy. And this guy loves this load of horseshit. Why? Well, really, who knows? What possesses someone to love a load of horseshit? It’s beyond your understanding and possibly you don’t actually want to know, even if you could know; maybe it’s one of those “on that path lies madness” things. But love it he does, and he’s not the only one; the admiration for this particular load of horseshit exists, unaccountably, far and wide. There are advocates for this load of horseshit. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 A moronic idiot pseudo-scientist (Of course, who else - Dawkins)You're a joke, betsy.Richard Dawkins is anything but a moronic idiot pseudo-scientist. I can understand that without an education yourself, you would not understand his credentials. Dawkins is a zoology society of London silver medal winner, a Farraday Prize winner, and a Kistler Prize winner. He studied zoology under Nobel-prize winning animal behaviour scientist Nikolaas Tinbergen at Oxford. After getting is D.Phil in Oxford, he was an assistant professor for a few years at the University of California, Berkley, to this day one of the top schools in the United States and the world, before returning to Oxford as a professor and lecturer. He has been the editor of numerous scientific journals and the editorial advisor for the Encyclopedia of Evolution. Richard Dawkins is the one that coined the term "meme" and proposed a gene-centered view of evolution. Not that you would know why that's important, since you have absolutely zero understanding of evolution nor are you willing to even educate yourself on the topic you're so vehemently opposed to. It's pretty clear there's moronic idiocy afoot, but it ain't coming from Dawkins. Quote
Saipan Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Yes, and as soon as you show me the evidence for the supernatural radio frequencies, I'll believe it! Until then...... What makes you think they (or anything else) is supernatural? Quote
cybercoma Posted May 18, 2011 Report Posted May 18, 2011 Super meaning outside of and natural referring to nature. Thus, supernatural means something that exists outside of the natural universe. Quote
betsy Posted May 18, 2011 Author Report Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) I will go to my grave knowing the truth. My only real regret is that there's no chance to know the thoughts and see the expressions on the faces of the faithful when they die and realize there's nothing beyond. Oh boy, with all that big and loooong, winding talk you finish by blowing yourself up! If there is nothing beyond, how can the faithful think, or come to realize anything at all???? Actually you agree with the Bible! For non-believers (such as yourself), dead is dead! So, yeah....you won't see the big party after! You won't know the thoughts or see the expressions on the faces of the faithful! Edited May 18, 2011 by betsy Quote
scouterjim Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 Oh boy, with all that big and loooong, winding talk you finish by blowing yourself up! If there is nothing beyond, how can the faithful think, or come to realize anything at all???? Actually you agree with the Bible! For non-believers (such as yourself), dead is dead! So, yeah....you won't see the big party after! You won't know the thoughts or see the expressions on the faces of the faithful! Your right. When you are dead, you are dead. There are no wings, harps or clouds to sit on. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
dre Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 You're a joke, betsy. Richard Dawkins is anything but a moronic idiot pseudo-scientist. I can understand that without an education yourself, you would not understand his credentials. Dawkins is a zoology society of London silver medal winner, a Farraday Prize winner, and a Kistler Prize winner. He studied zoology under Nobel-prize winning animal behaviour scientist Nikolaas Tinbergen at Oxford. After getting is D.Phil in Oxford, he was an assistant professor for a few years at the University of California, Berkley, to this day one of the top schools in the United States and the world, before returning to Oxford as a professor and lecturer. He has been the editor of numerous scientific journals and the editorial advisor for the Encyclopedia of Evolution. Richard Dawkins is the one that coined the term "meme" and proposed a gene-centered view of evolution. Not that you would know why that's important, since you have absolutely zero understanding of evolution nor are you willing to even educate yourself on the topic you're so vehemently opposed to. It's pretty clear there's moronic idiocy afoot, but it ain't coming from Dawkins. Betsy is just reading a script. Shes angry at people like Dawson for the same reason that the church put Galileo under house arrest for life for suggesting that the universe didnt revolve around the earth. This is a very natural response for a follower, and the church has deen demonizing rational thinkers and scientists for many hundreds of years. What choice do they have? The church is having a hard time recruiting members in modern countries where people are educated, and its getting worse. Are they angry and on the defensive? You bet they are. Betsy really is just a modern day version of the people that went after Galileo. They refused to even LOOK through his telescope because they feared they would be posessed by demons. Betsy does the exact same thing with evolution... she condemns it while refusing to even learn a thing about it. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 Creationists would have us believe that Adam and Eve rode around on their friendly pet Mammoth, while the coelacanth lived in peaceful harmony with its future predators and prey, until Satan f'cked it all up. (By fooling Woman, of course.) As you say, this is just as reasonable as evolutionary theory, and is "probably" just as "right." Creationists would have us believe that Adam and Eve rode around on their friendly pet Mammoth, while the coelacanth lived in peaceful harmony with its future predators and prey, until Satan f'cked it all up. (By fooling Woman, of course.) Actually its even worse than that, because it wasnt satan that fooled Eve it was god himself. Hes the one that made the talking snake, not Satan. What a weasely sadistic little piece of shit god is! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bonam Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 Actually its even worse than that, because it wasnt satan that fooled Eve it was god himself. Hes the one that made the talking snake, not Satan. What a weasely sadistic little piece of shit god is! Dude, he needed to make an excuse for himself to kick people out of that fancy garden. You know the property tax on that thing, and the cost to keep all the grass properly mowed? It's not cheap. I wouldn't want some squatter and a rib-woman hanging out in my garden either. If it took a talking snake to get em out, I'm sure some genetic engineering could be arranged... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 Dude, he needed to make an excuse for himself to kick people out of that fancy garden. You know the property tax on that thing, and the cost to keep all the grass properly mowed? It's not cheap. I wouldn't want some squatter and a rib-woman hanging out in my garden either. If it took a talking snake to get em out, I'm sure some genetic engineering could be arranged... :lol: Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) A lot of hot air from the Evolution Flag-bearers Committee! Re-hashing the same-old same-old....thrashing about like their baffled evolution scientists who refuse to venture out of their dark and teeny-weeny box, breathing the the same old musty air! There's whole vast space out of that box, guys....fresh air! C'mon out. Nothing to be afraid of. Open your mind! Redundant, regurgitated silly flimsy, uncoordinated, irrational arguments require standard responses: FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity. FACT: The earth is round. FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars. FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks FACT: Noahs Ark and Ship Building FACT: Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists! FACT: A finished creation. FACT: The universe is deteriorating FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning FACT:: Existence of ocean currents FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED! PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! Address these issues. Edited May 19, 2011 by betsy Quote
scouterjim Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 A lot of hot air from the Evolution Flag-bearers Committee! Re-hashing the same-old same-old....thrashing about like their baffled evolution scientists who refuse to venture out of their dark and teeny-weeny box, breathing the the same old musty air! There's whole vast space out of that box, guys....fresh air! C'mon out. Nothing to be afraid of. Open your mind! Redundant, regurgitated silly flimsy, uncoordinated, irrational arguments require standard responses: FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity. FACT: The earth is round. FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars. FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!” FACT: A finished creation. FACT: The universe is deteriorating FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning FACT:: Existence of ocean currents FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!” PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! Address these issues. FACT: There is no proof whatsoever that Biblical stories are anything more than just stories. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
WIP Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 What makes you think they (or anything else) is supernatural? It's your theory, not mine! You're the one who proposed that there are things presently identified as supernatural, which are really natural phenomena just outside of our capabilities to detect...using radio waves as the analogy, as something undetected before the modern era. The alternative explanation is that the supernatural phenomena doesn't exist, and without direct or indirect evidence, is just in the minds of it's adherents. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 FACT: There is no proof whatsoever that Biblical stories are anything more than just stories. For some people, displaying FACT in bold, large type, makes it more believable. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Saipan Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 Your right. When you are dead, you are dead. There are no wings, harps or clouds to sit on. When 'you' are dead your body is dead. http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson Quote
Saipan Posted May 19, 2011 Report Posted May 19, 2011 FACT: There is no proof whatsoever that Biblical stories are anything more than just stories. There's no proof either way. Or for that matter anything you don't want to believe. Quote
betsy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) For some people, displaying FACT in bold, large type, makes it more believable. DISPLAYING FACT in bold, large type is: DISPLAYING WITH THE UTMOST... .... CONFIDENCE! Edited May 20, 2011 by betsy Quote
Saipan Posted May 20, 2011 Report Posted May 20, 2011 It's your theory, not mine! You're the one who proposed that there are things presently identified as supernatural, which are really natural phenomena just outside of our capabilities to detect...using radio waves as the analogy, as something undetected before the modern era. Therefore not supernatural in reality, just some people's belief. The alternative explanation is that the supernatural phenomena doesn't exist, and without direct or indirect evidence, is just in the minds of it's adherents. Same thing. Quote
Black Dog Posted May 20, 2011 Report Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) A lot of hot air from the Evolution Flag-bearers Committee! Re-hashing the same-old same-old....thrashing about like their baffled evolution scientists who refuse to venture out of their dark and teeny-weeny box, breathing the the same old musty air! There's whole vast space out of that box, guys....fresh air! C'mon out. Nothing to be afraid of. Open your mind! Redundant, regurgitated silly flimsy, uncoordinated, irrational arguments require standard responses: FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity. FACT: The earth is round. FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars. FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!” FACT: A finished creation. FACT: The universe is deteriorating FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning FACT:: Existence of ocean currents FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!” PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! Address these issues. What. The. Fuck. This is "I AM A GOD WARRIOR!!!!" stuff right here. Edited May 20, 2011 by Black Dog Quote
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