Topaz Posted January 23, 2011 Report Posted January 23, 2011 I think this project he set for himself will be a diffcult one, but he may surprise himself and us. Most the products we have here in Canada are foreign and most coming from China. I would say he had a better chance at this back in the 50's and 60's but now, it will be harder to do. Thoughts? http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110121/man-only-using-canadian-products-110123/ Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 23, 2011 Report Posted January 23, 2011 Most the products we have here in Canada are foreign and most coming from China. Cite please Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dre Posted January 23, 2011 Report Posted January 23, 2011 I think this project he set for himself will be a diffcult one, but he may surprise himself and us. Most the products we have here in Canada are foreign and most coming from China. I would say he had a better chance at this back in the 50's and 60's but now, it will be harder to do. Thoughts? http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110121/man-only-using-canadian-products-110123/ It will be extremely hard, and we will basically have to live like Canadians did in the late 1800's. For example... he wont be able to own a TV set, because you just arent going to find a single one in the world where all the components are made in Canada. He also wont be able to own a computer, or a telephone, or a radio. And he wont be able to drive an automobile either because while there ARE vehicles assembled in Canada they are packed full of foreign made parts. He will also pay WAY more for things like shoes and textiles. If he gets sick... then doctors will have to treat him without using modern medical technology because modern medical devices are also packed full of foreign hardware and software. It IS possible however... He can constuct an adequate shelter using canadian materials, and he can raise livestock, and grow food using an oxen driven plough and so on. And he can buy some local food and produce provided he researches the grower to make sure they dont use any machines, fertilizers, or pesticides with imported components. His biggest problem will probably be obtaining and categorizing information. If often very hard to tell if a product contains imported materials, chemicals, or components. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
wyly Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 (edited) I think this project he set for himself will be a diffcult one, but he may surprise himself and us. Most the products we have here in Canada are foreign and most coming from China. I would say he had a better chance at this back in the 50's and 60's but now, it will be harder to do. Thoughts? http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110121/man-only-using-canadian-products-110123/ unless he's going to live in a log cabin out in the bush, kill and grow his own food, make his own clothes he has little chance of succeeding...but good luck to him regardless... Edited January 24, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Shwa Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Did anyone actually read the article before they responded? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Did anyone actually read the article before they responded? I read it... I think they described 'stunt journalism' at the bottom, which is what this is... a publicity stunt that fits nicely in at the end of a day's newscast. What is the point, though ? "I like the idea because it's kind of a trick to make myself think about everything I consume," Okay. Maybe the point is to try to improve consumer information, which would be a good thing. As dre points out, it won't be easy to find out where, for example, the bottle that contains the cleaning fluid he is using was made, where the chemicals came from... It would probably be a full time job. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Cite please Do you really need a cite? I mean it's not obvious to you? Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Do you really need a cite? I mean it's not obvious to you? And you think, as does topaz that most of our products comes from china? I tell you, urban myths are one thing...but... The US makes up 51% of our imports...China? less than 11%. So do you still think most of our products come from China? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 And you think, as does topaz that most of our products comes from china? I tell you, urban myths are one thing...but... The US makes up 51% of our imports...China? less than 11%. So do you still think most of our products come from China? I think there are more products from China that people realize. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 I think there are more products from China that people realize. But you just illustrated the exact opposite. I think most, like you, overstate the importance of China. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 But you just illustrated the exact opposite. I think most, like you, overstate the importance of China. Urban myths endure contrary to facts... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 But you just illustrated the exact opposite. I think most, like you, overstate the importance of China. I think you are underestimating the importance of China. IF manufacturers did not think they were not important, you would have have so many foreign companies basing their international headquarters in China. Living solely on Canadian products will be a challenge indeed. But maybe a break down of sectors is needed here. Chinese products are in many food items, but not the majority, but then again, I have no idea where many of the ingredients come from, and neither do you. I can make a product here in Canada that has nothing but foreign components/ingredients. The assembly takes place in Canada, giving it a Product of Canada sticker, when the ingredients are not made here, which makes it not a product of Canada. This Electronics manufacturing is dominated by Chinese made products. Most of the technology you use is made in China. The auto industry is different obviously. Cars are assembled in Canada, but are rarely sold to the Canadian market from what I understand. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Most of the technology you use is made in China. Intel has plants in the USA, Ireland, Israel, Malayasia, Costa Rica, The Phillipine and China. Why do you think, :most" is made in China? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Shwa Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 I read it... I think they described 'stunt journalism' at the bottom, which is what this is... a publicity stunt that fits nicely in at the end of a day's newscast. What is the point, though ? Okay. Maybe the point is to try to improve consumer information, which would be a good thing. As dre points out, it won't be easy to find out where, for example, the bottle that contains the cleaning fluid he is using was made, where the chemicals came from... It would probably be a full time job. I think the full-time-job-ness of it is what is keeping his wife spiritually supporting but materially more practical. The idea is that the guy is going to do it in cumulative increments, with each increment period examining one facet of material consumption. He doesn't need to go live in the bush or eat solely country food to do this. Actually, being 'stunt journalism' I think it is a very interesting experience, even if the cleaning fluid comes from the US, or the atoms in said fluid are generated from some resource we have in Saskatchewan... Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 I think it is a very interesting experience, even if the cleaning fluid comes from the US, or the atoms in said fluid are generated from some resource we have in Saskatchewan... I find the labels on atoms very hard to read. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Intel has plants in the USA, Ireland, Israel, Malayasia, Costa Rica, The Phillipine and China. Why do you think, :most" is made in China? You think the CPU is the only component of a computer? Quote
Shwa Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 I find the labels on atoms very hard to read. Ah, there's always an 'out' when you want it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 You think the CPU is the only component of a computer? Do you think 11% is most? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Do you think 11% is most? Take a look inside your computer and let me know. Let me know what is made where. Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Take a look inside your computer and let me know. Let me know what is made where. And that would prove that parts of my computer is made in malaya, part in Singapore, part in the USA....and so on... How will that prove yours and Topaz contention that most of our products are Chinese....when China only makes up 11% of our imports? That's a fact that you are having trouble with.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 And that would prove that parts of my computer is made in malaya, part in Singapore, part in the USA....and so on... How will that prove yours and Topaz contention that most of our products are Chinese....when China only makes up 11% of our imports? That's a fact that you are having trouble with.... Only 11%? Cite? Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Only 11%? Cite? Less than 11%... Imports - partners: US 51.1%, China 10.88%, Mexico 4.56% (2009) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ca.html Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 Less than 11%... https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ca.html by .12%... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
TimG Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 The 'made-in' label on most electronics is a meaningless measure: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704828104576021142902413796.html Based on U.S. sales of 11.3 million iPhones in 2009, the researchers estimate Chinese iPhone exports at $2.02 billion. After deducting $121.5 million in Chinese imports for parts produced by U.S. firms such as chip maker Broadcom Corp., they arrive at the figure of the $1.9 billion Chinese trade surplus—and U.S. trade deficit—in iPhones.If China was credited with producing only its portion of the value of an iPhone, its exports to the U.S. for the same amount of iPhones would be a U.S. trade surplus of $48.1 million, after accounting for the parts U.S. firms contribute. Quote
GostHacked Posted January 24, 2011 Report Posted January 24, 2011 The 'made-in' label on most electronics is a meaningless measure: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704828104576021142902413796.html That label is meaningless on a good deal of products, like the food situation I brought up before. Sure it might not all be Chinese, but the fact is not many know where the products and materials for these products come from. Can you be 100% sure in a label that says Product of Canada? Quote
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